martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:After debate #1 Im predicting this will all be over.

Over for Trump? I agree

I have said it before. Hillary will win in a landslide. The elector map is heavily in her favor.

Whats a landslide--and what odds are you giving:) Give me 5-1 for 1,000$ and Im in if youre confident. Just send me an address and Ill send the 1k if I lose.

No thanks. I do get a kick out of those who I think are otherwise smart people who are getting the wool pulled over their eyes and who are tying themselves to an otherwise disgusting, lying, racist dude who has never helped anyone in his life and has otherwise conned people to thinking he would do so because he loves America. He has zero policies that make sense - Mexico Wall? - and zero track record of public service (charity, companies that have shined bright, anything?). Follow who you like cause he beats his chest the loudest and puts on a good reality show (Dr Oz anyone, is this what Presidential candidates do?). It's why America is declining and others around the world think we are zany.

Ah at the end of the day basketball season will be here soon and this subject will go to the back-burner:) Life goes on whoever is President.

MaTT4281 wrote:I'm absolutely dumb founded how the country is still split - I get party lines and all, but really? I sincerely hope it's just the 24 hour news cycle that's just creating this illusion of a race and the veil will be lifted in November.

I don't particularly care for Hillary, nor did I vote for her in the primaries. She has the untrustworthy air to her that's become a stereotype among politicians. But as Nalod has much more adequately fleshed out, she's competent. Our current president has called her the most qualified candidate in history. She's worked with the president and foreign leaders. She's been in the war room. She's married to a 2-term president. That's a whole lot experience to draw from.

Enter Donald Trump. He's insulted Mexicans, Muslims, women...blacks - what the hell do you have to lose? He incites violence at his rallies. He's picked a verbal fight with a gold star family, called McCain a loser for getting captured, and this is the guy veterans can get behind? Well, at least he has a purple heart now.

What do we actually know about his policies, other than the generic check list for Republicans on taxes, abortion, and the 2nd amendment? Sincere question, I'm ignorant on the subject. Every time I see him asked for specifics on how he will accomplish anything, whether it be the wall Mexico is buying us or strategy to combat ISIS, it comes back to "I'm good at negotiating" and "I'll put brilliant minds around me and they'll advise." I guess I haven't taken the taken the time to see if there is a beautiful mind underneath all those layers of bull****.

Of course I'm a democrat, maybe it's just my liberal bias turning me off. What does the rest of the world think?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trump-terrifies-world-leaders-222233

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/06/47-not-very-positive-things-foreign-leaders-have-said-about-donald-trump/

I'll wait for the debates, but I'm going to need a few drinks to get me through it.

BRIGGS wrote:After debate #1 Im predicting this will all be over.

I wonder how her medical team will keep her from coughgate during the debates. Also, they should make sure there are no baloons in the building. That can be a frightening distraction.

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:Colin Powell classic line on Trump...

Powell suggested in another email that even critical coverage of Trump didn't really work: "To go on and call him an idiot just emboldens him."

Calling him an idiot is irresistible but counter productive because the depressing truth is a large chunk of Americans share his stupid views, by insulting him you insult them which makes them less likely to listen to you and more likely to support him. People believe what emotionally resonates with them- if they feel particularly strongly then there is no reasoning with them because they will just distort and deny any information that contradicts how they feel.

Might be more effective to just focus on the fact he's a con man- he's a complete bull****ter- back in the times of the wild west he'd be honking his wagon from town to town selling his miracle wonder-tonic.

No doubt Trump is a showman an exaggerator a narcissist. But I think he kind of gets some common things and if he had acted like he has over the last 3-4 weeks the whole time this would be a walk away. Hes the only candidate who has talked about rebuilding infrastructure controlling illegal immigration helping curb drugs pouring into the uS via Mexico helping our military restructure itself working on behalf of Americans to provide more jobs. He has the energy and the will--hes listening to two women who have done a great job with him--that shows flexibility--he has gone to Mexico into the inner cities--hes giving effort and trying. Like the post says "where is Hillary" she's done none of these things. I don't think trump is a bad guy he seems to have very nice pro active intelligent children. Hes taken care of his daughter from a previous marriage. None of the ex wives are coming out and slamming him. Hes said some stupid things a long the way--but hes also been non stop at this for 14 months. Hes worked hard for the job--I think he deserves it. I ws once a Hillary fan but Im not anymore. Shes a tired woman--she's a manipulative dishonest woman with much less bonafides that I thought she had. If Colin Powell said anything in those emails--my biggest take away--EVERYONE HATES HILLARY. To me thats God awful--thats her direct colleague.

I hate Trump though I do think he cynically taps into a global shift, namely:

An end to stage managed, personality free robot politicians
Curbs to immigration
Increasing xenophobia and racism (as usual in times of economic woe, these spike)
A backlash to globalization and free market economics- a lot of people want protectionist policies
A 'leave them to it' or 'kill them all' approach to foreign policy- humanitarian intervention (sometimes used as a cover for realpolitik and resource theft) is pretty much over.

I think it generally comes from people generally feeling fed up, disillusioned, disempowered, angry and scared, a mixture of decades of foreign policy disasters, terrorism and economic crisis. That's the emotional resonance. The joke is I doubt Trump will actually do what people seem to think he is saying.

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:Colin Powell classic line on Trump...

Powell suggested in another email that even critical coverage of Trump didn't really work: "To go on and call him an idiot just emboldens him."

Calling him an idiot is irresistible but counter productive because the depressing truth is a large chunk of Americans share his stupid views, by insulting him you insult them which makes them less likely to listen to you and more likely to support him. People believe what emotionally resonates with them- if they feel particularly strongly then there is no reasoning with them because they will just distort and deny any information that contradicts how they feel.

Might be more effective to just focus on the fact he's a con man- he's a complete bull****ter- back in the times of the wild west he'd be honking his wagon from town to town selling his miracle wonder-tonic.

No doubt Trump is a showman an exaggerator a narcissist. But I think he kind of gets some common things and if he had acted like he has over the last 3-4 weeks the whole time this would be a walk away. Hes the only candidate who has talked about rebuilding infrastructure controlling illegal immigration helping curb drugs pouring into the uS via Mexico helping our military restructure itself working on behalf of Americans to provide more jobs. He has the energy and the will--hes listening to two women who have done a great job with him--that shows flexibility--he has gone to Mexico into the inner cities--hes giving effort and trying. Like the post says "where is Hillary" she's done none of these things. I don't think trump is a bad guy he seems to have very nice pro active intelligent children. Hes taken care of his daughter from a previous marriage. None of the ex wives are coming out and slamming him. Hes said some stupid things a long the way--but hes also been non stop at this for 14 months. Hes worked hard for the job--I think he deserves it. I ws once a Hillary fan but Im not anymore. Shes a tired woman--she's a manipulative dishonest woman with much less bonafides that I thought she had. If Colin Powell said anything in those emails--my biggest take away--EVERYONE HATES HILLARY. To me thats God awful--thats her direct colleague.

I hate Trump though I do think he cynically taps into a global shift, namely:

An end to stage managed, personality free robot politicians
Curbs to immigration
Increasing xenophobia and racism (as usual in times of economic woe, these spike)
A backlash to globalization and free market economics- a lot of people want protectionist policies
A 'leave them to it' or 'kill them all' approach to foreign policy- humanitarian intervention (sometimes used as a cover for realpolitik and resource theft) is pretty much over.

I think it generally comes from people generally feeling fed up, disillusioned, disempowered, angry and scared, a mixture of decades of foreign policy disasters, terrorism and economic crisis. That's the emotional resonance. The joke is I doubt Trump will actually do what people seem to think he is saying.

What fairy tale world naive world thought process thinks the last 100 years did not have problems similar to what we have been thru?
And what happend under OBAMA that is so god awful in the context of the last 100 years? Maybe he is black has something to do with it?
Terrorism? was not an Obama Invention. Banking crisis? Happend in the bush administration. Isis? Born form Iraqi war. Afganistan? we already there.

Seems to me America has been great all along even with the events above. Trump is not going to make you rich, or take you back to some childhood babyboom dream world.

holfresh wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:Colin Powell classic line on Trump...

Powell suggested in another email that even critical coverage of Trump didn't really work: "To go on and call him an idiot just emboldens him."

Calling him an idiot is irresistible but counter productive because the depressing truth is a large chunk of Americans share his stupid views, by insulting him you insult them which makes them less likely to listen to you and more likely to support him. People believe what emotionally resonates with them- if they feel particularly strongly then there is no reasoning with them because they will just distort and deny any information that contradicts how they feel.

Might be more effective to just focus on the fact he's a con man- he's a complete bull****ter- back in the times of the wild west he'd be honking his wagon from town to town selling his miracle wonder-tonic.

Well the guy has already beat back 16 competitors and he is their nominee...His supporters are all in...The fact that there are independents on the fence wringing the hands wondering who to choose is just mind blowing...

It should have been mind blowing, in reality their minds were blown long ago. Trump is popular because a large percentage of people have the same type of active loathing for Muslims, non whites and women who are fully dressed and capable of holding a conversation. He is mirroring their POV.
On the other hand Hillary is unimaginative, boring and square. She has zero personality, zero charisma and when faced with making a decision between what's right for America and what's best for her legacy, she is capable of choosing the latter. But that last thing isn't unique to her, it's pretty common for politicians.

meloshouldgo wrote:

holfresh wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:Colin Powell classic line on Trump...

Powell suggested in another email that even critical coverage of Trump didn't really work: "To go on and call him an idiot just emboldens him."

Calling him an idiot is irresistible but counter productive because the depressing truth is a large chunk of Americans share his stupid views, by insulting him you insult them which makes them less likely to listen to you and more likely to support him. People believe what emotionally resonates with them- if they feel particularly strongly then there is no reasoning with them because they will just distort and deny any information that contradicts how they feel.

Might be more effective to just focus on the fact he's a con man- he's a complete bull****ter- back in the times of the wild west he'd be honking his wagon from town to town selling his miracle wonder-tonic.

Well the guy has already beat back 16 competitors and he is their nominee...His supporters are all in...The fact that there are independents on the fence wringing the hands wondering who to choose is just mind blowing...

It should have been mind blowing, in reality their minds were blown long ago. Trump is popular because a large percentage of people have the same type of active loathing for Muslims, non whites and women who are fully dressed and capable of holding a conversation. He is mirroring their POV.
On the other hand Hillary is unimaginative, boring and square. She has zero personality, zero charisma and when faced with making a decision between what's right for America and what's best for her legacy, she is capable of choosing the latter. But that last thing isn't unique to her, it's pretty common for politicians.

Where is this thing that Trump dislikes women--its such BS? Youre believing the bS spin.

Those Americans are energized and enthusiastic. They are as eager as ever to head out on Nov 8th to vote. Many others won't vote. Some don't care enough to vote and others are still on the fence. My sense is that there are far more enthusiastic voters on the Trump side there there are for Hillary. Hillary is less inspiring with each day that goes by. I actually feel bad for her because she's gonna push herself to the limit regardless.

Despite popular belief of liberals and their media that Trump is racist and is popular because racists have rallied around him.

Nalod wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

holfresh wrote:Colin Powell classic line on Trump...

Powell suggested in another email that even critical coverage of Trump didn't really work: "To go on and call him an idiot just emboldens him."

Calling him an idiot is irresistible but counter productive because the depressing truth is a large chunk of Americans share his stupid views, by insulting him you insult them which makes them less likely to listen to you and more likely to support him. People believe what emotionally resonates with them- if they feel particularly strongly then there is no reasoning with them because they will just distort and deny any information that contradicts how they feel.

Might be more effective to just focus on the fact he's a con man- he's a complete bull****ter- back in the times of the wild west he'd be honking his wagon from town to town selling his miracle wonder-tonic.

No doubt Trump is a showman an exaggerator a narcissist. But I think he kind of gets some common things and if he had acted like he has over the last 3-4 weeks the whole time this would be a walk away. Hes the only candidate who has talked about rebuilding infrastructure controlling illegal immigration helping curb drugs pouring into the uS via Mexico helping our military restructure itself working on behalf of Americans to provide more jobs. He has the energy and the will--hes listening to two women who have done a great job with him--that shows flexibility--he has gone to Mexico into the inner cities--hes giving effort and trying. Like the post says "where is Hillary" she's done none of these things. I don't think trump is a bad guy he seems to have very nice pro active intelligent children. Hes taken care of his daughter from a previous marriage. None of the ex wives are coming out and slamming him. Hes said some stupid things a long the way--but hes also been non stop at this for 14 months. Hes worked hard for the job--I think he deserves it. I ws once a Hillary fan but Im not anymore. Shes a tired woman--she's a manipulative dishonest woman with much less bonafides that I thought she had. If Colin Powell said anything in those emails--my biggest take away--EVERYONE HATES HILLARY. To me thats God awful--thats her direct colleague.

I hate Trump though I do think he cynically taps into a global shift, namely:

An end to stage managed, personality free robot politicians
Curbs to immigration
Increasing xenophobia and racism (as usual in times of economic woe, these spike)
A backlash to globalization and free market economics- a lot of people want protectionist policies
A 'leave them to it' or 'kill them all' approach to foreign policy- humanitarian intervention (sometimes used as a cover for realpolitik and resource theft) is pretty much over.

I think it generally comes from people generally feeling fed up, disillusioned, disempowered, angry and scared, a mixture of decades of foreign policy disasters, terrorism and economic crisis. That's the emotional resonance. The joke is I doubt Trump will actually do what people seem to think he is saying.

When did we not have Foreign policy disasters? Terrorism? or some economic crisis? Name the decade? Last 100 years.
1910's Terror in europe sparksWorld War I, failed peace treaty
1920's Prohibition creates black market economy and stock bubble leads to stock crash.
1930's Failed foreign policy, failed League of nations, Economic depression, Hitler in Europe gains power.
1940's Failed oil and steel embargo causes Pearl Harbor Terrorism, World War II, japanese US citizens interened, History's only use of nuke on Japan to end war.
1950's Failed froeign policy, conflict in Korea (war) Internal McCarthyism which hunt.
1960's Cuban Missle crisis, Kennedy's shot, MLK shot, Race Riots, Vietnam war!!!
1970's Vietnam war, Watergate, economic recession, Terror on TV in Munich starts new age of terror. But knicks win 2 chips!!!
1980's Fall of Iran, Iran Hostage, Still recession, Prime rate at 21%!!!! Reagan breaks union, 1987 stock crash, Reagan cuts Lebonon and Marines die!
1990's Recession, Aids, 1st real estate problems, Oklahoma bombing, Monica, OJ, Uss COLE....
2000's Tech bubble, 9/11, banking crisis

What fairy tale world naive world thought process thinks the last 100 years did not have problems similar to what we have been thru?
And what happend under OBAMA that is so god awful in the context of the last 100 years? Maybe he is black has something to do with it?
Terrorism? was not an Obama Invention. Banking crisis? Happend in the bush administration. Isis? Born form Iraqi war. Afganistan? we already there.

Seems to me America has been great all along even with the events above. Trump is not going to make you rich, or take you back to some childhood babyboom dream world.

That's why America is great.
No one who has nominal power matters personally.
And nothing that went along in the list above derailed the main thing we Americans do.
We are moving the Human Race forward on the path of freedom and prosperity.
And if one cannot see how far along we went looking on how the whole world is doing he is blind.
No one from the real circle of power in this country gives the rat a...ss about who will be the President.
This county is ruled by Wealth... by 1% who owes it and 10% who understood the System and make it work.
And this 11% will not talk about it because it is true, clear, and inevitable as gravitation low.
Every country who went against the laws of Human nature and market forces sooner or later end up in ruins.
And this how the World will move forward in foreseeable future.

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Why do all of Hillary's colleagues think shes an arshole? Usually thats an easy answer right?

You never give up, huh? It's almost page 40 and you haven't changed anyone's mind.

BRIGGS has yet to post 1 substantial thing about Hilary or Trump. Still waiting on that.

Hillary is a girl Trump is a boy.