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Pharzeone wrote:Pau Gasol showing the world just how overrated he is by everyone. Made a note to call out KG early in the series and since then has been KG's you know what. Everybody is blocking his shot and pushing him around. The only thing missing is Nate to come up a block him straight up. Best big man in the game my ascot.

funny. i sent out a mass text to Laker fans saying the same thing. He was a dummy for that. I dont know what he was thinking. Say what you want about KG, but that is a proud and talented cat, and Gasoft called him out in the worst way. Pau sure as hell aint built to bark like that. Ever since KG has been on a mission. This is his last stand.

Pau been getting bullied ever since. Not as easy as when he was playing against 6'7 power forwards.

you guys are ragging on gasol? he's had 1 bad game. up until last nights game, he's averaging 20pts/9rebs/3blks a game. gimme a break, gasol has been the only other guy playing with bean.

pharz, seb (in the words of mark jackson ... you are better than that.

He ate KG's lunch the first game --- then he made those retarded comments. In game 2, KG was neutralized due to foul trouble but ever since he's been possessed. Pau has been a nonfactor ever since. Empty stats dont mean shyt now and he's not impacting the games.

You say one bad game as if its a march game against the grizzlies. In a pivotal game 5 duke didnt even score 10 pts. And up until a few days ago, people were saying he was the best PF in the league.

but what's that say about garnett pierce and allen? all 3 have had some pretty crap games against the lakers this series.

KG is done. Funny, because what Pau said about him was true --- its just that KG has a heart of a lion and is literally willing himself at this point. Pierce is a perimeter player and they're just going to have off nights.

But Gasol is a 7ft. power forward. He's gotta mash and impact every game. Thats why that position is so critical. Especially for somebody the lakers are relying on.

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Pharzeone wrote:Pau Gasol showing the world just how overrated he is by everyone. Made a note to call out KG early in the series and since then has been KG's you know what. Everybody is blocking his shot and pushing him around. The only thing missing is Nate to come up a block him straight up. Best big man in the game my ascot.

funny. i sent out a mass text to Laker fans saying the same thing. He was a dummy for that. I dont know what he was thinking. Say what you want about KG, but that is a proud and talented cat, and Gasoft called him out in the worst way. Pau sure as hell aint built to bark like that. Ever since KG has been on a mission. This is his last stand.

Pau been getting bullied ever since. Not as easy as when he was playing against 6'7 power forwards.

you guys are ragging on gasol? he's had 1 bad game. up until last nights game, he's averaging 20pts/9rebs/3blks a game. gimme a break, gasol has been the only other guy playing with bean.

pharz, seb (in the words of mark jackson ... you are better than that.

He ate KG's lunch the first game --- then he made those retarded comments. In game 2, KG was neutralized due to foul trouble but ever since he's been possessed. Pau has been a nonfactor ever since. Empty stats dont mean shyt now and he's not impacting the games.

You say one bad game as if its a march game against the grizzlies. In a pivotal game 5 duke didnt even score 10 pts. And up until a few days ago, people were saying he was the best PF in the league.

but what's that say about garnett pierce and allen? all 3 have had some pretty crap games against the lakers this series.

KG is done. Funny, because what Pau said about him was true --- its just that KG has a heart of a lion and is literally willing himself at this point. Pierce is a perimeter player and they're just going to have off nights.

But Gasol is a 7ft. power forward. He's gotta mash and impact every game. Thats why that position is so critical. Especially for somebody the lakers are relying on.

i'm not disagreeing with you that he had a bad game, but to just go back and say he's soft after he's had a fantastic postseason is a bit unfair, imo.

you're still a soulja boy lovin bitch either way

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Pharzeone wrote:Pau Gasol showing the world just how overrated he is by everyone. Made a note to call out KG early in the series and since then has been KG's you know what. Everybody is blocking his shot and pushing him around. The only thing missing is Nate to come up a block him straight up. Best big man in the game my ascot.

funny. i sent out a mass text to Laker fans saying the same thing. He was a dummy for that. I dont know what he was thinking. Say what you want about KG, but that is a proud and talented cat, and Gasoft called him out in the worst way. Pau sure as hell aint built to bark like that. Ever since KG has been on a mission. This is his last stand.

Pau been getting bullied ever since. Not as easy as when he was playing against 6'7 power forwards.

you guys are ragging on gasol? he's had 1 bad game. up until last nights game, he's averaging 20pts/9rebs/3blks a game. gimme a break, gasol has been the only other guy playing with bean.

pharz, seb (in the words of mark jackson ... you are better than that.

He ate KG's lunch the first game --- then he made those retarded comments. In game 2, KG was neutralized due to foul trouble but ever since he's been possessed. Pau has been a nonfactor ever since. Empty stats dont mean shyt now and he's not impacting the games.

You say one bad game as if its a march game against the grizzlies. In a pivotal game 5 duke didnt even score 10 pts. And up until a few days ago, people were saying he was the best PF in the league.

but what's that say about garnett pierce and allen? all 3 have had some pretty crap games against the lakers this series.

KG is done. Funny, because what Pau said about him was true --- its just that KG has a heart of a lion and is literally willing himself at this point. Pierce is a perimeter player and they're just going to have off nights.

But Gasol is a 7ft. power forward. He's gotta mash and impact every game. Thats why that position is so critical. Especially for somebody the lakers are relying on.

i'm not disagreeing with you that he had a bad game, but to just go back and say he's soft after he's had a fantastic postseason is a bit unfair, imo.

you're still a soulja boy lovin bitch either way

Gasol got his lil' moves and everything, but he's soft.

And Soulja boy shytted on the game when he dropped this: A Club monster, real saliva!

KnicksSince88 wrote:The whole Pau is soft thing is so overdone. The problem, much like 08, is hes not getting enough shots. Period. He's averaging 12 shot attempts per game in these finals, and hes not passing up shots, they just aren't getting him the ball in his spots, when they do hes been ultra effective. They would be so much more efficient offensively if they fed him more. That offense should be 1/1a with Kobe, but i don't think Kobe's personality would ever allow it to happen

You got Kobe taking 24 shots a game in this series to Pau's 12. Doubling him up. Thats not their best formula IMO. If you have 36 shots a game between the two of them, it should be much closer to an even split. Pau is unbelievably skilled and efficient on the offensive end and hes not getting a chance to showcase it. And when he doesn't, its hard for him to have his biggest impact

thats part of the equation to him being soft. Did you see shaq taking a backseat to Kobe? He needs to demand the ball and call Kobe out, either publicly or privately. He has the clout to do that.

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KnicksSince88 wrote:The whole Pau is soft thing is so overdone. The problem, much like 08, is hes not getting enough shots. Period. He's averaging 12 shot attempts per game in these finals, and hes not passing up shots, they just aren't getting him the ball in his spots, when they do hes been ultra effective. They would be so much more efficient offensively if they fed him more. That offense should be 1/1a with Kobe, but i don't think Kobe's personality would ever allow it to happen

You got Kobe taking 24 shots a game in this series to Pau's 12. Doubling him up. Thats not their best formula IMO. If you have 36 shots a game between the two of them, it should be much closer to an even split. Pau is unbelievably skilled and efficient on the offensive end and hes not getting a chance to showcase it. And when he doesn't, its hard for him to have his biggest impact

thats part of the equation to him being soft. Did you see shaq taking a backseat to Kobe? He needs to demand the ball and call Kobe out, either publicly or privately. He has the clout to do that.

On some level i can see what you are saying, but i disagree. The dynamic with Shaq is different than it is with Pau. You can't really compare it to Shaq. Shaq was the best player in the sport and had a young Kobe. Pau has an established Kobe who basically owns the city and is a legend. I can see why he would not want to step on Kobe's toes especially given how we see how Kobe can react to that.

Pau is a skilled European so he automatically gets the soft label. I'm not going to take Pau in a fist fight against Kendrick Perkins, but who cares. Hes battling down low, hes been a factor on the glass, hes been fine defensively. I don't see him playing soft and shying away from contact. Matter of fact I see him instigating a bunch of stuff after plays with KG, Sheed, Perkins. Matter of fact I think sometimes he goes overboard to try and show hes not soft. He's not playing soft. Hes just not getting the ball

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KnicksSince88 wrote:The whole Pau is soft thing is so overdone. The problem, much like 08, is hes not getting enough shots. Period. He's averaging 12 shot attempts per game in these finals, and hes not passing up shots, they just aren't getting him the ball in his spots, when they do hes been ultra effective. They would be so much more efficient offensively if they fed him more. That offense should be 1/1a with Kobe, but i don't think Kobe's personality would ever allow it to happen

You got Kobe taking 24 shots a game in this series to Pau's 12. Doubling him up. Thats not their best formula IMO. If you have 36 shots a game between the two of them, it should be much closer to an even split. Pau is unbelievably skilled and efficient on the offensive end and hes not getting a chance to showcase it. And when he doesn't, its hard for him to have his biggest impact

thats part of the equation to him being soft. Did you see shaq taking a backseat to Kobe? He needs to demand the ball and call Kobe out, either publicly or privately. He has the clout to do that.

On some level i can see what you are saying, but i disagree. The dynamic with Shaq is different than it is with Pau. You can't really compare it to Shaq. Shaq was the best player in the sport and had a young Kobe. Pau has an established Kobe who basically owns the city and is a legend. I can see why he would not want to step on Kobe's toes especially given how we see how Kobe can react to that.

Pau is a skilled European so he automatically gets the soft label. I'm not going to take Pau in a fist fight against Kendrick Perkins, but who cares. Hes battling down low, hes been a factor on the glass, hes been fine defensively. I don't see him playing soft and shying away from contact. Matter of fact I see him instigating a bunch of stuff after plays with KG, Sheed, Perkins. Matter of fact I think sometimes he goes overboard to try and show hes not soft. He's not playing soft. Hes just not getting the ball

I understand it can be intimidating to challenge Kobe, but now is not the time to lack aggression.

And lets face it...He's passive. He lets the game come to him. Perkins and KG are pushing him around right now. Part of the reason why he isnt getting touches is because he's getting bullied and muscled out of position.

Pharzeone wrote:Give Gasol more shots are you kidding. Kobe had to do about everything last night to motivate Gasol. In his face, patting him on the back, everything. This guy is a frontrunner. The Celtics know that. You now have every Celtic in this guy head. Like I said the only guy not to challenge his shot has been Nate and you know it's coming. No one wants to hear it but you just don't earn a tag as soft without at least some truth being attach to it. Ever since KG regained form Gasol has been on the steady decline in the series.

Yea Im kidding. The best offensive big man in the sport should only be taking 12 shots a game, thats perfectly reasonable (sarcasm off). And the soft stuff is again so incredibly overdone. Maybe he should make some Sprewell scowls running up the floor or hit his chest like Garnett and you'd stop bothering him. Its foolishness. I don't see a player shying away from physical play. I see a player who is simply not getting the ball enough, in part because Kobe wants to dominate this stage and all the accolades that would come with it. Compounding it is all the attention the boston D is giving Kobe. He should be shooting less in this series than past series, not more.

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Pharzeone wrote:Give Gasol more shots are you kidding. Kobe had to do about everything last night to motivate Gasol. In his face, patting him on the back, everything. This guy is a frontrunner. The Celtics know that. You now have every Celtic in this guy head. Like I said the only guy not to challenge his shot has been Nate and you know it's coming. No one wants to hear it but you just don't earn a tag as soft without at least some truth being attach to it. Ever since KG regained form Gasol has been on the steady decline in the series.

Yea Im kidding. The best offensive big man in the sport should only be taking 12 shots a game, thats perfectly reasonable (sarcasm off). And the soft stuff is again so incredibly overdone. Maybe he should make some Sprewell scowls running up the floor or hit his chest like Garnett and you'd stop bothering him. Its foolishness. I don't see a player shying away from physical play. I see a player who is simply not getting the ball enough, in part because Kobe wants to dominate this stage and all the accolades that would come with it. Compounding it is all the attention the boston D is giving Kobe. He should be shooting less in this series than past series, not more.

5 Kevin Garnett PF 34 6-11 253
11 Glen Davis PF 24 6-9 289
43 Kendrick Perkins C 25 6-10 280
30 Rasheed Wallace C 35 6-11 230
13 Shelden Williams PF 26 6-9 250

Potentially 36 fouls. To me maybe I'm thinking I gotta go in the middle of that I'm wearin' body armor and bringing a 6 gun.
And you think Gasol isn't fading without Bynum? C'mon.

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Pharzeone wrote:Give Gasol more shots are you kidding. Kobe had to do about everything last night to motivate Gasol. In his face, patting him on the back, everything. This guy is a frontrunner. The Celtics know that. You now have every Celtic in this guy head. Like I said the only guy not to challenge his shot has been Nate and you know it's coming. No one wants to hear it but you just don't earn a tag as soft without at least some truth being attach to it. Ever since KG regained form Gasol has been on the steady decline in the series.

Yea Im kidding. The best offensive big man in the sport should only be taking 12 shots a game, thats perfectly reasonable (sarcasm off). And the soft stuff is again so incredibly overdone. Maybe he should make some Sprewell scowls running up the floor or hit his chest like Garnett and you'd stop bothering him. Its foolishness. I don't see a player shying away from physical play. I see a player who is simply not getting the ball enough, in part because Kobe wants to dominate this stage and all the accolades that would come with it. Compounding it is all the attention the boston D is giving Kobe. He should be shooting less in this series than past series, not more.

5 Kevin Garnett PF 34 6-11 253
11 Glen Davis PF 24 6-9 289
43 Kendrick Perkins C 25 6-10 280
30 Rasheed Wallace C 35 6-11 230
13 Shelden Williams PF 26 6-9 250

Potentially 36 fouls. To me maybe I'm thinking I gotta go in the middle of that I'm wearin' body armor and bringing a 6 gun.
And you think Gasol isn't fading without Bynum? C'mon.

Pau has been hands down the best frontcourt player in this series on either team. Even with the limited shot attempts. Not even up for a discussion. He's also the leading rebounder in this series (BY FAR), on either team, which says something for someone who is so incredibly soft to many around here. He's averaging 10 per game and the next closest guy on either team is averaging 6.8. Outrebounding the next closest player in the series by far. Its amazing from the softest guy on the floor

Get the ball in his hands more and let him go to work

Then again, Im rooting for Boston. So I want to see more of Kobe jacking up tough contested shots against a swarming defense designed to stop him, as Pau's offensive brilliance stays on the shelf. Give me another 28 shot attempt effort from Bryant in game 5 with Pau down in the 11-12 range. It works for Boston. Worked in 08 too

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KnicksSince88 wrote:The whole Pau is soft thing is so overdone. The problem, much like 08, is hes not getting enough shots. Period. He's averaging 12 shot attempts per game in these finals, and hes not passing up shots, they just aren't getting him the ball in his spots, when they do hes been ultra effective. They would be so much more efficient offensively if they fed him more. That offense should be 1/1a with Kobe, but i don't think Kobe's personality would ever allow it to happen

You got Kobe taking 24 shots a game in this series to Pau's 12. Doubling him up. Thats not their best formula IMO. If you have 36 shots a game between the two of them, it should be much closer to an even split. Pau is unbelievably skilled and efficient on the offensive end and hes not getting a chance to showcase it. And when he doesn't, its hard for him to have his biggest impact

thats part of the equation to him being soft. Did you see shaq taking a backseat to Kobe? He needs to demand the ball and call Kobe out, either publicly or privately. He has the clout to do that.

Yikes. That's a stretch.

what is?

It's a stretch to call him soft because you're assuming he hasn't privately discussed the need for more shots, with no factual information to back up this claim. Maybe the reason why the shots are how they are is being dictated by coach Jackson; I mean Kobe is the best player in the NBA. I also agree with the point made by KS88 that Pau and Shaq have had very different roles on the Lakers, and Kobe's role is very different than it was when he played with Shaq. You're comparing apples and oranges -- that's why I said it was a stretch to have that as your argument that Pau is soft.

I don't see how anyone who is being reasonable could call Pau soft. Maybe earlier in his career, but not now.

last night Pau was playing real soft... getting pushed around under the rim, outhustled for loose balls by smaller dudes, not defending the lane vs. penetration... he looked very Knick-like last night.

Strange you would mention that, I thought it was Kobe and the Isiah Knicks that showed up yesterday. No one else had hit double figures with 2.48 left on the clock in Q4!! Celts in 6.