JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:Lin had a bad game and overall the team seemed a bit off. Not much but just enough to mess up what should've been a win. I'm not really that worried tho, cuz I know this team can play better. This is only one game. The Knicks still have a ton of work to do and it's games like this that make it clear. We still aren't "smooth" on offense and we have defensive lapses.

Lin still has trouble against good defensive teams that take away the PnR and penetration. The C's play a sort of zone where they clog the paint area but can still close out on shooters. They basically play half way between the 3pt line and the paint.

Lin should have attacked a bit more and attempt to finish moves so they couldn't do that. When he watches tape he will adjust. when he penetrated also he had open shooters behind him. Davis did a good job and being more creative with his passes. Vanilla passes are not gonna work against a veteran team like Celtics.

well davis did have 7 turnovers lol

When Lin and Davis both had 6 turnovers at one point with same amount of minutes Davis had 7 assist and Lin had 2. While both good PGs...Davis is way more difficult to contain and read.

well the lakers dallas and pretty much every other team besides the heat had trouble containing lin lol. The celtics didn't really contain lin he just missed some shots and some of his passes were off. im not giving him a pass but it had little to do with boston

that's a disrespect to Boston. Boston definitely watched film. How man passes of Lin got intercepted that are usually clean looks for Novak?

Lakers and Dallas are not as quick as Miami or Boston on the perimeter and in rotations. those two teams might be the quickest and smartest rotating teams in the league. very disciplined. Lin will get better especially getting some pointers from Davis on how to make defenders commit so your passes are easier.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Fact: Since Carmelo's return, Lin has broken 20 points 1 time. Before Carmelo, Lin broke 20 points 8 times.

The chemistry has been crimped, no one can deny this. We were 8-1 without Carmelo and are now 2-3 with Carmelo.

He's a talented player but his presence is too heavy. Lin has been thrown out of the socket like an ugly woman.

I'm not bashing, this isn't bashing, but I'm recognizing a trend here. Believe me, it PAINS me to have to type these words, but someone has to take a stand. For the fans, for you and me, FOR THIS TEAM!

What was the level of competition within those records? How has the team looked in the 5 games since Melo got back..especially the last couple games? Can't just throw out records with no context.

Context?

Context: On the way to 8-1 we beat the LAKERS, MAVS, and JAZZ!

Context: On the way to 2-3, we beat a disinterested Hawks team and a Cavs team that PULLED AHEAD BY 17 ON US! And LOST TO THE NETS, LOST TO THE HEAT (I'll give you that), and now THE OLD, UGLY, CRIPPLED CELTICS.

Context.

Old doesn't mean Bad. this is a quality team. How many contested shots did Pierce & Garnett hit with hands right in their mugs. We did not lose this game because of chemistry between Melo and Lin. Pierce hit a tough 3 pointer.

Nets game we lost cause Deron Williams went bonkers. Was Melo playing defense on him??

Lin and Davis had a tough game. Lin made some great passes inside and Chandler couldn't hold them. For the most part Lin made good passes and Davis was going a bit extreme. Davis is clearly more controlled, Lin is essentially a rookie. We got to keep playing Lin. He didn't have a terrible game. Essentially he almost won us the game but the coach still doesn't like calling to foul when up 3.

I am up in the air with D'Antoni. I say it's up to him to keep his job. I like this offense and I like our defense lately but he isn't calling plays when it counts it seems, still is late to call TO's, and please STOP THE SWITCHING, it is killing us. (doing it so often and when small for big).

JCrusher wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I do not get the sects of fans within the Knicks. It is crazy. Lin, Melo, Amare, blah blah blah. NY knicks. We need them all to play well. I think people are missing a key factor, eventhough he was very off this game we still need him on the floor most of the time untill Baron knocks all the rust off. As bad as the staters did at times the Second unit looked awful in the second half. If the starter pg is going to have 6+ TOs your back up can't try to match him. Another key is defense this team lead early not because they were running it was because of good D. They would have blown this game out if not for TOs because their D was so great. Everyone is looking at the O but the D is what changed. Also Peirce killing everyone but Melo. I know Fields get roasted by fans and 2 guards but I thing his D would have been nice at his natural three instead of Shump or Smith and I love their D skills. It just that most 3s have a size advantage on both.

Exactly. I have been saying that. Why are people taking sides. They all play for our team. Now I understand critiquing bad plays and stuff because thats what fans do but we have to support teh whole team

Exactly!! Perfect example of this was early on..Amare goes 4 for 6 in first half. 2nd half he starts by missing a jumper..first post after. "Man Amare sucks he can't hit that jumper anymore." talk about overreaction.

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:Lin had a bad game and overall the team seemed a bit off. Not much but just enough to mess up what should've been a win. I'm not really that worried tho, cuz I know this team can play better. This is only one game. The Knicks still have a ton of work to do and it's games like this that make it clear. We still aren't "smooth" on offense and we have defensive lapses.

Lin still has trouble against good defensive teams that take away the PnR and penetration. The C's play a sort of zone where they clog the paint area but can still close out on shooters. They basically play half way between the 3pt line and the paint.

Lin should have attacked a bit more and attempt to finish moves so they couldn't do that. When he watches tape he will adjust. when he penetrated also he had open shooters behind him. Davis did a good job and being more creative with his passes. Vanilla passes are not gonna work against a veteran team like Celtics.

well davis did have 7 turnovers lol

When Lin and Davis both had 6 turnovers at one point with same amount of minutes Davis had 7 assist and Lin had 2. While both good PGs...Davis is way more difficult to contain and read.

well the lakers dallas and pretty much every other team besides the heat had trouble containing lin lol. The celtics didn't really contain lin he just missed some shots and some of his passes were off. im not giving him a pass but it had little to do with boston

that's a disrespect to Boston. Boston definitely watched film. How man passes of Lin got intercepted that are usually clean looks for Novak?

Lakers and Dallas are not as quick as Miami or Boston on the perimeter and in rotations. those two teams might be the quickest and smartest rotating teams in the league. very disciplined. Lin will get better especially getting some pointers from Davis on how to make defenders commit so your passes are easier.

You a Boston fan? lol

Nope I Hate Boston but have to recognize what's in front of you when u actually watch the game with no bias. Boston forced Lin to go Left which he doesn't prefer then surrounded him with height and gave him very poor passing lanes.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Fact: Since Carmelo's return, Lin has broken 20 points 1 time. Before Carmelo, Lin broke 20 points 8 times.

The chemistry has been crimped, no one can deny this. We were 8-1 without Carmelo and are now 2-3 with Carmelo.

He's a talented player but his presence is too heavy. Lin has been thrown out of the socket like an ugly woman.

I'm not bashing, this isn't bashing, but I'm recognizing a trend here. Believe me, it PAINS me to have to type these words, but someone has to take a stand. For the fans, for you and me, FOR THIS TEAM!

What was the level of competition within those records? How has the team looked in the 5 games since Melo got back..especially the last couple games? Can't just throw out records with no context.

Context?

Context: On the way to 8-1 we beat the LAKERS, MAVS, and JAZZ!

Context: On the way to 2-3, we beat a disinterested Hawks team and a Cavs team that PULLED AHEAD BY 17 ON US! And LOST TO THE NETS, LOST TO THE HEAT (I'll give you that), and now THE OLD, UGLY, CRIPPLED CELTICS.

Context.

Old doesn't mean Bad. this is a quality team. How many contested shots did Pierce & Garnett hit with hands right in their mugs. We did not lose this game because of chemistry between Melo and Lin. Pierce hit a tough 3 pointer.

Nets game we lost cause Deron Williams went bonkers. Was Melo playing defense on him??

I call this ENABLING behavior.

We want so desperately to believe Melo is a Superstar that, no matter what happens, it's something else, it's never his presence CRIMPING the squad.

I'm taking a stand, FoeDiddy, I'm taking a stand for you, for mrKnickShot, for earl, for SupremeCommander, for TMS, for CHAOS, for Kam77, for ALL THE GOOD PEOPLE OF ULTIMATEKNICKS, I'm taking a STAND by LETTING YOU KNOW, LIKE PAUL REVERE, THAT THIS WILL NEVER WORK, THAT IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL DISRUPTION IN TEAM CHEMISTRY that is causing this MELTDOWN.

So was Melo playing defense on Deron when he went bonkers. you avoiding the question lol

If we won it would have been because of Melo's and Lin's late game heroics.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Novak should've been in for Amar'e in OT.

Funny when your team plays better TEAM basketball when some stars are on the bench.

Chandler missed like the entire 4th it seemed.

Also, I think they should trap Peirce in late clock situations on the dribble hand off. I can live with Kg getting lucky.

it was a trap but a awful trap..Shump didn't play his shooting hand. his hand was up on his non shooting side. He might as well not have even been there.

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Fact: Since Carmelo's return, Lin has broken 20 points 1 time. Before Carmelo, Lin broke 20 points 8 times.

The chemistry has been crimped, no one can deny this. We were 8-1 without Carmelo and are now 2-3 with Carmelo.

He's a talented player but his presence is too heavy. Lin has been thrown out of the socket like an ugly woman.

I'm not bashing, this isn't bashing, but I'm recognizing a trend here. Believe me, it PAINS me to have to type these words, but someone has to take a stand. For the fans, for you and me, FOR THIS TEAM!

What was the level of competition within those records? How has the team looked in the 5 games since Melo got back..especially the last couple games? Can't just throw out records with no context.

Context?

Context: On the way to 8-1 we beat the LAKERS, MAVS, and JAZZ!

Context: On the way to 2-3, we beat a disinterested Hawks team and a Cavs team that PULLED AHEAD BY 17 ON US! And LOST TO THE NETS, LOST TO THE HEAT (I'll give you that), and now THE OLD, UGLY, CRIPPLED CELTICS.

Context.

Old doesn't mean Bad. this is a quality team. How many contested shots did Pierce & Garnett hit with hands right in their mugs. We did not lose this game because of chemistry between Melo and Lin. Pierce hit a tough 3 pointer.

Nets game we lost cause Deron Williams went bonkers. Was Melo playing defense on him??

I call this ENABLING behavior.

We want so desperately to believe Melo is a Superstar that, no matter what happens, it's something else, it's never his presence CRIMPING the squad.

I'm taking a stand, FoeDiddy, I'm taking a stand for you, for mrKnickShot, for earl, for SupremeCommander, for TMS, for CHAOS, for Kam77, for ALL THE GOOD PEOPLE OF ULTIMATEKNICKS, I'm taking a STAND by LETTING YOU KNOW, LIKE PAUL REVERE, THAT THIS WILL NEVER WORK, THAT IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL DISRUPTION IN TEAM CHEMISTRY that is causing this MELTDOWN.

So was Melo playing defense on Deron when he went bonkers. you avoiding the question lol

If we won it would have been because of Melo's and Lin's late game heroics.

On the Real, FoeDiddy:

I see what you're saying, but I'm trying to look at the big picture instead of the details. Yea, we can discuss the specific situations, the plays, and all that jazz music, but the bigger picture, to MY mind, is that Melo's return has disrupted the fragile balance the team had on that 8-1 streak.

You feel this disruption. The team feels it, absolutely. As a fan, doesn't it feel like the focus is more on Melo now than the Team?

When they were on the Lin Streak, going 8-1, we would watch the game and think "I like this TEAM", now we watch the games and we CAN'T HELP but focus on Melo, how MELO IS DOING with the team. No one can deny this, this is actually going on. In the same way we feel it, the team surely feels it.

It's a different team since the return.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Fact: Since Carmelo's return, Lin has broken 20 points 1 time. Before Carmelo, Lin broke 20 points 8 times.

The chemistry has been crimped, no one can deny this. We were 8-1 without Carmelo and are now 2-3 with Carmelo.

He's a talented player but his presence is too heavy. Lin has been thrown out of the socket like an ugly woman.

I'm not bashing, this isn't bashing, but I'm recognizing a trend here. Believe me, it PAINS me to have to type these words, but someone has to take a stand. For the fans, for you and me, FOR THIS TEAM!

What was the level of competition within those records? How has the team looked in the 5 games since Melo got back..especially the last couple games? Can't just throw out records with no context.

Context?

Context: On the way to 8-1 we beat the LAKERS, MAVS, and JAZZ!

Context: On the way to 2-3, we beat a disinterested Hawks team and a Cavs team that PULLED AHEAD BY 17 ON US! And LOST TO THE NETS, LOST TO THE HEAT (I'll give you that), and now THE OLD, UGLY, CRIPPLED CELTICS.

Context.

Old doesn't mean Bad. this is a quality team. How many contested shots did Pierce & Garnett hit with hands right in their mugs. We did not lose this game because of chemistry between Melo and Lin. Pierce hit a tough 3 pointer.

Nets game we lost cause Deron Williams went bonkers. Was Melo playing defense on him??

I call this ENABLING behavior.

We want so desperately to believe Melo is a Superstar that, no matter what happens, it's something else, it's never his presence CRIMPING the squad.

I'm taking a stand, FoeDiddy, I'm taking a stand for you, for mrKnickShot, for earl, for SupremeCommander, for TMS, for CHAOS, for Kam77, for ALL THE GOOD PEOPLE OF ULTIMATEKNICKS, I'm taking a STAND by LETTING YOU KNOW, LIKE PAUL REVERE, THAT THIS WILL NEVER WORK, THAT IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL DISRUPTION IN TEAM CHEMISTRY that is causing this MELTDOWN.

So was Melo playing defense on Deron when he went bonkers. you avoiding the question lol

If we won it would have been because of Melo's and Lin's late game heroics.

On the Real, FoeDiddy:

I see what you're saying, but I'm trying to look at the big picture instead of the details. Yea, we can discuss the specific situations, the plays, and all that jazz music, but the bigger picture, to MY mind, is that Melo's return has disrupted the fragile balance the team had on that 8-1 streak.

You feel this disruption. The team feels it, absolutely. As a fan, doesn't it feel like the focus is more on Melo now than the Team?

When they were on the Lin Streak, going 8-1, we would watch the game and think "I like this TEAM", now we watch the games and we CAN'T HELP but focus on Melo, how MELO IS DOING with the team. No one can deny this, this is actually going on. In the same way we feel it, the team surely feels it.

It's a different team since the return.

I actually love the team and love the energy and dynamics of both units. this Team wins and loses together. But the brand of basketball has been great in my opinion. That was a fun game to watch. At the end of the day we want our team to win but we want to be entertained too. This team is entertaining and I'm loving rooting for them again. much better then early in the season.