dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Actually, "one guy and some support" is a pretty good description of this year's title team

BINGO.....If you go from Series 1 Game 1 to Series 4 Game 7

Interesting... so basically wade and bosh are regular-season performers (bosh moreso than wade as a rule) and the playoff performers were in the deeper part of their rotation.

i mean lets face it battier and chalmers had timely good games in the finals. bosh had a couple of impact plays but his role was minimal over 7 games. wade a bit better but still...

Some posters here were clowning Wade in the Pacers series but because he put up a 32pt game in an OT Finals Game(that should have never been) then it makes up for all the Big 3 schtick.

Crazy thing is Lebron and the Cavs had cap space the summer of 2012 but nope he couldn't wait, Lebron had to collude 4yrs prior to. There was nothing Cleveland could have done short of getting Wade and Bosh traded to Cleveland.

lol @ Uptown trying to cite what options the players were instead of comparing positions and roles...like I aptly and correctly did team for team. Doesn't matter that Chalmers in his eyes was a 5th option.....there were several gms he played during the playoffs better than the supposed 2nd option in Wade...

Haslem/Chalmers/Battier/Miller had more gms of impact(statistically and play wise) than Wade and Bosh throughout the playoffs and that is fact......

so if the big 3 is nonsense-- and of course i agree-- what is the answer for the knicks... or is it hopeless?

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Actually, "one guy and some support" is a pretty good description of this year's title team

BINGO.....If you go from Series 1 Game 1 to Series 4 Game 7

Interesting... so basically wade and bosh are regular-season performers (bosh moreso than wade as a rule) and the playoff performers were in the deeper part of their rotation.

i mean lets face it battier and chalmers had timely good games in the finals. bosh had a couple of impact plays but his role was minimal over 7 games. wade a bit better but still...

Some posters here were clowning Wade in the Pacers series but because he put up a 32pt game in an OT Finals Game(that should have never been) then it makes up for all the Big 3 schtick.

Crazy thing is Lebron and the Cavs had cap space the summer of 2012 but nope he couldn't wait, Lebron had to collude 4yrs prior to. There was nothing Cleveland could have done short of getting Wade and Bosh traded to Cleveland.

lol @ Uptown trying to cite what options the players were instead of comparing positions and roles...like I aptly and correctly did team for team. Doesn't matter that Chalmers in his eyes was a 5th option.....there were several gms he played during the playoffs better than the supposed 2nd option in Wade...

Haslem/Chalmers/Battier/Miller had more gms of impact(statistically and play wise) than Wade and Bosh throughout the playoffs and that is fact......

so if the big 3 is nonsense-- and of course i agree-- what is the answer for the knicks... or is it hopeless?

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Actually, "one guy and some support" is a pretty good description of this year's title team

BINGO.....If you go from Series 1 Game 1 to Series 4 Game 7

Interesting... so basically wade and bosh are regular-season performers (bosh moreso than wade as a rule) and the playoff performers were in the deeper part of their rotation.

i mean lets face it battier and chalmers had timely good games in the finals. bosh had a couple of impact plays but his role was minimal over 7 games. wade a bit better but still...

Some posters here were clowning Wade in the Pacers series but because he put up a 32pt game in an OT Finals Game(that should have never been) then it makes up for all the Big 3 schtick.

Crazy thing is Lebron and the Cavs had cap space the summer of 2012 but nope he couldn't wait, Lebron had to collude 4yrs prior to. There was nothing Cleveland could have done short of getting Wade and Bosh traded to Cleveland.

lol @ Uptown trying to cite what options the players were instead of comparing positions and roles...like I aptly and correctly did team for team. Doesn't matter that Chalmers in his eyes was a 5th option.....there were several gms he played during the playoffs better than the supposed 2nd option in Wade...

Haslem/Chalmers/Battier/Miller had more gms of impact(statistically and play wise) than Wade and Bosh throughout the playoffs and that is fact......

First Finals Lebron played like trash and Lost

Second Finals Lebron played very good and Won

Third Finals Lebron played hot and cold and Won

That's as much Paper Rock Scissors as it gets and he could have accomplished the same if he stayed in Cleveland(got him better help), Clippers(played with Blake/Jordan/Bledsoe), Chicago(Derrick Rose/Noah), New Jersey(Brook Lopez, Free Agent, picks), New York(Stat/Gallo/Chandler)

Combination of everything really if he's an All-Time Greatest Ever right?

How are you comparing position by position and conveniently leave out 2 of Miami's starters? And what point are you trying to make here. Obviously Lebron is a more complete player than he was in his first trip to the finals with the Cavs.

It strange how you bash Melo for being selfish and not being a player that you can build around, yet, you bash Lebron who is everything that your posts claim you want in a player. So, I'm wondering if your dislike for him has anything to do with your fan-dom of Jordan and Bulls. A lot die-hard Jordan that I know can't stand Lebron because of all the comparisons....

I mentioned Miami's starters and compared them to West and Hickson...yes better but Wade and Bosh in the Finals and overall throughout weren't BIG 3 better..they were better ROLE PLAYERS per say.

Lebron is pretty much everything you want a player to be in terms of execution and he's a very good TEAMMATE. I don't like Lebron THE PERSON and I think he's a jerk. He's a flopper, a traveler, mentally weak at times, and protected(by the league) in many cases.... much of what Melo isn't to his defense.

Lebron's talents at some point in time were going to take over and accomplish the ultimate goal. Does anybody in their right mind honestly believe had he stayed in Cleveland his whole career he was never going to win? Does anyone honestly believe Stern would allow that?

He didn't need a Big 3 in order to win. He needed to mentally challenge himself to overcome the struggle, instead he cut corners and chose the path of least resistance. I guess smart from an end goal standpoint but from a RESPECT level nope I have nada for him and never will.

This generation of players feel ENTITLED to win TITLES...instead of EARNING them. As of now Durant is the only player who represents THE PURE STRUGGLE. I hope he doesn't sell out and collude.

I could care less if Lebron wins 18 titles...he's not Jordan and it has nothing to do with Jordan. Hell Lebron isn't even Magic. You know the Legend I actually referred to in comparison to Lebron in the more recent discussion

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Actually, "one guy and some support" is a pretty good description of this year's title team

BINGO.....If you go from Series 1 Game 1 to Series 4 Game 7

Interesting... so basically wade and bosh are regular-season performers (bosh moreso than wade as a rule) and the playoff performers were in the deeper part of their rotation.

i mean lets face it battier and chalmers had timely good games in the finals. bosh had a couple of impact plays but his role was minimal over 7 games. wade a bit better but still...

Some posters here were clowning Wade in the Pacers series but because he put up a 32pt game in an OT Finals Game(that should have never been) then it makes up for all the Big 3 schtick.

Crazy thing is Lebron and the Cavs had cap space the summer of 2012 but nope he couldn't wait, Lebron had to collude 4yrs prior to. There was nothing Cleveland could have done short of getting Wade and Bosh traded to Cleveland.

lol @ Uptown trying to cite what options the players were instead of comparing positions and roles...like I aptly and correctly did team for team. Doesn't matter that Chalmers in his eyes was a 5th option.....there were several gms he played during the playoffs better than the supposed 2nd option in Wade...

Haslem/Chalmers/Battier/Miller had more gms of impact(statistically and play wise) than Wade and Bosh throughout the playoffs and that is fact......

First Finals Lebron played like trash and Lost

Second Finals Lebron played very good and Won

Third Finals Lebron played hot and cold and Won

That's as much Paper Rock Scissors as it gets and he could have accomplished the same if he stayed in Cleveland(got him better help), Clippers(played with Blake/Jordan/Bledsoe), Chicago(Derrick Rose/Noah), New Jersey(Brook Lopez, Free Agent, picks), New York(Stat/Gallo/Chandler)

Combination of everything really if he's an All-Time Greatest Ever right?

How are you comparing position by position and conveniently leave out 2 of Miami's starters? And what point are you trying to make here. Obviously Lebron is a more complete player than he was in his first trip to the finals with the Cavs.

It strange how you bash Melo for being selfish and not being a player that you can build around, yet, you bash Lebron who is everything that your posts claim you want in a player. So, I'm wondering if your dislike for him has anything to do with your fan-dom of Jordan and Bulls. A lot die-hard Jordan that I know can't stand Lebron because of all the comparisons....

I mentioned Miami's starters and compared them to West and Hickson...yes better but Wade and Bosh in the Finals and overall throughout weren't BIG 3 better..they were better ROLE PLAYERS per say.

Lebron is pretty much everything you want a player to be in terms of execution and he's a very good TEAMMATE. I don't like Lebron THE PERSON and I think he's a jerk. He's a flopper, a traveler, mentally weak at times, and protected(by the league) in many cases.... much of what Melo isn't to his defense.

Lebron's talents at some point in time were going to take over and accomplish the ultimate goal. Does anybody in their right mind honestly believe had he stayed in Cleveland his whole career he was never going to win? Does anyone honestly believe Stern would allow that?

He didn't need a Big 3 in order to win. He needed to mentally challenge himself to overcome the struggle, instead he cut corners and chose the path of least resistance. I guess smart from an end goal standpoint but from a RESPECT level nope I have nada for him and never will.

This generation of players feel ENTITLED to win TITLES...instead of EARNING them. As of now Durant is the only player who represents THE PURE STRUGGLE. I hope he doesn't sell out and collude.

I could care less if Lebron wins 18 titles...he's not Jordan and it has nothing to do with Jordan. Hell Lebron isn't even Magic. You know the Legend I actually referred to in comparison to Lebron in the more recent discussion

Lebron is pretty much everything you want a player to be in terms of execution and he's a very good TEAMMATE. I don't like Lebron THE PERSON and I think he's a jerk. He's a flopper, a traveler, mentally weak at times, and protected(by the league) in many cases.... much of what Melo isn't to his defense.

As a basketball fan, I try to separate the TMZ nonsense from the court. I'm not too concerned what these guys do off the court, but since you brought it there, Lebron is a Nobel Peace Prize candidate compared to some of the vile-sh%$ Jordan pulled during his playing days particularly to his own teammates and management (Krause), which some of it was down right evil. And no-one was more protected by the league (Stern) than Jordan was, ever, and you know you this so why are you even trying to go there.

As far as Lebron being mentally weak, keep in mind, we've watched this kid grow since HS. We've seen every game he's played through all the ups and down. The coverage of him in this day and age of all-access is unprecedented, like watching the Truman show. But lets not pretend we haven't seen other superstars have mentally weak moments on the big stage. Must I remind you of Magic in game 7 of the 1984 championship game where he had a mental break down and cost the Lakers a championship?

Lebron's talents at some point in time were going to take over and accomplish the ultimate goal. Does anybody in their right mind honestly believe had he stayed in Cleveland his whole career he was never going to win? Does anyone honestly believe Stern would allow that?

He didn't need a Big 3 in order to win. He needed to mentally challenge himself to overcome the struggle, instead he cut corners and chose the path of least resistance. I guess smart from an end goal standpoint but from a RESPECT level nope I have nada for him and never will.

Hard to say whether he would have ever won in Cleveland. The were cap-strapped at the time and had peaked in 07 when Lebron dragged them to the finals. No-one was clamoring to get to Cleveland to play with him except over the hill stars (Shaq). No, he didn't need a big 3, but he needed a running mate to win like Jordan needed Pippen, Bird needed McHale and Parrish, etc. Winning championships involve some luck as well, Magic was fortunate enough to get drafted to a ready-made championship team that was one piece away. Everyone isn't as lucky. David Robinson would be ring-less if he never got hurt the same year Duncan entered the draft. Hakeem would be ring-less if Jordan decided not to play baseball.

This is the era of Free Agency where players move more freely than in the past. In the past, instead of moving via free agency, players just forced trades. Barkley forced a trade from a bad team, to one that was ready to win a 'chip yet no-one lost respect for him. Oscar Robertson was traded so he could win a championship aswell...

And here's what Bill Russell had to say about Lebron moving via free agency: Russell "When he left Cleveland, I had absolutely no problem with that. To me, it was a real expression of free agency. In my time, we had worked hard to get that to be a reality. In fact, I was very pleased." But I guess, Russell is a tool too.

This generation of players feel ENTITLED to win TITLES...instead of EARNING them. As of now Durant is the only player who represents THE PURE STRUGGLE. I hope he doesn't sell out and collude.

Cant disagree about the sense of entitlement from this generation. That extends beyond the basketball court into society as a whole. I see it everyday in the classroom....And LOL at Durant representing a sense of struggle. Dude has played most of his career up until this point with two of the top 20 players in the league, with Westbrook being in the top 10. The teams he's played with are far more talented than anything Lebron played with in Cleveland.

I could care less if Lebron wins 18 titles...he's not Jordan and it has nothing to do with Jordan. Hell Lebron isn't even Magic. You know the Legend I actually referred to in comparison to Lebron in the more recent discussion

You mean the legend (or tool as you called him) that pretty much said that Lebron is a better player than himself? What about Larry Legend (another tool, I'm sure) who said when its all said and done, Lebron will probably be better than all of them. Or Charles Barkley (tool #3) who said, 'by the time Lebron finishes, thats going to be a legitimate question (is he better than Jordan).

Magic the PLAYER is a LEGEND

Magic the Color Analyst is a TOOL

GET IT

GOT IT

GOOD

Back in 2010 when Lebron lost and he was asked about his critics and the Big 3 failing on the first try his reply was....They Have To Go Back And Live Their Regular Boring Life....."I'm Still Lebron James"

Oh really so it was like that...then spent the off-season reflecting doing interviews at the onset of the next season..... saying he didn't enjoy being looked at in a Vilified Aspect

2012 He was asked again about his critics after winning his 2nd Championship and he said..."I Can't Worry About Them I'm A Champion...I Ain't Got No Worries"....a play off Little Wayne's song although Little Wayne dissed the Heat something fierce this season.

Dude is a Front Runner who happens to be better than everyone else right now, simply doesn't carry himself as well as he should to the public as a sport athlete...

Go ahead and adore him though because we're not beating him anytime soon

tkf wrote:yea, wayne can't stand him or the heat players.... and he has the nerve to be quoting him.. as you said, he is a front runner, and he happens to be the best player today, but for me,when comparing him to other players in recent history I mean 80's and 90's, I don't place him as high..

I edited the post to show the Youtube video of Lebron in action....

Remember he and Danny Green used to Dance in Cleveland on the sideline and Noah told him to cut that ish out because it was Corny? Lebron didn't dance much after that season flopped in Cleveland during the playoffs the following year with Elbow Gate and ran to Miami with his butt buddies...What A Fraud Of A Legend....

3G4G wrote:Uptown

Magic the PLAYER is a LEGEND

Magic the Color Analyst is a TOOL

GET IT

GOT IT

GOOD

Back in 2010 when Lebron lost and he was asked about his critics and the Big 3 failing on the first try his reply was....They Have To Go Back And Live Their Regular Boring Life....."I'm Still Lebron James"

Oh really so it was like that...then spent the off-season reflecting doing interviews at the onset of the next season..... saying he didn't enjoy being looked at in a Vilified Aspect

2012 He was asked again about his critics after winning his 2nd Championship and he said..."I Can't Worry About Them I'm A Champion...I Ain't Got No Worries"....a play off Little Wayne's song although Little Wayne dissed the Heat something fierce this season.

Dude is a Front Runner who happens to be better than everyone else right now, simply doesn't carry himself as well as he should to the public as a sport athlete...

Go ahead and adore him though because we're not beating him anytime soon

So you post examples of Lebron giving-it back to his critics, most of whom had an axe to grind of some sorts as a way to show some character flaws, I guess. Yet you still worship the guy who infuriated his teammates:

In the locker room Michael Jordan resorted to trying to embarrass Cartwright in front of the team. He was offensive to the point that afterward, Cartwright pulled him to the side and said

"Look, if you ever do anything like that again, you will never play basketball again because I will break both of your legs."

You probably never heard about that though, because MJ can do no wrong.

Another incident includes an actual physical confrontation with a teammate. The Bulls were in practice when Will Perdue laid a hard screen on Jordan. Imagine someone playing hard in practice!

This did not sit well with His Airness. He was infuriated to the point where he felt it necessary to punch Purdue in the face. Yes, you read right. To PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE.

Not only did Jordan get physical with Will Perdue, he also felt the need to punch Steve Kerr in the face! Jordan and Kerr were known to have two different opinions on the Collective Bargaining Agreement that was being voted on.

Imagine LeBron James punching one of his nice guy teammates in the face like say, Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Imagine what the initial reaction and backlash would be if this happened. Everyone would have a field day crucifying him. But not so for His Airness... his reputation gets a pass.

Not to mention Jordan at one point had ran up gambling debts into the millions of dollars. Kept Isiah off the Olympic team, and theres no need to mention his marriage...

I dont usually like to get into the off the court stuff, but the fact that you keep trying to build a case as to why Lebron is some sort bad guy and yet you worship Jordan at the same time is laughable...

I'm Knick fan but I'm also a die-hard basketball fan who appreciates great teams and great players. I do not adore Lebron, but I appreciate Lebron's talent, the same way I appreciated Isiah, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Hakeem, Penny, etc I guess we can just agree to disagree....

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:Uptown

Magic the PLAYER is a LEGEND

Magic the Color Analyst is a TOOL

GET IT

GOT IT

GOOD

Back in 2010 when Lebron lost and he was asked about his critics and the Big 3 failing on the first try his reply was....They Have To Go Back And Live Their Regular Boring Life....."I'm Still Lebron James"

Oh really so it was like that...then spent the off-season reflecting doing interviews at the onset of the next season..... saying he didn't enjoy being looked at in a Vilified Aspect

2012 He was asked again about his critics after winning his 2nd Championship and he said..."I Can't Worry About Them I'm A Champion...I Ain't Got No Worries"....a play off Little Wayne's song although Little Wayne dissed the Heat something fierce this season.

Dude is a Front Runner who happens to be better than everyone else right now, simply doesn't carry himself as well as he should to the public as a sport athlete...

Go ahead and adore him though because we're not beating him anytime soon

So you post examples of Lebron giving-it back to his critics, most of whom had an axe to grind of some sorts as a way to show some character flaws, I guess. Yet you still worship the guy who infuriated his teammates:

In the locker room Michael Jordan resorted to trying to embarrass Cartwright in front of the team. He was offensive to the point that afterward, Cartwright pulled him to the side and said

"Look, if you ever do anything like that again, you will never play basketball again because I will break both of your legs."

You probably never heard about that though, because MJ can do no wrong.

Another incident includes an actual physical confrontation with a teammate. The Bulls were in practice when Will Perdue laid a hard screen on Jordan. Imagine someone playing hard in practice!

This did not sit well with His Airness. He was infuriated to the point where he felt it necessary to punch Purdue in the face. Yes, you read right. To PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE.

Not only did Jordan get physical with Will Perdue, he also felt the need to punch Steve Kerr in the face! Jordan and Kerr were known to have two different opinions on the Collective Bargaining Agreement that was being voted on.

Imagine LeBron James punching one of his nice guy teammates in the face like say, Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Imagine what the initial reaction and backlash would be if this happened. Everyone would have a field day crucifying him. But not so for His Airness... his reputation gets a pass.

Not to mention Jordan at one point had ran up gambling debts into the millions of dollars. Kept Isiah off the Olympic team, and theres no need to mention his marriage...

I dont usually like to get into the off the court stuff, but the fact that you keep trying to build a case as to why Lebron is some sort bad guy and yet you worship Jordan at the same time is laughable...

I'm Knick fan but I'm also a die-hard basketball fan who appreciates great teams and great players. I do not adore Lebron, but I appreciate Lebron's talent, the same way I appreciated Isiah, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Hakeem, Penny, etc I guess we can just agree to disagree....

there is a difference tho.. Jordan, like kobe, like others had that win at all cost, I will kick you in the teeth mentality, even if you are on my team... lebron has that ledouche mentality that just speaks, regardless of what I do, i am still lebron, will get paid money and do commercials.... Difference is, one guy was a jerk because he did whatever necessary to win, the other is a jerk because as long as he gets paid and pop bottles, hang with rappers... nothing else matters...

Yes, Jordan was a jerk off the court, I believe that, but when he was on the court, he was as honest and real as it can get, he gave everything, cheated no one, not even the game.... that nastiness came across on the court as artistry.. brilliance, fierceness that we all appreciated..

lebron flops, dances on the sidelines, whines, poses for the camera, it comes across as contrived, not sincere, the same douchebaggery that he carries off the court he tends to bring on the court.. and it comes across in different ways...

until the book came out, no one ever imaginged Jordan to be such a jerk....and that is because on the court, he was everything, everyone wanted and expected out of greatness..

I think Uptown calls himself trying to get at those who adored Jordan...

Why stop there though Uptown let's add more

Jordan was a notorious gambler may have been responsible for his father getting knocked off

Jordan cheated on his wife and divorced her

Jordan blocked an All-Time great from being on the Olympic team in Thomas

Jordan I believe got Doug Collins fired

Larry Bird never claimed a daughter of his for many yrs

Magic Johnson had sexcapades to the point he caught HIV while married

Patrick Ewing and Reggie Miller got served up in the Magic Club over and over I believe while married

Charles Barkley fought fans in bars and spit on fans at games, flipped them off

Isiah Thomas made remarks about Bird that border as extreme racism....

But here's the difference on the court and things concerning basketball they were as REAL as it gets. Every fiber in their bone was RAW. Most of them REVOLUTIONARY PLAYERS...

Lebron is the best CANNED ARTIFICIAL GOOD there is.

As TKF said, the others never cheated the game...never cut corners, never manipulated the league, never cried to the media like a bish, never quit on their teams, never acted scared, entertained us exceptionally during exhibitions not backing out of them or forgoing them because they felt those were beneath them, never claimed agent groups as TEAMS, never groupied openly with others to create a fence of protection.

Keep whacking it to the phony dude that's in our way to win a championship. In the meantime I'll look at other players in the league who deserve and earn my respect, whether they get in our way or not.

Nalod wrote:Jordan is legend who does no wrong because all we do is see highlights of his best moments.

Lebron flops, but thats part of the game. He whines and complains, so did jordan. He is immature and clowned too much where Jordan was arrogant.

Jordan has a whole career to look back on and of course we focus on those 6 chips.

He was special and deserves his place in history.

Lebron has his two other "Stars" but they have been nothing but inconsistant in the three years they have been in the finals. Jordan had much better players around him and a great coach.

Sorry some of y'all hate lebron the point you don't see what is happening before your eyes. He may not be a sociopath win with hate like Kobe or Jordan but its speacial.

Bird made his comment a year ago. I wonder what he thinks a year later?

GOAT? Not ready to label him that by a long shot but Lebron is doing something special. I hated him because he he was an ass a few years ago but he has been growing up and now has some bling.

He is still only 28. It can all end for any athlete at any time but while I don't root for him or the Heat, Im not going to turn a blind eye and pretend he is not doing special things and making history.

Look at one of my initial responses to you and you'll see that it was never about Lebron and Jordan. It was about Lebrons place in history and Magic Johnson, an all time great, pretty much placing Lebron on a pedestal beside him. That's why I quoted Bill Russell, Barkley, and Bird, even Oscar Robertson, as a way to point out that the elite of the elite to ever play the game have accepted Lebron as a peer and in some cases acknowledge that Lebron is on a fast lane to surpass them.

You are the one that kept bringing up Jordan, so I took it there because I know how big of a Jordan fan you are. To set the record straight, Jordan is the best player I've ever seen and I think he still sits on the throne. I do believe Lebron is amongst the top 10 players to ever play the game. Can he surpass Jordan? Not sure about that but the book is still being written and there are plenty of chapters to go so we will see....