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3/3/2013  4:32 PM
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nixluva wrote:
Dagger wrote:I could have had a bigger impact on this game than Novak by merely sacrificing my body a few plays. He is a 3pt specialist that can't hit open threes and the other aspects of his "game" are truly non-existent. He's not like Amar'e who can rebound and occasionally intimidate people with his size or get weak-side blocks, he can't do anything but brick 3's. I hate seeing this piece of TRASH on the court.

And why is everyone hating on Felton? I think he had a nice game, he almost brought us back into it at the end.

IMO it's not Felton, but JR handling the ball too much. I understand we need to stretch things with Prigs hurt, but still. JR is awful at PG.

Prigs is not hurt. His phatom injury allowed Woodson to move Kidd to the bench. Woodson fears Kidd


Its more like his injury forced Woodson to move Kidd to the bench. I doubt he really wanted to do it.
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3/3/2013  4:41 PM
Woodson is either going to blame himself and not do anything about it or blame Melo for not taking more shots which happens to be Woodson's offensive strategy. Melo and JR take all the shots while $20mil Amare rots on the bench
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3/3/2013  4:48 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
3G4G wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
3G4G wrote:Their 3 Are So Much Better Than Our Three...

Oh well can't undo the trade(why or why did we trade for Melo)

The thing I hate about Miami unless you blow them out I'd say 95% of the time if the game is within a possession or two whether they are down or up in the last few minutes of a game you're not beating them. They either will make plays and/or get help from refs or they make teams mis execute.

well

look who shows up

I was doing laundry all the while this game was on. Matter of fact I missed a couple of things web related that almost cost me some money because of doing so. Has nothing to do with outcome at all. Just finished folding up some Hanes Boxers and taking a lint picker upper to some garments....

Melo and J.R. were suspect down the stretch

Edit: On Boxer Brand...lol

Melo ... ha!

1 on 9 aint easy - you need to watch the whole game to understand the progression

1 on 9 has everything to do with how 1 plays the game and his overall approach. You see even Lebron was somewhat suspect down the stretch offensively but he makes up for the overall shortcomings because he's a COMPLETE PLAYER...so he beat us with his passing and his defense when his offense wasn't quite as sharp. Melo only knows how to beat teams by scoring...

This game also proved when it 's on the line you don't need that "GO TO SCORER" you need that "GO TO PLAYER" who can beat you with "TRIPLE THREAT" play...

SCORING
PASSING
DEFENDING

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3/3/2013  4:50 PM
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dk7th wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:I hope no one puts this loss solely on Novak. That is Moobyism at its finest as Nalod would say

Not all on Novak but his missing those wide-open shots hurt.

RE: his strong +/-, he must be drawing out the defense which leads to easier opportunities for interior baskets. No matter how much he struggles, the defense is still going to key onto him b/c of his rep.

smith took 18 shots and made 5. of those 18 shots 14 shots were beyond the arc. and 0 FTA. what does that tell you?

That he's feast or famine per usual. That he's basically an athletic chucker with a low basketball IQ.

Truthfully, the game shouldn't rest in his hands despite his game-winners/clutch baskets. He's too inconsistent in his play & decision-making. Woody should have had Amar'e out there down the stretch.

woodson is in a bind because he can't play shumpert or stoudemire more than 20 minutes a game due to their injuries and recovery. so he has to play smith. but i agree i don't want him out there during crunch time. trouble is he is just not enough of a ball mover and he never gets to the line either. you need both qualities in a starter.

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3/3/2013  4:54 PM
3G4G wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
3G4G wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
3G4G wrote:Their 3 Are So Much Better Than Our Three...

Oh well can't undo the trade(why or why did we trade for Melo)

The thing I hate about Miami unless you blow them out I'd say 95% of the time if the game is within a possession or two whether they are down or up in the last few minutes of a game you're not beating them. They either will make plays and/or get help from refs or they make teams mis execute.

well

look who shows up

I was doing laundry all the while this game was on. Matter of fact I missed a couple of things web related that almost cost me some money because of doing so. Has nothing to do with outcome at all. Just finished folding up some Hanes Boxers and taking a lint picker upper to some garments....

Melo and J.R. were suspect down the stretch

Edit: On Boxer Brand...l

Melo ... ha!

1 on 9 aint easy - you need to watch the whole game to understand the progression

1 on 9 has everything to do with how 1 plays the game and his overall approach. You see even Lebron was somewhat suspect down the stretch offensively but he makes up for the overall shortcomings because he's a COMPLETE PLAYER...so he beat us with his passing and his defense when his offense wasn't quite as sharp. Melo only knows how to beat teams by scoring...

This game also proved when it 's on the line you don't need that "GO TO SCORER" you need that "GO TO PLAYER" who can beat you with "TRIPLE THREAT" play...

SCORING
PASSING
DEFENDING

of course i agree. echoing that, van gundy made an observation about lebron when he went something like 5-14 the other night-- he said a player can have a bad shooting night and still have played a good game. in other words shooting poorly does not mean you are playing poorly, the implication being that you can play all facets of the game. lebron does and melo does not.

simple!

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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3/3/2013  4:55 PM
dk7th wrote:woodson is in a bind because he can't play shumpert or stoudemire more than 20 minutes a game due to their injuries and recovery. so he has to play smith. but i agree i don't want him out there during crunch time. trouble is he is just not enough of a ball mover and he never gets to the line either. you need both qualities in a starter.

I dont know about Shump but Amares limit is 30 min
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3/3/2013  4:56 PM
Its a shame we let this game slip away. When you get a 16pt lead at home, you shouldn't lose the game by 6pts.

We lost a great chance to make a statement, but instead got one for ourselves:

In the end, turning the switch on and off constantly damages the machine to the points where it stops working when needed.

Tell me how many were excited and annoyed at the same time that we were playing a great game on both ends? If we played every game with that intencity, we wouldn't trail the Heat by so many games.

But this team has serious problems with coaching, motivation and focus. This will prove to be their downfall as the cloaest Knick team in a while to win it all but at the end falling short.

Wish I was wrong, but the lack or urgency and those games where they never showed up will come back to haunt this team.

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3/3/2013  4:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/3/2013  4:59 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Woodson is either going to blame himself and not do anything about it or blame Melo for not taking more shots which happens to be Woodson's offensive strategy. Melo and JR take all the shots while $20mil Amare rots on the bench

Very poor coaching by him today. His offensive strategies and rotations were terrible. Amar'e & Shump being in the game down the stretch makes a world of difference for this team. He's got to fall out of love with JR. I said this during the playoffs. He's not a Russell Westbrook, where his athleticism and talent is so outstanding that you can overlook the chucking and boneheaded play. (And folks kill Westbrook, anyway.) As a coach, you need to know when to play him and when to sit him down. When he's 5-18, you sit him. This is not rocket science.

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3/3/2013  4:58 PM
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:woodson is in a bind because he can't play shumpert or stoudemire more than 20 minutes a game due to their injuries and recovery. so he has to play smith. but i agree i don't want him out there during crunch time. trouble is he is just not enough of a ball mover and he never gets to the line either. you need both qualities in a starter.

I dont know about Shump but Amares limit is 30 min

That's what they say, but if you look at the mins he plays, 30mins is the max, and they are aiming for him to average 24mins. Also we have a game tomorrow which is probably why he was kept to 20mins today.

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3/3/2013  5:01 PM
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TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:woodson is in a bind because he can't play shumpert or stoudemire more than 20 minutes a game due to their injuries and recovery. so he has to play smith. but i agree i don't want him out there during crunch time. trouble is he is just not enough of a ball mover and he never gets to the line either. you need both qualities in a starter.

I dont know about Shump but Amares limit is 30 min

That's what they say, but if you look at the mins he plays, 30mins is the max, and they are aiming for him to average 24mins. Also we have a game tomorrow which is probably why he was kept to 20mins today.


Well if thats true then why not manage his minutes better so he has enough to play down the stretch?
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3/3/2013  5:03 PM
TeamBall wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:woodson is in a bind because he can't play shumpert or stoudemire more than 20 minutes a game due to their injuries and recovery. so he has to play smith. but i agree i don't want him out there during crunch time. trouble is he is just not enough of a ball mover and he never gets to the line either. you need both qualities in a starter.

I dont know about Shump but Amares limit is 30 min

That's what they say, but if you look at the mins he plays, 30mins is the max, and they are aiming for him to average 24mins. Also we have a game tomorrow which is probably why he was kept to 20mins today.


Well if thats true then why not manage his minutes better so he has enough to play down the stretch?

agreed i want to see stat finishing games not smith.

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3/3/2013  5:11 PM
very nice discussion by tirico and hubie brown about the emergence of the advanced stat as a tool used by nba teams. 3000 people attending an MIT conference, daryl morey and hollinger mentioned. these developments simply can't be ignored or dismissed.
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3/3/2013  5:13 PM
dk7th wrote:
3G4G wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
3G4G wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
3G4G wrote:Their 3 Are So Much Better Than Our Three...

Oh well can't undo the trade(why or why did we trade for Melo)

The thing I hate about Miami unless you blow them out I'd say 95% of the time if the game is within a possession or two whether they are down or up in the last few minutes of a game you're not beating them. They either will make plays and/or get help from refs or they make teams mis execute.

well

look who shows up

I was doing laundry all the while this game was on. Matter of fact I missed a couple of things web related that almost cost me some money because of doing so. Has nothing to do with outcome at all. Just finished folding up some Hanes Boxers and taking a lint picker upper to some garments....

Melo and J.R. were suspect down the stretch

Edit: On Boxer Brand...l

Melo ... ha!

1 on 9 aint easy - you need to watch the whole game to understand the progression

1 on 9 has everything to do with how 1 plays the game and his overall approach. You see even Lebron was somewhat suspect down the stretch offensively but he makes up for the overall shortcomings because he's a COMPLETE PLAYER...so he beat us with his passing and his defense when his offense wasn't quite as sharp. Melo only knows how to beat teams by scoring...

This game also proved when it 's on the line you don't need that "GO TO SCORER" you need that "GO TO PLAYER" who can beat you with "TRIPLE THREAT" play...

SCORING
PASSING
DEFENDING

of course i agree. echoing that, van gundy made an observation about lebron when he went something like 5-14 the other night-- he said a player can have a bad shooting night and still have played a good game. in other words shooting poorly does not mean you are playing poorly, the implication being that you can play all facets of the game. lebron does and melo does not.

simple!

I think he has the capability [to play all facets of the game], but he rarely pulls it all together for an entire game or stretch of games.

But I'll give him that he's at least being SMARTER on offense, in the way he has been getting to the line of late.

Today in the first half, he had his shot and still went to the line at an epic rate, which was beautiful. This tailed off in the second half, but I felt as if the refs were swallowing the whistle on him to a degree.

Hurts the team when he's only grabbing 2 boards, though. Would like for him to have more than 3 assists also.

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3/3/2013  5:14 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:Woodson is either going to blame himself and not do anything about it or blame Melo for not taking more shots which happens to be Woodson's offensive strategy. Melo and JR take all the shots while $20mil Amare rots on the bench

Very poor coaching by him today. His offensive strategies tactics and rotations were terrible. Amar'e & Shump being in the game down the stretch makes a world of difference for this team. He's got to fall out of love with JR. I said this during the playoffs. He's not a Russell Westbrook, where his athleticism and talent is so outstanding that you can overlook the chucking and boneheaded play. (And folks kill Westbrook, anyway.) As a coach, you need to know when to play him and when to sit him down. When he's 5-18, you sit him. This is not rocket science.

FIXED. Woody has no offensive strategy,period.

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3/3/2013  5:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/3/2013  5:16 PM
I didn't want to see kidd on the court at the end of the game because he ran out of gas. I t showed when he drove to the basket and couldn't get by Battier and got his layup blocked.

Shumpert should have been inserted immediately to cover Wade down the stretch and move Jr Smith to Battier.

Shump was moving the ball well all game.

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3/3/2013  5:25 PM
loweyecue wrote:
NYDiva wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Woodson is either going to blame himself and not do anything about it or blame Melo for not taking more shots which happens to be Woodson's offensive strategy. Melo and JR take all the shots while $20mil Amare rots on the bench

Very poor coaching by him today. His offensive strategies tactics and rotations were terrible. Amar'e & Shump being in the game down the stretch makes a world of difference for this team. He's got to fall out of love with JR. I said this during the playoffs. He's not a Russell Westbrook, where his athleticism and talent is so outstanding that you can overlook the chucking and boneheaded play. (And folks kill Westbrook, anyway.) As a coach, you need to know when to play him and when to sit him down. When he's 5-18, you sit him. This is not rocket science.

FIXED. Woody has no offensive strategy,period.

lol, I agree. I don't want to turn on Woody completely but he's coached poorly for a good while now. He'll blame himself for a loss in the postgame but then make no adjustments and I don't get that.

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3/3/2013  5:34 PM
NYDiva wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
NYDiva wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Woodson is either going to blame himself and not do anything about it or blame Melo for not taking more shots which happens to be Woodson's offensive strategy. Melo and JR take all the shots while $20mil Amare rots on the bench

Very poor coaching by him today. His offensive strategies tactics and rotations were terrible. Amar'e & Shump being in the game down the stretch makes a world of difference for this team. He's got to fall out of love with JR. I said this during the playoffs. He's not a Russell Westbrook, where his athleticism and talent is so outstanding that you can overlook the chucking and boneheaded play. (And folks kill Westbrook, anyway.) As a coach, you need to know when to play him and when to sit him down. When he's 5-18, you sit him. This is not rocket science.

FIXED. Woody has no offensive strategy,period.

lol, I agree. I don't want to turn on Woody completely but he's coached poorly for a good while now. He'll blame himself for a loss in the postgame but then make no adjustments and I don't get that.

He's just giving the fans what they want when he says "It's on me". He's much too stubborn to change.

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3/3/2013  6:11 PM
Great game...I can't wait for the layoffs and the knjcks are full strength (Martin, amare, shump).

We are going to go far!

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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3/3/2013  6:13 PM
playa2 wrote:I didn't want to see kidd on the court at the end of the game because he ran out of gas. I t showed when he drove to the basket and couldn't get by Battier and got his layup blocked.

Shumpert should have been inserted immediately to cover Wade down the stretch and move Jr Smith to Battier.

Shump was moving the ball well all game.

Shumpert is really starting to play great D again. He needs to get 4th qtr burn.

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3/3/2013  6:24 PM
babyKnicks wrote:Great game...I can't wait for the layoffs and the knjcks are full strength (Martin, amare, shump).

We are going to go far!

Yeah, let the layoffs begin. I would start with Woody.

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