FoeDiddy wrote:

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MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Fact: Since Carmelo's return, Lin has broken 20 points 1 time. Before Carmelo, Lin broke 20 points 8 times.

The chemistry has been crimped, no one can deny this. We were 8-1 without Carmelo and are now 2-3 with Carmelo.

He's a talented player but his presence is too heavy. Lin has been thrown out of the socket like an ugly woman.

I'm not bashing, this isn't bashing, but I'm recognizing a trend here. Believe me, it PAINS me to have to type these words, but someone has to take a stand. For the fans, for you and me, FOR THIS TEAM!

What was the level of competition within those records? How has the team looked in the 5 games since Melo got back..especially the last couple games? Can't just throw out records with no context.

Context?

Context: On the way to 8-1 we beat the LAKERS, MAVS, and JAZZ!

Context: On the way to 2-3, we beat a disinterested Hawks team and a Cavs team that PULLED AHEAD BY 17 ON US! And LOST TO THE NETS, LOST TO THE HEAT (I'll give you that), and now THE OLD, UGLY, CRIPPLED CELTICS.

Context.

Old doesn't mean Bad. this is a quality team. How many contested shots did Pierce & Garnett hit with hands right in their mugs. We did not lose this game because of chemistry between Melo and Lin. Pierce hit a tough 3 pointer.

Nets game we lost cause Deron Williams went bonkers. Was Melo playing defense on him??

I call this ENABLING behavior.

We want so desperately to believe Melo is a Superstar that, no matter what happens, it's something else, it's never his presence CRIMPING the squad.

I'm taking a stand, FoeDiddy, I'm taking a stand for you, for mrKnickShot, for earl, for SupremeCommander, for TMS, for CHAOS, for Kam77, for ALL THE GOOD PEOPLE OF ULTIMATEKNICKS, I'm taking a STAND by LETTING YOU KNOW, LIKE PAUL REVERE, THAT THIS WILL NEVER WORK, THAT IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL DISRUPTION IN TEAM CHEMISTRY that is causing this MELTDOWN.

So was Melo playing defense on Deron when he went bonkers. you avoiding the question lol

If we won it would have been because of Melo's and Lin's late game heroics.

On the Real, FoeDiddy:

I see what you're saying, but I'm trying to look at the big picture instead of the details. Yea, we can discuss the specific situations, the plays, and all that jazz music, but the bigger picture, to MY mind, is that Melo's return has disrupted the fragile balance the team had on that 8-1 streak.

You feel this disruption. The team feels it, absolutely. As a fan, doesn't it feel like the focus is more on Melo now than the Team?

When they were on the Lin Streak, going 8-1, we would watch the game and think "I like this TEAM", now we watch the games and we CAN'T HELP but focus on Melo, how MELO IS DOING with the team. No one can deny this, this is actually going on. In the same way we feel it, the team surely feels it.

It's a different team since the return.

I actually love the team and love the energy and dynamics of both units. this Team wins and loses together. But the brand of basketball has been great in my opinion. That was a fun game to watch. At the end of the day we want our team to win but we want to be entertained too. This team is entertaining and I'm loving rooting for them again. much better then early in the season.

Time will tell FoeDiddy, but please don't forget that I tried to warn you!

Good back and forth, much respect.

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nixluva wrote:Lin had a bad game and overall the team seemed a bit off. Not much but just enough to mess up what should've been a win. I'm not really that worried tho, cuz I know this team can play better. This is only one game. The Knicks still have a ton of work to do and it's games like this that make it clear. We still aren't "smooth" on offense and we have defensive lapses.

Lin still has trouble against good defensive teams that take away the PnR and penetration. The C's play a sort of zone where they clog the paint area but can still close out on shooters. They basically play half way between the 3pt line and the paint.

Lin should have attacked a bit more and attempt to finish moves so they couldn't do that. When he watches tape he will adjust. when he penetrated also he had open shooters behind him. Davis did a good job and being more creative with his passes. Vanilla passes are not gonna work against a veteran team like Celtics.

well davis did have 7 turnovers lol

When Lin and Davis both had 6 turnovers at one point with same amount of minutes Davis had 7 assist and Lin had 2. While both good PGs...Davis is way more difficult to contain and read.

well the lakers dallas and pretty much every other team besides the heat had trouble containing lin lol. The celtics didn't really contain lin he just missed some shots and some of his passes were off. im not giving him a pass but it had little to do with boston

that's a disrespect to Boston. Boston definitely watched film. How man passes of Lin got intercepted that are usually clean looks for Novak?

Lakers and Dallas are not as quick as Miami or Boston on the perimeter and in rotations. those two teams might be the quickest and smartest rotating teams in the league. very disciplined. Lin will get better especially getting some pointers from Davis on how to make defenders commit so your passes are easier.

You a Boston fan? lol

Nope I Hate Boston but have to recognize what's in front of you when u actually watch the game with no bias. Boston forced Lin to go Left which he doesn't prefer then surrounded him with height and gave him very poor passing lanes.

im not bias i play basketball every day. I wasn't insulting you i was just asking if you are a boston fan thats all no need to be nasty

I actually wasn't trying to be nasty. was talking matter of fact. So asking a diehard Knicks fan if their are a boston fan isn't nasty lol. Might as well slap my momma.

well i didn't know if you were a knick fan or not so thats kind of why i asked but i forgive you man. anyway i never said boston was a bad efensive team but they are not as good as they were. Miami completly shut lin down but lin still got to tye basket some of his balls just rolled out and some passes just couldn't be handled. Im not saying he played well because i said many times he didn't but it had little to do with boston and more to do with us I mean we were torching boston and thenwe let them back in

LOL you must think I'm a dumbass. you didn't ask that question genuinely. I've been on this board long enough. It's all good though. didn't take it seriously. His shots were rolling off because once again boston forced him left which he is left effective in doing..especially over height meeting him at the rim. When we were torching Celtics in first half it wasn't the doing of Lin. remember he was in foul trouble. It was mostly Baron Davis on the floor during the runs.

I'm not worried. Team will be fine. tough loss but I like what I see.

The slow 3rd qtr bug also bit us again. This team has to get the starters to play with much more energy cuz they seem to play slow and it allows teams to go off in the 3rd qtr of games. MDA has to find a way to fix these issues. I blame MDA for this loss more than the players.

Shump did good on him. Don't want to foul him and he is good at attracting.

Melo played a great game, and I thought Stat was very good in stretches.

We lost cuz Shump had a tech? Who knows. It adds up.

Y'all can bitch but Rondo played an insane game.

FoeDiddy wrote:@JCrusher It's all good conversation. Boston is #2 in points allowed. They are still a great defensive team. I do agree we lost this game..Boston didn't beat us. Lots of mental errors on the players and coaches.

Which leads me to the following:

a) Amare is not the PF that causes fear for other teams, unlike last season. And to everyone who says its the weight, watch Amare. He's clumsier and weaker going up. D'Antoni has to accept that and redesign the offense or his starting 5.

b) We need either Smith or Novak in the game at any one time to extend the defense.

c) Iso is OK in the right circumstances. (Did you see Pierce's isos where he backed down his defenders or took them one on one.) But it must be an iso in the right situation. So get Melo the ball at the right time; failure to do this is on D'Antoni because it's play design.

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colombian0725 wrote:I have no idea what's wrong with this team? Why can't we beat the old ass celtics ? they are not a good team! Amare is useless. 100 million for what? He can't hit a open shot and can't rebound or defend. We need to get Chandler someone to help him defend the paint. PF is our biggest weakness. Sick of this switching !!!! wtf? our switching is killing us.

So this was Amare's Fault?? 16 pts...13 rebounds. You don't think it had anything to do with a subpar game from Lin and some questionable coaching decisions?

I think they definitely should have fouled especially cause Celtics had no timeouts..as soon as Garnett caught that pass there should have been a foul.

Amare played ok but he kills the offense. Defense???? He should stay down on the offensive side always.

Lin would look much better with JJ.

I agree. Shoulda fouled but MDA is way too stubborn for that.

You trust JJ on offense more than Amare when Celtics turned their defense up??

I think you'd have to trust Charles Smith if he were to come out of retirement more than Amare.

Just a plain ridiculous comment. Amare went 7 for 16 and hit some big shots this game. Garnett went 8 for 22. We did not lose this game because of Amare. He played a good game. He contested shots all game. No his defense wasn't perfect but everyone had their lapses.

Wasn't perfect? His defense was non existent. We are down 5 late in the fourth he is under the basket and watches Pierce fly in for a dunk doesn't even put his effing hands up. Garnett isn't supposed to be an elite finisher and he defended enough shots to impact the game positively. For every point Amare makes he gives up 3. It's becoming unbearable to watch him out there.

Very careless passing from both PGs today. Lin was forcing everything but had a preety good Q4, second unit can't win every game for us. Our offense just dies when we go into the no-flow half court iso mode.

Didn't understand the long stretch in Q4 with Amare at 5, and Tyson on bench when we were only down 5-7, and needed stops.

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loweyecue wrote:Didn't understand the long stretch in Q4 with Amare at 5, and Tyson on bench when we were only down 5-7, and needed stops.

Because we were down 5-7 and needed offense? Tyson was bobbling ball when in position for wide open layups. Wrist not good.

Add to that it worked. We came back and were in position to win.

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loweyecue wrote:Didn't understand the long stretch in Q4 with Amare at 5, and Tyson on bench when we were only down 5-7, and needed stops.

Because we were down 5-7 and needed offense? Tyson was bobbling ball when in position for wide open layups. Wrist not good.

True about Tuson bobbling. But we had enough offense on the floor with Melo, Lin, Novak etc. or if he chose he could have put in JJ instead of Novak. We were trading baskets for most part. Don't think we got stops they missed a couple and we were able to rebound.

The BOTTOM line--we did NOT pick up full court on Boston's last possession with 18 seconds to go. We let Rondo roll the court PASSED the half-court line --saving 4 seconds and subsequently DID NOT FOUL with less than 12 seconds to go---ALLOWING the Celtics to get a fine look and executing. They had 0000000 NONE NO NADA TO's if we foul with 10 seconds and trade points--pick up full court there is only a miniscule chance for them to do ANYTHINg--instead of a 40% chance at the shot they took!!!!! Terrible I was in shock MDA owes me my ticket costs back!!!!!!!!