KnickDanger wrote:

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shinmen wrote:Unprotected picks are an heresy. Protection 1-3 is a minimum. You can potentially lose generational talent like that.
Ainge is doing Ainge, he doesn't negotiate. I was intrigued by Mitchell on the Knicks at first but the price is too high. Let's improve organically. This is not our time yet.

I am pretty much here now. Would have loved to add Mitchell but the price is just too high. I am more intrigued by the 2023 draft than certain that Mitchell puts us over the top.

The problem with the 2023 draft is our picks are looking to be mid, maybe late lottery at best. Also, Thibs if he's still here. You think he's hesitant to play rooks now? Imagine him when he's truly on the hot seat.

Looking at the draft, it is pretty deep. I think they can get high caliber rotation 3&Ds in the 10-20 range and solid PFs in the 20-30. I think you could give Johnnie Bryant a lot to work with. Its a deep draft and if you get athletes and commit to developing them over a few years, you will end up with a team looking like the Raptors in about 3 years.

Trading away future #1's and young talent for the splashy move is what the Knicks did for many many years -- which created the hole they are trying to crawl out of. While nothing definite is in place, the general parameters of the "haul" the Jazz would receive would guarantee a mediocre to average maybe slightly above average team in the near future. Whereas staying the course could conceivably entail a higher ceiling (and probably lower floor). To me it's nuts to go down the same path and expect different results.

How do we lose a trade we have not made?
Im down with Leon and Brock playing poker with Ainge. did the stare down. In the end its the knicks picks that I care about, and they should be protected at some level.
it should be conditional on how many games DM plays and if he resigns here. the worse the trade for us should not reward Utah for it.

BRIGGS wrote:An unprotected pick is betting without a hedge. You can do that if you already have a base in place like the bucks did. There are things that can go wrong with 2/6-1 guards that we will only find out about after the fact. Assuming we’re gonna be good for 5-6 years based on no data is a recipe for disaster. Let’s wait and see what we have— we have many question marks to go outside the box. If we need picks to make a trade or we decide we need the picks —we have them in our safety deposit box.

Think the media is overstating what Rose is considering. Feel EF, Obi and three firsts plus a couple of seconds is what Rose is willing to do. Agree with the overall feeling that unless you are bringing in someone who can instantly make you a contender to get to the finals, Ie. Durant, KL, LBJ, you just can't give up what Jazz are rumoured to be asking. Feel both teams are hoping maybe a third team can facilitate assets to reach a compromise. Maybe turning guys like Rose, Cam or EF into more of what the Jazz want is the path for something to get done. But just don't see that happening until mid season when teams are aligning for playoffs and adding pieces.

BigDaddyG wrote:Phoenix sports talk radio guy. Take with a grain of salt.

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Beal, Kp with DM? Returns of Hachimora, Avanda, kuzma, etc. They should go after him.
Lakers? Centric on Westbrook and his salary?
Kings. Of course they are.
Charlotte? Send GH back to Utah plus plus…… Maybe Hornets take back some players too?
Clev. Sexton plus…….
Bkn…….Simmons plus?

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On the other hand, a deal at a later date might be more expensive. If the deal goes through, I hope the first two priorities are defense, and ball movement. Ranked 20th by ESPN will be accurate, if we cant defend, or share the rock.

The Warriors under Mark Jackson was a good team. He should be credited with making GS play D. But it was Kerr who emphasized ball movement over lots of ISOs.

I know Thibs can get them to play D, but his future with the team might be decided on wether or not he can get all these good to great one on one players to develop a free flowing offense.

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BigDaddyG wrote:Phoenix sports talk radio guy. Take with a grain of salt.

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Have to wonder at this point if the deal’s pretty much done- otherwise why would the Mets arrange a Knicks night at the end of the month? Daft planning if the deal isn’t done and rather than wait to see if it happens they blow such a good marketing opportunity by having an event prematurely

The thing that always shocks me is how young RJ still is. You expect that efficiency to improve with age. He's 4 years younger than DM so that gives NY a longer time period to put a team around him but if RJ s ceiling is as a 3rd banana, you can't really build a team around him.

Ever since Leon Rose got hired we have been hearing about the DM connection. I think the path in the East is going to go through Embiid and Giannis for the next few years and DM is a counter for those two in a way that RJ isn't. So as much as it hurts, I think it's OK to sell high on RJ.

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Can we move on already. Ainge trying to drain us of everything. If we make this trade we will be the same place we were last year. RK, one of our young and picks. Hell no.

Thought this might happen (them suddenly wanting RJ)- seems a standard negotiating pitch, pretending you have zero interest in a player, to drive down their value in the trade value, the opposing team then has to offer a high priced alternative, then once that's roughly in place, suddenly pivot and demand the player you pretended you didn't want as a 'deal breaking extra'.

Fit wise, personally, I think it makes more sense to trade RJ and keep Grimes, Cam, IQ and Obi. I'm not sure if RJ fits next to D-Mitch and Brunson (and especially not with Randle too), and I'm still not sure the kind of role RJ should have on a team especially coming up for a big pay day- happy to be proved wrong though!

foosballnick wrote:So the media now has the DM price at RJ, Obi (or Grimes /IQ) and 5 first rounders (3 unprotected)? Ainge must really be working his media back-channels.

Can't wait for the season the start.

Brock Aller just needs to walk away for the time being. Danny still wants to play games in the off-season. Let's revisit after Donovan Mitchell turns on the team "cancer" switch at the start of the season.