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tkf
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11/8/2013  10:16 AM
GOOD coaching job by dantoni..

Dwight has to hit ft's and on that last play, it was his job to switch on blake.. you see lin after the game talking with dwight, telling him, pretty much, dude you gotta switch, it doesn't matter if I have to guard a taller gasol.. I mean Dwights gotta think, a two point shot doesn't beat you.. a three does..

houston still a very good team tho..

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11/8/2013  10:17 AM
Nalod wrote:One of the reasons Karl was canned was he did not develope McGee enough. Its about potential and if you have to lose some games to get to a higher ceiling so be it. Its a foreign concept to us. He is not a finished product. When he is then we can judge the signing. Big men with potential and coming off injury get big money.

If you judge Lin solely for his contract then its different than him as a player.

Not just Mcgee, but some of the other young guys like fournier.. but I think Denver has different plans. They are in rebuild mode and I think they fear Karl would coach to win now, which is understandable.. sometimes the relationship goes in different directions..

Mcgee is a doofus, really he is so disconnected from basketball it seems. I almost can't stand seeing him on the court.. LOL

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11/8/2013  10:19 AM
Osiris wrote:Denver will be on the outside looking in come playoff time. Denver will never attract the free agent talent needed to win it all.

they won't need to.. they may have a lottery pick from the knicks... game over then..

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11/8/2013  10:21 AM
tkf wrote:
Osiris wrote:Denver will be on the outside looking in come playoff time. Denver will never attract the free agent talent needed to win it all.

they won't need to.. they may have a lottery pick from the knicks... game over then..


Denver is so smart and good, we should all just become Denver fans because of their awesomeness. Am I right bro? Do you agree bro?
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11/8/2013  10:23 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
tkf wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
playa2 wrote:Denver Nuggets won't make the playoffs this yr. So many young guys, so many games missed stick a fork in them in the west.

They were in a good place last year, I don't get how they ruined it so quickly!

ruined? lol, nothing is ruined... the west got tougher, they are not healthy... they will be fine... I don't get knicks fans, I guess misery loves company.. the problem is, denver is not close to being in our situation...

BTW nuggets started 0-3 last year too..

They are far from right. They fired their coach and lost their gm. They lost their best player for nothing in free agency. They traded this years first round pick to Utah for their second round pick. They traded their best big man to Memphis for Darrell Arthur. They changed their style of play and in turn gave up the tremendous home court advantage that they had because of altitude and their speed They hired a new coach and told him to focus on McGee being a post up player and the center of their offense. They won 58 last year. They are a mess now.

Iggy wasn't their best player

They traded this years first round pick to Utah for their second round pick.

LOL. no they didn't...

Yeah they did.

Wojnarowski has reported via twitter that the Denver Nuggets will trade the rights to Rudy Gobert to the Utah Jazz.

Gobert has ideal NBA height (7’2) but will need to add some weight to make an impact in the NBA. The international prospect has an unprecedented wingspan of 7’8. We’ll find out if he can fill out his frame and become a serviceable big man in the league.

The Nuggets will receive the No. 46 pick in the second round and cash from the Jazz.

I thought you were talking about THIS upcoming draft. Dude understand, denver has a plan...you really think this trade here is sinking them? rofl.. Denver is sitting back waiting for the knicks to miss the playoffs and if that happens, they are in Great position again..

They weren't contenders, they are rebuilding, staying competitive, stacking assets.. they are in great shape.. really what is your angle here? saying they suck, does that make the knick situation better? right now they have the same record as us.. and that is where it ends.. they will be healthy soon, and as I said, even if they went 0-82 they are still in great shape.. I know that bothers you, it shouldn't. what should bother you is our situation...

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11/8/2013  10:23 AM
Syniko wrote:Rockets have a nice line up on paper but Harden iso is going to ruin the Rockets. D.Howard thinks he's having it bad with Kobe, who by the way is far,far, FAR by far more elite than Harden will ever be, is going to have a terrible time adjusting with Harden.

Howard is putting up the same kind of performance he gave when he was with the Lakers. Nothing about him has changed at all. Expect the same song and dance by the time the season is over and Howard is whining again.

Howard is never going to excel or exceed his own expectation if he doesn't end up on a team with a sub-par SG who doesn't need to jack up shots or play ISO during weird moments in the game. A Lin/Howard PNR ticket would work wonders albeit at time boring to watch ala Stockton/Malone.


what harden iso?

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11/8/2013  10:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2013  10:25 AM
Dagger wrote:
tkf wrote:
Osiris wrote:Denver will be on the outside looking in come playoff time. Denver will never attract the free agent talent needed to win it all.

they won't need to.. they may have a lottery pick from the knicks... game over then..


Denver is so smart and good, we should all just become Denver fans because of their awesomeness. Am I right bro? Do you agree bro?

Actually I think we are so bad, we make every NBA team look smart...

but do what you feel..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/8/2013  11:21 AM

Denver has a plan. Then the plan failed because they won too much in the regular season and flopped in the playoffs.
The owner has an directive and they will try to rebuild with a young coach and younger team. Karl is going to the HOF based on win totals and coached to get a new contract or get one from another team. Dude is unemployed now. He'll be our next coach if Melo bolts.

Are the super awesome? Not even close. neither was Warriors two years ago and now they are fun to watch.

Its not that the knicks are superbad, its just by starphuching we hit the ceiling upside because its about revenue and thats really where the team wins.

The records stands on its own.

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11/8/2013  11:33 AM
tkf wrote:
Osiris wrote:Denver will be on the outside looking in come playoff time. Denver will never attract the free agent talent needed to win it all.

they won't need to.. they may have a lottery pick from the knicks... game over then..

Care to name a NBA champ in the last 10 years that hasn't had a major free agent in a starter role?

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11/8/2013  11:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2013  11:56 AM
Osiris wrote:
tkf wrote:
Osiris wrote:Denver will be on the outside looking in come playoff time. Denver will never attract the free agent talent needed to win it all.

they won't need to.. they may have a lottery pick from the knicks... game over then..

Care to name a NBA champ in the last 10 years that hasn't had a major free agent in a starter role?

what do you consider major Free agent?

Better question.. care to name a NBA champ in the past 10 years, that hasn't had a "major" draft pick of their own in a starter role?

Another question, what major free agents did the mavs and Spurs have?

The "major" free agent thing has worked wonders for the knicks I see.... smh

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11/8/2013  12:11 PM
tkf wrote:GOOD coaching job by dantoni..

Dwight has to hit ft's and on that last play, it was his job to switch on blake.. you see lin after the game talking with dwight, telling him, pretty much, dude you gotta switch, it doesn't matter if I have to guard a taller gasol.. I mean Dwights gotta think, a two point shot doesn't beat you.. a three does..

houston still a very good team tho..

Yup. MDA is doing a masterful job.

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11/8/2013  1:09 PM
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NYKBocker wrote:McHale is being out coached by almost every team they play.

Yet he's winning most games?

Quite an achievement, don't you think?

I don't have much confidence in McHale though- he was hired under the thinking that the Rockets would suck for a couple of years, and his purpose was to develop the young players. However getting Harden, changed that. They could use an upgrade at coach if they want to go far in the playoffs, but as they showed last year, they can still win a lot of regular season games with him as coach.

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11/8/2013  1:42 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:McHale is being out coached by almost every team they play.

Yet he's winning most games?

Quite an achievement, don't you think?

I don't have much confidence in McHale though- he was hired under the thinking that the Rockets would suck for a couple of years, and his purpose was to develop the young players. However getting Harden, changed that. They could use an upgrade at coach if they want to go far in the playoffs, but as they showed last year, they can still win a lot of regular season games with him as coach.

McHale was a big piece of Dwight signing.

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11/8/2013  2:43 PM
Harden last night was really bad. He did not look like he wanted to run any plays called by McHale. His defense was horrible also.

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11/8/2013  2:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2013  2:46 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Harden last night was really bad. He did not look like he wanted to run any plays called by McHale. His defense was horrible also.

he has a tendency to drift on defense.. that has to be corrected pronto.. Teams will expose that crap sooner or later..

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11/8/2013  3:01 PM
Got this post from the Rockets forum.

Do guys think Jeremy is being unfairly treated as the spacegoat for the team's mistakes?
Or is it pretty fair and my LOF glasses prevent me from seeing it?
I think Jeremy's been playing great so far this season.

Observation by our very own mrm32 from today's game
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Originally Posted by mrm32
I was sitting behind the Rockets bench and there were a few times Lin was getting chewed out by Harden and McHale for what seemed not running the right play on the precious possession and holding the ball too long.

After he gave the team a nice spark, he's still not allowed to miss a shot without getting crapped on apparently..
Yannis Koutroupis ✔ @YannisHW
James Harden just lit into Jeremy Lin for his last shot. Beverly and McHale had to signal to him to calm down.

And from those that missed or dismissed it before maybe now we can assume there really was some truth to this comment:

(This was originally posted on the Rockets FB by someone that apparently attended the Clippers game):
"Wanted to post my observations from the game last night but will lead the analysis to the pros on the site. My sister and I sat right behind Rockets bench which was great but we had 5 or 6 hecklers sitting right beside us that were super annoying. They were talking trash and screaming literally the whole game. I want to punch them in the face First, Jeremy looked good during warmups. He was making a lot of his jump shots. Not sure if they showed this on TV but Parsons, Harden and Lin have a new pre game ritual. Harden and Parsons facing each other with Lin facing away from them. Harden brushes Parsons hair, Parsons brushes Harden's beard. They do a couple other things that I missed then at the last second Jeremy turns around and they all bow towards each other.

First half was really hard to watch. Looks like dwight and Harden were super lazy on defense. Dwight constantly looks to throw outlet pass to Harden or Parsons. Jeremy was getting really frustrated. There was a play where Coach Mchale was yelling at Jeremy to run a certain play (Index finger and pinky finger raised). Looks like this is a type of "horns" play where they set double screens for Jeremy at the top of the key (one pick on each side). Jeremy calls the play, Harden gets the ball and goes iso and misses.

Mchale then calls time out and yells at Jeremy. Jeremy yells at Mchale back. I heard Jeremy say something like, "I AM trying to run the play." Mchale then yells at Harden and Harden just walks away from him. Mchale then looks at Jeremy and shrugs his shoulders kind of like, "there's nothing i can do."

Jeremy reall looks like he is not having a good time playing. He was constantly being yelled at by Dwight and Parsons between plays. To be honest, I really don't know why they were yelling at him. There were couple time where Jeremy wasn't even involved in the play. In 4th quarter, Jeremy checks in at 8 minute mark on his own. He looked at Mchale while walking to check in kind of like asking "I'm checking in right now right." Made me think maybe they have set times they check in? At the end of the 4th, AB was set to check in for JEremy during garbage time. Jeremy was playing well. I saw AB walk back to the bench on his own and heard him say to Mchale, "Jeremy's doing his thing. Just let him play."

This was echoed by a Clippers fan on reddit

HILARIOUS! i know the guys that were heckling dwight and harden. they are season ticket holders and die hard clips fans, and actually got yelled at by both rockets towards the end of the game.

the assessment about Lin is completely correct. It's crazy how other teams attack him. and it's even worse that the rockets players don't stand up for him. he was bullied by the clips and was OPENLY yelled at by several rockets players for things that weren't even his fault. CP3 would abuse whichever rocket was guarding him, but somehow whenever Lin got scored on he was given crap.

the part about Harden is completely true too. he openly broke plays and went iso. he turned it into a d measuring contest for some reason, when Omri was making everything. no way the team will contend, they are in line for a self destruct IMO.

Time to pounce on Lin. Maybe we can get Asik and Lin for Bargs and Felton.

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11/8/2013  3:13 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Got this post from the Rockets forum.

Do guys think Jeremy is being unfairly treated as the spacegoat for the team's mistakes?
Or is it pretty fair and my LOF glasses prevent me from seeing it?
I think Jeremy's been playing great so far this season.

Observation by our very own mrm32 from today's game
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrm32
I was sitting behind the Rockets bench and there were a few times Lin was getting chewed out by Harden and McHale for what seemed not running the right play on the precious possession and holding the ball too long.

After he gave the team a nice spark, he's still not allowed to miss a shot without getting crapped on apparently..
Yannis Koutroupis ✔ @YannisHW
James Harden just lit into Jeremy Lin for his last shot. Beverly and McHale had to signal to him to calm down.

And from those that missed or dismissed it before maybe now we can assume there really was some truth to this comment:

(This was originally posted on the Rockets FB by someone that apparently attended the Clippers game):
"Wanted to post my observations from the game last night but will lead the analysis to the pros on the site. My sister and I sat right behind Rockets bench which was great but we had 5 or 6 hecklers sitting right beside us that were super annoying. They were talking trash and screaming literally the whole game. I want to punch them in the face First, Jeremy looked good during warmups. He was making a lot of his jump shots. Not sure if they showed this on TV but Parsons, Harden and Lin have a new pre game ritual. Harden and Parsons facing each other with Lin facing away from them. Harden brushes Parsons hair, Parsons brushes Harden's beard. They do a couple other things that I missed then at the last second Jeremy turns around and they all bow towards each other.

First half was really hard to watch. Looks like dwight and Harden were super lazy on defense. Dwight constantly looks to throw outlet pass to Harden or Parsons. Jeremy was getting really frustrated. There was a play where Coach Mchale was yelling at Jeremy to run a certain play (Index finger and pinky finger raised). Looks like this is a type of "horns" play where they set double screens for Jeremy at the top of the key (one pick on each side). Jeremy calls the play, Harden gets the ball and goes iso and misses.

Mchale then calls time out and yells at Jeremy. Jeremy yells at Mchale back. I heard Jeremy say something like, "I AM trying to run the play." Mchale then yells at Harden and Harden just walks away from him. Mchale then looks at Jeremy and shrugs his shoulders kind of like, "there's nothing i can do."

Jeremy reall looks like he is not having a good time playing. He was constantly being yelled at by Dwight and Parsons between plays. To be honest, I really don't know why they were yelling at him. There were couple time where Jeremy wasn't even involved in the play. In 4th quarter, Jeremy checks in at 8 minute mark on his own. He looked at Mchale while walking to check in kind of like asking "I'm checking in right now right." Made me think maybe they have set times they check in? At the end of the 4th, AB was set to check in for JEremy during garbage time. Jeremy was playing well. I saw AB walk back to the bench on his own and heard him say to Mchale, "Jeremy's doing his thing. Just let him play."

This was echoed by a Clippers fan on reddit

HILARIOUS! i know the guys that were heckling dwight and harden. they are season ticket holders and die hard clips fans, and actually got yelled at by both rockets towards the end of the game.

the assessment about Lin is completely correct. It's crazy how other teams attack him. and it's even worse that the rockets players don't stand up for him. he was bullied by the clips and was OPENLY yelled at by several rockets players for things that weren't even his fault. CP3 would abuse whichever rocket was guarding him, but somehow whenever Lin got scored on he was given crap.

the part about Harden is completely true too. he openly broke plays and went iso. he turned it into a d measuring contest for some reason, when Omri was making everything. no way the team will contend, they are in line for a self destruct IMO.

Time to pounce on Lin. Maybe we can get Asik and Lin for Bargs and Felton.

what the hell is going on there? a free for all? seems kind of odd... I will keep and eye on this..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/8/2013  3:27 PM
tkf wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Got this post from the Rockets forum.

Do guys think Jeremy is being unfairly treated as the spacegoat for the team's mistakes?
Or is it pretty fair and my LOF glasses prevent me from seeing it?
I think Jeremy's been playing great so far this season.

Observation by our very own mrm32 from today's game
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrm32
I was sitting behind the Rockets bench and there were a few times Lin was getting chewed out by Harden and McHale for what seemed not running the right play on the precious possession and holding the ball too long.

After he gave the team a nice spark, he's still not allowed to miss a shot without getting crapped on apparently..
Yannis Koutroupis ✔ @YannisHW
James Harden just lit into Jeremy Lin for his last shot. Beverly and McHale had to signal to him to calm down.

And from those that missed or dismissed it before maybe now we can assume there really was some truth to this comment:

(This was originally posted on the Rockets FB by someone that apparently attended the Clippers game):
"Wanted to post my observations from the game last night but will lead the analysis to the pros on the site. My sister and I sat right behind Rockets bench which was great but we had 5 or 6 hecklers sitting right beside us that were super annoying. They were talking trash and screaming literally the whole game. I want to punch them in the face First, Jeremy looked good during warmups. He was making a lot of his jump shots. Not sure if they showed this on TV but Parsons, Harden and Lin have a new pre game ritual. Harden and Parsons facing each other with Lin facing away from them. Harden brushes Parsons hair, Parsons brushes Harden's beard. They do a couple other things that I missed then at the last second Jeremy turns around and they all bow towards each other.

First half was really hard to watch. Looks like dwight and Harden were super lazy on defense. Dwight constantly looks to throw outlet pass to Harden or Parsons. Jeremy was getting really frustrated. There was a play where Coach Mchale was yelling at Jeremy to run a certain play (Index finger and pinky finger raised). Looks like this is a type of "horns" play where they set double screens for Jeremy at the top of the key (one pick on each side). Jeremy calls the play, Harden gets the ball and goes iso and misses.

Mchale then calls time out and yells at Jeremy. Jeremy yells at Mchale back. I heard Jeremy say something like, "I AM trying to run the play." Mchale then yells at Harden and Harden just walks away from him. Mchale then looks at Jeremy and shrugs his shoulders kind of like, "there's nothing i can do."

Jeremy reall looks like he is not having a good time playing. He was constantly being yelled at by Dwight and Parsons between plays. To be honest, I really don't know why they were yelling at him. There were couple time where Jeremy wasn't even involved in the play. In 4th quarter, Jeremy checks in at 8 minute mark on his own. He looked at Mchale while walking to check in kind of like asking "I'm checking in right now right." Made me think maybe they have set times they check in? At the end of the 4th, AB was set to check in for JEremy during garbage time. Jeremy was playing well. I saw AB walk back to the bench on his own and heard him say to Mchale, "Jeremy's doing his thing. Just let him play."

This was echoed by a Clippers fan on reddit

HILARIOUS! i know the guys that were heckling dwight and harden. they are season ticket holders and die hard clips fans, and actually got yelled at by both rockets towards the end of the game.

the assessment about Lin is completely correct. It's crazy how other teams attack him. and it's even worse that the rockets players don't stand up for him. he was bullied by the clips and was OPENLY yelled at by several rockets players for things that weren't even his fault. CP3 would abuse whichever rocket was guarding him, but somehow whenever Lin got scored on he was given crap.

the part about Harden is completely true too. he openly broke plays and went iso. he turned it into a d measuring contest for some reason, when Omri was making everything. no way the team will contend, they are in line for a self destruct IMO.

Time to pounce on Lin. Maybe we can get Asik and Lin for Bargs and Felton.

what the hell is going on there? a free for all? seems kind of odd... I will keep and eye on this..

Watched all the games this year. You can tell that Lin is the whipping boy. This starts at the top. McHale does not like Lin and it showed. The troops notices this is following suit. The funny thing is that Beverly is the only one that sticks up for him.

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11/8/2013  4:12 PM
Look at this sequence. Lin calling a play for Harden and Harden ignores him.

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11/8/2013  4:33 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Harden last night was really bad. He did not look like he wanted to run any plays called by McHale. His defense was horrible also.

Harden is always bad on D.

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