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5/27/2011  11:02 AM
Let's go Dirk!!! Just say no to LeDouche.
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5/27/2011  4:56 PM
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5/27/2011  5:27 PM
watching the Bulls made me a little happier about D'Antoni. love hearing all the post-game criticism about how the Bulls' offense couldn't get baskets when it needed it.
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5/27/2011  5:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/27/2011  5:39 PM
Here's another Rosey Doosy...Gallo was lauded over and over this year(somewhat last year) about his TS% and Dirk has been a pretty good player throughout his career in terms of TS% and most certainly has tore it up in this year's playoff in regards to this compiled statistical formula. But Rose was lauded all year about how great he was and some are still making excuses for him after his epic failure in the playoffs..... yet it took him 120FGA to score 117pts in the Miami series and 376FGA overall to score 434pts in this year's playoffs. I went to bbr.com to look up Rose Playoff history Advanced Stats and found that he's been declining since his rookie year. Looking at his TS% and Efg% the two most important stats to measure him by as his offensive usage rate consist of putting up shots and making them(in his case this year missing them)

2008-2009
TS%.527
eFG%.492

2009-2010
TS%.497
eFG.464

2010-2011
TS%.499
eFG.430

So we hear he's only 22 but the trend is showing decline as his organization has improved the roster he's on since coming into the league. Odd! For the record Dirk has a career playoff .587TS% and .497eFG%. In this year's playoffs he had a 64TS% and .546eFG%. I'm not huge on TS% and eFG% as many others I saw bring this stat up as I go by mainly FG% and other areas Of Singularity measures. I just think this is interesting concerning Rose

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Juice wrote:Here's another Rosey Doosy...Gallo was lauded over and over this year(somewhat last year) about his TS% and Dirk has been a pretty good player throughout his career in terms of TS% and most certainly has tore it up in this year's playoff in regards to this compiled statistical formula. But Rose was lauded all year about how great he was and some are still making excuses for him after his epic failure in the playoffs..... yet it took him 120FGA to score 117pts in the Miami series and 376FGA overall to score 434pts in this year's playoffs. I went to bbr.com to look up Rose Playoff history Advanced Stats and found that he's been declining since his rookie year. Looking at his TS% and Efg% the two most important stats to measure him by as his offensive usage rate consist of putting up shots and making them(in his case this year missing them)

2008-2009
TS%.527
eFG%.492

2009-2010
TS%.497
eFG.464

2010-2011
TS%.499
eFG.430

So we hear he's only 22 but the trend is showing decline as his organization has improved the roster he's on since coming into the league. Odd! For the record Dirk has a career playoff .587TS% and .497eFG%. In this year's playoffs he had a 64TS% and .546eFG%. I'm not huge on TS% and eFG% as many others I saw bring this stat up as I go by mainly FG% and other areas Of Singularity measures. I just think this is interesting concerning Rose

you found a couple of stats in 1 area of his game that declined and came to a conclusion?

Completely ignoring that his team had the best record in the league this year? Completely ignoring that his team just went to the EC Finals? Also completely ignoring that Rose was the best player on that team?

Care to take a fuller look at the accomplishments in a broader context?

Why would you compare a guy's shooting stats whose main role is to score against a PG? Why not show the reverse, like Rose's assist numbers versus Dirk's paltry assist numbers?

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5/27/2011  7:01 PM
martin wrote:
Juice wrote:Here's another Rosey Doosy...Gallo was lauded over and over this year(somewhat last year) about his TS% and Dirk has been a pretty good player throughout his career in terms of TS% and most certainly has tore it up in this year's playoff in regards to this compiled statistical formula. But Rose was lauded all year about how great he was and some are still making excuses for him after his epic failure in the playoffs..... yet it took him 120FGA to score 117pts in the Miami series and 376FGA overall to score 434pts in this year's playoffs. I went to bbr.com to look up Rose Playoff history Advanced Stats and found that he's been declining since his rookie year. Looking at his TS% and Efg% the two most important stats to measure him by as his offensive usage rate consist of putting up shots and making them(in his case this year missing them)

2008-2009
TS%.527
eFG%.492

2009-2010
TS%.497
eFG.464

2010-2011
TS%.499
eFG.430

So we hear he's only 22 but the trend is showing decline as his organization has improved the roster he's on since coming into the league. Odd! For the record Dirk has a career playoff .587TS% and .497eFG%. In this year's playoffs he had a 64TS% and .546eFG%. I'm not huge on TS% and eFG% as many others I saw bring this stat up as I go by mainly FG% and other areas Of Singularity measures. I just think this is interesting concerning Rose

you found a couple of stats in 1 area of his game that declined and came to a conclusion?

Completely ignoring that his team had the best record in the league this year? Completely ignoring that his team just went to the EC Finals? Also completely ignoring that Rose was the best player on that team?

Care to take a fuller look at the accomplishments in a broader context?

Why would you compare a guy's shooting stats whose main role is to score against a PG? Why not show the reverse, like Rose's assist numbers versus Dirk's paltry assist numbers?

The result of your last series is all that matters...if you lost...your dog poop...let me find the statistics that prove Rose is a choke artist....ummm he scored like near nothing in the 4th quarter of the last 4 games.

Point proved. He's garbage trade him for Avery Bradley or something

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5/27/2011  7:03 PM
Juice wrote:Here's another Rosey Doosy...Gallo was lauded over and over this year(somewhat last year) about his TS% and Dirk has been a pretty good player throughout his career in terms of TS% and most certainly has tore it up in this year's playoff in regards to this compiled statistical formula. But Rose was lauded all year about how great he was and some are still making excuses for him after his epic failure in the playoffs..... yet it took him 120FGA to score 117pts in the Miami series and 376FGA overall to score 434pts in this year's playoffs. I went to bbr.com to look up Rose Playoff history Advanced Stats and found that he's been declining since his rookie year. Looking at his TS% and Efg% the two most important stats to measure him by as his offensive usage rate consist of putting up shots and making them(in his case this year missing them)

2008-2009
TS%.527
eFG%.492

2009-2010
TS%.497
eFG.464

2010-2011
TS%.499
eFG.430

So we hear he's only 22 but the trend is showing decline as his organization has improved the roster he's on since coming into the league. Odd! For the record Dirk has a career playoff .587TS% and .497eFG%. In this year's playoffs he had a 64TS% and .546eFG%. I'm not huge on TS% and eFG% as many others I saw bring this stat up as I go by mainly FG% and other areas Of Singularity measures. I just think this is interesting concerning Rose

also the offensive support of this team has completely changed. he has a new head coach and a new system.

gone are ben gordon, hinrich, salmons, brad miller and others that could score the ball. obviously his first year his #'s were a lot better gordon was almost exclusively the bulls "big shot" guy down the stretch.

why do you hate rose so much? did he diss you sometime or steal your GF or something?

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5/27/2011  7:26 PM
martin wrote:
Juice wrote:Here's another Rosey Doosy...Gallo was lauded over and over this year(somewhat last year) about his TS% and Dirk has been a pretty good player throughout his career in terms of TS% and most certainly has tore it up in this year's playoff in regards to this compiled statistical formula. But Rose was lauded all year about how great he was and some are still making excuses for him after his epic failure in the playoffs..... yet it took him 120FGA to score 117pts in the Miami series and 376FGA overall to score 434pts in this year's playoffs. I went to bbr.com to look up Rose Playoff history Advanced Stats and found that he's been declining since his rookie year. Looking at his TS% and Efg% the two most important stats to measure him by as his offensive usage rate consist of putting up shots and making them(in his case this year missing them)

2008-2009
TS%.527
eFG%.492

2009-2010
TS%.497
eFG.464

2010-2011
TS%.499
eFG.430

So we hear he's only 22 but the trend is showing decline as his organization has improved the roster he's on since coming into the league. Odd! For the record Dirk has a career playoff .587TS% and .497eFG%. In this year's playoffs he had a 64TS% and .546eFG%. I'm not huge on TS% and eFG% as many others I saw bring this stat up as I go by mainly FG% and other areas Of Singularity measures. I just think this is interesting concerning Rose

you found a couple of stats in 1 area of his game that declined and came to a conclusion?

Completely ignoring that his team had the best record in the league this year? Completely ignoring that his team just went to the EC Finals? Also completely ignoring that Rose was the best player on that team?

Care to take a fuller look at the accomplishments in a broader context?

Why would you compare a guy's shooting stats whose main role is to score against a PG? Why not show the reverse, like Rose's assist numbers versus Dirk's paltry assist numbers?

I'm going to judge a doctor(Surgeon) by how many successful surgeries he performs not how he helped the litigation team of the hospital which he works for beat malpractice lawsuits. Rose and Dirk are major scoring threats in this league and teams base their defensive schemes around their ability to score the basketball. The Bulls have always managed to improve past 3yrs as they add on Top of Rose. Last 2 yrs it was deadline moves...this summer it was off-season moves(including a major coaching hire). He's had a pretty similar statistical season this year as his previous 2. The only clear discernible improvement to his game was his 3pt shot.... everything else is predicated off of volume. Post-Season play essentially defines players. He looked much better playing against the Celtics mano-a-mano against Rondo 2yrs ago of course minus a Garnett

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5/27/2011  7:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/27/2011  8:41 PM
BigSm00th wrote:
Juice wrote:Here's another Rosey Doosy...Gallo was lauded over and over this year(somewhat last year) about his TS% and Dirk has been a pretty good player throughout his career in terms of TS% and most certainly has tore it up in this year's playoff in regards to this compiled statistical formula. But Rose was lauded all year about how great he was and some are still making excuses for him after his epic failure in the playoffs..... yet it took him 120FGA to score 117pts in the Miami series and 376FGA overall to score 434pts in this year's playoffs. I went to bbr.com to look up Rose Playoff history Advanced Stats and found that he's been declining since his rookie year. Looking at his TS% and Efg% the two most important stats to measure him by as his offensive usage rate consist of putting up shots and making them(in his case this year missing them)

2008-2009
TS%.527
eFG%.492

2009-2010
TS%.497
eFG.464

2010-2011
TS%.499
eFG.430

So we hear he's only 22 but the trend is showing decline as his organization has improved the roster he's on since coming into the league. Odd! For the record Dirk has a career playoff .587TS% and .497eFG%. In this year's playoffs he had a 64TS% and .546eFG%. I'm not huge on TS% and eFG% as many others I saw bring this stat up as I go by mainly FG% and other areas Of Singularity measures. I just think this is interesting concerning Rose

also the offensive support of this team has completely changed. he has a new head coach and a new system.

gone are ben gordon, hinrich, salmons, brad miller and others that could score the ball. obviously his first year his #'s were a lot better gordon was almost exclusively the bulls "big shot" guy down the stretch.

why do you hate rose so much? did he diss you sometime or steal your GF or something?

They had no post player none those first couple yrs so in MO it's a wash for what he had earlier in the backcourt. His team Top to bottom is better now compared to then.

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The humiliating defeat could not have happened without some horrible play by Chicago combined with some incredible play by Miami, but it also couldn't have happened without a stretch of the game dominated by call after horrific call after horrific call in favor of Miami.

Much like game four, the Heat mysteriously shot around 50% more free throws than Chicago while spending about half the amount of time in the paint. How is that? The world may never know.

Dwyane Wade got the call behind the three point line (and fairly so) when he got a four point play. How did Rose not get the same call at the end of the game when LeBron clobbered him with the body on route to his huge block? Granted, odds of Rose making that shot even if LeBron went straight up and didn't get a block? Pretty low.


Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011/05/bulls-fall-to-heat-in-an-officiating-farce.html#ixzz0SIW3SA00

The Heat averaged 12 more free throws a game in games 3-5. In The game decided by 2 points the heat went to the line 16 more times.

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5/28/2011  1:10 AM
For what its worth the Heat went to the line an average of over 9 times a game more than the Celts and had a game where they went to the line 18 more times and two others where they went to the line 14 more times. This trend of getting to the line a lot more than their opponent is against very good defensive teams and some of these games were very close and Miami got beat in every category except for free throws.
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5/28/2011  2:41 AM
The Heat and Mavs show that you have to have a superstar that can close and you need a team that has multiple dependable scoring threats. All the teams in the final 4 play great D, but what really showed was any flaw in your offense. OKC really needed a real PG. IMO Westbrook has a ton of talent, but his not knowing how to make his teammates better on a consistent basis was a huge problem. Too often the team went away from Durant or Westbrook just took bad shots.

The problem I saw with the Bulls early on was that it was mostly Rose and if he was taken out of the equation the Bulls couldn't keep it going. The Heat would make it tough on Rose and I think one player can get worn down from that level of pressure. Boozer was an OK pick up, but he's not a superstar.

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CrushAlot wrote:The humiliating defeat could not have happened without some horrible play by Chicago combined with some incredible play by Miami, but it also couldn't have happened without a stretch of the game dominated by call after horrific call after horrific call in favor of Miami.

Much like game four, the Heat mysteriously shot around 50% more free throws than Chicago while spending about half the amount of time in the paint. How is that? The world may never know.

Dwyane Wade got the call behind the three point line (and fairly so) when he got a four point play. How did Rose not get the same call at the end of the game when LeBron clobbered him with the body on route to his huge block? Granted, odds of Rose making that shot even if LeBron went straight up and didn't get a block? Pretty low.


Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011/05/bulls-fall-to-heat-in-an-officiating-farce.html#ixzz0SIW3SA00

The Heat averaged 12 more free throws a game in games 3-5. In The game decided by 2 points the heat went to the line 16 more times.

I hate the Heat exactly because of the above.

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5/28/2011  2:21 PM
CrushAlot wrote:The humiliating defeat could not have happened without some horrible play by Chicago combined with some incredible play by Miami, but it also couldn't have happened without a stretch of the game dominated by call after horrific call after horrific call in favor of Miami.

Much like game four, the Heat mysteriously shot around 50% more free throws than Chicago while spending about half the amount of time in the paint. How is that? The world may never know.

Dwyane Wade got the call behind the three point line (and fairly so) when he got a four point play. How did Rose not get the same call at the end of the game when LeBron clobbered him with the body on route to his huge block? Granted, odds of Rose making that shot even if LeBron went straight up and didn't get a block? Pretty low.


Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011/05/bulls-fall-to-heat-in-an-officiating-farce.html#ixzz0SIW3SA00

The Heat averaged 12 more free throws a game in games 3-5. In The game decided by 2 points the heat went to the line 16 more times.

Let us keep in mind that you need some swag, some athleticism and some acting skills to be known as a 'superstar'

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5/29/2011  1:12 PM
Can they time Lebron's bitching to the refs to 10 seconds like they do Dwight's free throws?
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5/31/2011  8:50 PM
Finals is On....

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5/31/2011  8:56 PM
Oh Yeah Michael McDonald what an OG....They asked him to sing the National Anthem and his reply was....YA MO BE THERE
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