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04/19/11 @ 7:00PM GAME THREAD: Knicks VS Boston game 2, what are we going to do ?
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crzymdups
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4/20/2011  12:03 AM
Melo played out of his mind. That was one of the best Knicks playoffs performances I have ever seen.

Unfortunately, he was completely alone out there.

Jeffries actually played well. Melo made the right basketball play to get him the ball... but with the context of the moment, it felt all wrong. Jeffries played a hell of a game - his defense on Rondo is amazing and he needed to get help on that last KG bucket and he grabbed a bunch of offensive rebounds... but he should never be in the position to take that shot. Then again he made that layup the play before.

Weird game. I can't really fault D'Antoni - he and Melo kept the team in it until the painful end again. Playing without 2 of their top 3 players.

One thing I'll say - are you seriously telling me we couldn't have used Corey Brewer tonight? Seriously?

Otherwise, I think the team did an admirable job. I hope STAT can play at the Garden. I hope Melo and Amar'e can both score 30 in game 3 and game 4 and we go back to Boston tied at 2.

Go Knicks.

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4/20/2011  12:07 AM
After this game, can we all agree that there's no way that New York should even think about picking up Chauncey Billups option? We're only two games in, but the guy's clearly not getting it done and hasn't been very healthy since he's got here. I feel like there's much better things NY can do with the 14 million bucks.
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4/20/2011  12:09 AM
Was Fields so bad that he needed to be completely benched for the 0-11 mess Bill Walker?
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4/20/2011  12:19 AM
JamaicanJetFan wrote:Was Fields so bad that he needed to be completely benched for the 0-11 mess Bill Walker?

Fields just seems shook.

It's making me really lament waiving Corey Brewer. We need Derrick Brown more than Corey Brewer right now? Really?

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4/20/2011  12:25 AM
crzymdups wrote:
JamaicanJetFan wrote:Was Fields so bad that he needed to be completely benched for the 0-11 mess Bill Walker?

Fields just seems shook.

It's making me really lament waiving Corey Brewer. We need Derrick Brown more than Corey Brewer right now? Really?


It's a tough call, cuz there's no way Donnie was gonna commit to the guy and he and his agent knew they had a deal. Donnie doesn't burn bridges over a marginal player. It's not about this season. Let's keep that in perspective. We have to manage the cap for the next season and make the key upgrades to make this a better team.
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4/20/2011  12:27 AM
crzymdups wrote:
JamaicanJetFan wrote:Was Fields so bad that he needed to be completely benched for the 0-11 mess Bill Walker?

Fields just seems shook.

It's making me really lament waiving Corey Brewer. We need Derrick Brown more than Corey Brewer right now? Really?

wow him again? Unless he can play PG or C, not worth it.

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4/20/2011  12:28 AM
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JamaicanJetFan wrote:Was Fields so bad that he needed to be completely benched for the 0-11 mess Bill Walker?

Fields just seems shook.

It's making me really lament waiving Corey Brewer. We need Derrick Brown more than Corey Brewer right now? Really?


It's a tough call, cuz there's no way Donnie was gonna commit to the guy and he and his agent knew they had a deal. Donnie doesn't burn bridges over a marginal player. It's not about this season. Let's keep that in perspective. We have to manage the cap for the next season and make the key upgrades to make this a better team.

yeah, i agree that they need to upgrade in the off-season.

BUT, would it really be burning bridges if Corey Brewer was getting big minutes in a playoffs game? Bill Walker played 33 minutes tonight. Anthony Carter played 8min. Roger Mason played 18min. Corey Brewer could have been useful for some of that.

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4/20/2011  12:30 AM
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JamaicanJetFan wrote:Was Fields so bad that he needed to be completely benched for the 0-11 mess Bill Walker?

Fields just seems shook.

It's making me really lament waiving Corey Brewer. We need Derrick Brown more than Corey Brewer right now? Really?

wow him again? Unless he can play PG or C, not worth it.

he'd be nice to have chasing Ray Allen around on the perimeter (4-4 from 3 tonight, won game 1). he's a LOCK DOWN perimeter defender. i'm convinced of this.

corey brewer is a blue chip lotto talent. we waived him. people are talking about how tonight was melo and a bunch of d-league guys and rightly so. brewer deserved a LONG look here.

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4/20/2011  12:31 AM
you gotta be kidding me. you know, part of me felt silly with all my optimistic talk. i felt like i was just trying to hype myself up for the series and have some fun. now, i feel like "oh my god. they are actually ****ing good." i honestly cannot believe the metamorphosis on defense. hope to win the series is pretty dim. hope for next season is much brighter. we need to win 4 out of 5. not probable. not likely. still possible. let's go knicks!!
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4/20/2011  12:34 AM
eViL wrote:you gotta be kidding me. you know, part of me felt silly with all my optimistic talk. i felt like i was just trying to hype myself up for the series and have some fun. now, i feel like "oh my god. they are actually ****ing good." i honestly cannot believe the metamorphosis on defense. hope to win the series is pretty dim. hope for next season is much brighter. we need to win 4 out of 5. not probable. not likely. still possible. let's go knicks!!

I didn't think the Red Sox could come back against the Yankees down 3-0, but they did. Nothing's impossible and i'm with this team until they're eliminated. It stinks that we couldn't play at full strength in either game. Not sure we can expect that to happen the rest of the way either, but I'm praying that STAT can play, cuz we have to have him in order to win.
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4/20/2011  12:35 AM
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JamaicanJetFan wrote:Was Fields so bad that he needed to be completely benched for the 0-11 mess Bill Walker?

Fields just seems shook.

It's making me really lament waiving Corey Brewer. We need Derrick Brown more than Corey Brewer right now? Really?

wow him again? Unless he can play PG or C, not worth it.

he'd be nice to have chasing Ray Allen around on the perimeter (4-4 from 3 tonight, won game 1). he's a LOCK DOWN perimeter defender. i'm convinced of this.

corey brewer is a blue chip lotto talent. we waived him. people are talking about how tonight was melo and a bunch of d-league guys and rightly so. brewer deserved a LONG look here.

this has been beaten to death, and what nixluva suggests above is sound long term reasoning. Management sees a lot of good things in Fields long term, and he is cheap; a $5M price tag for a bench player is not the way to spend salary cap money nor develop players (by taking away Fields minutes) on a team like the Knicks. Knicks need bigs, not wings who play the same position as TD, Melo, Shawne Williams, Fields.

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4/20/2011  12:42 AM
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JamaicanJetFan wrote:Was Fields so bad that he needed to be completely benched for the 0-11 mess Bill Walker?

Fields just seems shook.

It's making me really lament waiving Corey Brewer. We need Derrick Brown more than Corey Brewer right now? Really?

wow him again? Unless he can play PG or C, not worth it.

he'd be nice to have chasing Ray Allen around on the perimeter (4-4 from 3 tonight, won game 1). he's a LOCK DOWN perimeter defender. i'm convinced of this.

corey brewer is a blue chip lotto talent. we waived him. people are talking about how tonight was melo and a bunch of d-league guys and rightly so. brewer deserved a LONG look here.

this has been beaten to death, and what nixluva suggests above is sound long term reasoning. Management sees a lot of good things in Fields long term, and he is cheap; a $5M price tag for a bench player is not the way to spend salary cap money nor develop players (by taking away Fields minutes) on a team like the Knicks. Knicks need bigs, not wings who play the same position as TD, Melo, Shawne Williams, Fields.

i disagree. brewer brings vastly different things than shawne williams or fields or toney. fields and shawne williams have been practically non-factors in this series.

you keep brewer for this season and don't pick up his option. you can trade him in the summer or just let him go, but he'd be valuable depth right now.

i won't beat the dead horse anymore - but the knicks have very few healthy bodies who deserve to be in an nba playoffs game and brewer would help.
there is no debating that.

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4/20/2011  1:52 AM
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JamaicanJetFan wrote:Was Fields so bad that he needed to be completely benched for the 0-11 mess Bill Walker?

Fields just seems shook.

It's making me really lament waiving Corey Brewer. We need Derrick Brown more than Corey Brewer right now? Really?

wow him again? Unless he can play PG or C, not worth it.

he'd be nice to have chasing Ray Allen around on the perimeter (4-4 from 3 tonight, won game 1). he's a LOCK DOWN perimeter defender. i'm convinced of this.

corey brewer is a blue chip lotto talent. we waived him. people are talking about how tonight was melo and a bunch of d-league guys and rightly so. brewer deserved a LONG look here.

this has been beaten to death, and what nixluva suggests above is sound long term reasoning. Management sees a lot of good things in Fields long term, and he is cheap; a $5M price tag for a bench player is not the way to spend salary cap money nor develop players (by taking away Fields minutes) on a team like the Knicks. Knicks need bigs, not wings who play the same position as TD, Melo, Shawne Williams, Fields.

i disagree. brewer brings vastly different things than shawne williams or fields or toney. fields and shawne williams have been practically non-factors in this series.

you keep brewer for this season and don't pick up his option. you can trade him in the summer or just let him go, but he'd be valuable depth right now.

i won't beat the dead horse anymore - but the knicks have very few healthy bodies who deserve to be in an nba playoffs game and brewer would help.
there is no debating that.

based on what? dude has prove zero. On a bad Minny team. His playoff experience consists of 4 minutes, 2 fouls and 1 rebound.

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4/20/2011  7:03 AM
VDesai wrote:TD is getting ripped, but that was a tough game for him. He had one player to get the ball to and he was being heavily denied the ball and triple teamed- and he is being killed for not orchestrating. I thought he did ok. He had some shots rim out- he's not always gonna have his shots fall. But he played hard and hit the boards and grabbed a lot of key rebounds. What was horrendous about his game tonight is how he played defense in foul trouble. But he doesn't have a ton of experience doing that and he did it dreadfully tonight. But ultimately I think its a game he'll learn from. I'm surprised at how much he is criticized on this board. In my eyes he's come a long way and he has stepped up and driven the team to victory in a lot of games this year.

Here here..he did a fair job in the second half as well. Kind of difficult to just stop Rondo on penetration without fouling when he comes at you with a full head of steam. He got some huge rebounds in that last few minutes as well. No not a good game...but something to learn from going forward.

There are a bunch on this board that are certain that if Brandon Jennings were at the point we would have 52 wins and a 2-0 lead in this series right now.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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4/20/2011  7:06 AM
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Mray20 wrote:The officiating in this series is horrible! Even though Melo was doing his thing he was hit a few times and no calls, Garnett is dirty he moves on screens constantly and handchecks an holds and gets away with it.

Yeah when Melo hit that big 3 Pierce practically mugged him before the shot. The officiating has been atrocious and really unforgivable. If i'm the Knicks I log a ton of complaints. It's not even just the call on the Knicks, but overall the officials have missed and made bad calls.

The reason Stat has back spasms is it is rather difficult to jump straight up with Jermaine O'Neal hanging on one shoulder all the time.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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4/20/2011  7:31 AM
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JamaicanJetFan wrote:Was Fields so bad that he needed to be completely benched for the 0-11 mess Bill Walker?

Fields just seems shook.

It's making me really lament waiving Corey Brewer. We need Derrick Brown more than Corey Brewer right now? Really?

wow him again? Unless he can play PG or C, not worth it.

he'd be nice to have chasing Ray Allen around on the perimeter (4-4 from 3 tonight, won game 1). he's a LOCK DOWN perimeter defender. i'm convinced of this.

corey brewer is a blue chip lotto talent. we waived him. people are talking about how tonight was melo and a bunch of d-league guys and rightly so. brewer deserved a LONG look here.

this has been beaten to death, and what nixluva suggests above is sound long term reasoning. Management sees a lot of good things in Fields long term, and he is cheap; a $5M price tag for a bench player is not the way to spend salary cap money nor develop players (by taking away Fields minutes) on a team like the Knicks. Knicks need bigs, not wings who play the same position as TD, Melo, Shawne Williams, Fields.

i disagree. brewer brings vastly different things than shawne williams or fields or toney. fields and shawne williams have been practically non-factors in this series.

you keep brewer for this season and don't pick up his option. you can trade him in the summer or just let him go, but he'd be valuable depth right now.

i won't beat the dead horse anymore - but the knicks have very few healthy bodies who deserve to be in an nba playoffs game and brewer would help.
there is no debating that.

based on what? dude has prove zero. On a bad Minny team. His playoff experience consists of 4 minutes, 2 fouls and 1 rebound.

does winning a NCAA title count as proving anything? because he played well at florida. he has excellent bball pedigree. it was a mistake to let him go, which is why boston, san antonio and dallas all contacted him the second he was waived. it was a bad move

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4/20/2011  10:08 AM
crzymdups wrote:does winning a NCAA title count as proving anything? because he played well at florida. he has excellent bball pedigree. it was a mistake to let him go, which is why boston, san antonio and dallas all contacted him the second he was waived. it was a bad move

not for me, not when we are talking about playing in the NBA. If Boston, SA, or any other team really really wanted the kid, they either would have traded for him when he was on the Wolves or done a trade with NY to solidify him being on roster, but they didn't for the same reason NY didn't keep him: $5M price tag next year.

Look, if he was only making $1M, I think he is on team, but he isn't.

Could he maybe have helped a team depleted of wing players? Perhaps. But on a team with Melo, TD, Shawne, Fields, he is not the guy to keep.

Knicks ended up giving that spot to Brown, who is a player of need (a big) at 1/5 the price, how can you fault that logic?

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4/20/2011  10:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/20/2011  11:01 AM
Still can't believe Jeffries was on the floor. The more I think about it the more pissed I get. I've had it with Jeffries, I hope he is gone, and if D'Antoni gives him the same role next season(if he's here) I hope they fire his ass with extreme prejudice.
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4/20/2011  11:35 AM
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:does winning a NCAA title count as proving anything? because he played well at florida. he has excellent bball pedigree. it was a mistake to let him go, which is why boston, san antonio and dallas all contacted him the second he was waived. it was a bad move

not for me, not when we are talking about playing in the NBA. If Boston, SA, or any other team really really wanted the kid, they either would have traded for him when he was on the Wolves or done a trade with NY to solidify him being on roster, but they didn't for the same reason NY didn't keep him: $5M price tag next year.

Look, if he was only making $1M, I think he is on team, but he isn't.

Could he maybe have helped a team depleted of wing players? Perhaps. But on a team with Melo, TD, Shawne, Fields, he is not the guy to keep.

Knicks ended up giving that spot to Brown, who is a player of need (a big) at 1/5 the price, how can you fault that logic?

I dont get the infatuation with Brewer. Is he lighting it up? And where will his minutes come from?

I'm with Martin on this one.

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4/20/2011  12:42 PM

Brewer is like Shandon Anderson. Shandon was a good player, but not at the price we had him for.

Brewer is a good player, not worth tieing up 5 mil next season for.

If we knew every senario before it happens then its great to have players come and go as we do.

BUt this ain't "I dream of Genie" stuff!

Can't just make guys appear and disaappear when we feel like it!

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