holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:grizzlies have had injury issues all season and are more or less healthy right now and gelling at the right time. good for them. i like players like conley and tony allen and gasol. all are somehow underrated.

interesting statement was made at some point of last night's broadcast, where someone said: "grizzlies [are one of the few team that] play playoff basketball during the regular season." this may not get you the best record or the highest seed but it apparently has its benefits. this is why it always pays to ask whether the team you root for looks like a playoff team or not.

"a win is a win" is false.

Gasol is not underrated..he put up some horrendous shots, much like Aldridge last night and he didn't have to..He won defensive player of the year when he wasn't even the best defensive player on his team...Gasol is a lot of things, underrated ain't one of them..

he has made only two all-star appearances in a seven-year career. what does that tell you?

It tells me that DHow has been injured at least two years

it tells me that style trumps substance in the nba all-star voting process, ie howard is overrated if gasol is not underrated.

DHow is a force when healthy..He took Orlamdo to the Finals..You might have forgotten..

yeah d-how is a force all right. getting blown the f out by the clips by 22 points as we speak.

Well it's McHale job to figure it out..Putting the ball in your boy Harden's hand all year to have teams shut that down in the playoffs, didn't work..Howard took a bad team to the Finals already..So he could come back next year and watch Harden dribble the air out the ball and see what happens..

dude they have jason terry starting. that'll put you in a hole on both ends of the floor. and for the record you and i agree on one thing which is that defense is paramount. rejoice. now all you need to do is see that the regular season is the jayvee season and that "a win is a win" is simply false in the regular season unless it is a win from a team that looks like a playoff team.

more fun facts from the advanced stat realm:

blake griffin 70%TS
jj redick 77%TS
rivers 66%TS
cp3 67%TS
jordan 59%TS

so you see that with true shooting percentage-- emphasis on "true"-- it does not matter how you get there so long as you are over 58% you are scoring very efficiently. to simplify matters for you, had jordan shot only 4-7 from the field instead of 6-7 his TS% would have plummeted to 50. had he gone 5-7 from the field, which is still good shooting, his TS would have gone down to a mediocre 54.6 which is carmelo anthony territory.

and did the rockets have an efficient scoring game collectively? absolutely not. the rockets were at 49TS% while the clippers were at an elite 59%TS.

the issue here, as i mentioned at the outset, is that houston's defense is turble.

and, as i mentioned elsewhere, bill russell has stated that the playoffs are about defense and matchups. what do you think is going on here in this series?

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:grizzlies have had injury issues all season and are more or less healthy right now and gelling at the right time. good for them. i like players like conley and tony allen and gasol. all are somehow underrated.

interesting statement was made at some point of last night's broadcast, where someone said: "grizzlies [are one of the few team that] play playoff basketball during the regular season." this may not get you the best record or the highest seed but it apparently has its benefits. this is why it always pays to ask whether the team you root for looks like a playoff team or not.

"a win is a win" is false.

Gasol is not underrated..he put up some horrendous shots, much like Aldridge last night and he didn't have to..He won defensive player of the year when he wasn't even the best defensive player on his team...Gasol is a lot of things, underrated ain't one of them..

he has made only two all-star appearances in a seven-year career. what does that tell you?

It tells me that DHow has been injured at least two years

it tells me that style trumps substance in the nba all-star voting process, ie howard is overrated if gasol is not underrated.

DHow is a force when healthy..He took Orlamdo to the Finals..You might have forgotten..

yeah d-how is a force all right. getting blown the f out by the clips by 22 points as we speak.

Well it's McHale job to figure it out..Putting the ball in your boy Harden's hand all year to have teams shut that down in the playoffs, didn't work..Howard took a bad team to the Finals already..So he could come back next year and watch Harden dribble the air out the ball and see what happens..

dude they have jason terry starting. that'll put you in a hole on both ends of the floor. and for the record you and i agree on one thing which is that defense is paramount. rejoice. now all you need to do is see that the regular season is the jayvee season and that "a win is a win" is simply false in the regular season unless it is a win from a team that looks like a playoff team.

more fun facts from the advanced stat realm:

blake griffin 70%TS
jj redick 77%TS
rivers 66%TS
cp3 67%TS
jordan 59%TS

so you see that with true shooting percentage-- emphasis on "true"-- it does not matter how you get there so long as you are over 58% you are scoring very efficiently. to simplify matters for you, had jordan shot only 4-7 from the field instead of 6-7 his TS% would have plummeted to 50. had he gone 5-7 from the field, which is still good shooting, his TS would have gone down to a mediocre 54.6 which is carmelo anthony territory.

and did the rockets have an efficient scoring game collectively? absolutely not. the rockets were at 49TS% while the clippers were at an elite 59%TS.

the issue here, as i mentioned at the outset, is that houston's defense is turble.

and, as i mentioned elsewhere, bill russell has stated that the playoffs are about defense and matchups. what do you think is going on here in this series?

Houston's problem is defense..The cannot defend..Harden is just horrible, he cannot guard anyone even if he tries..Jason Terry is bad too...DHow is mentally weak..He lets guys like Barnes get into his head..Houston don't have anyone to screw with the mentally weak Blake Griffin, they are just mired in their own turd..Ariza is the only guy doing his job..

The big problem is that Houston built it's offense around Harden having the ball all the time...His offensive game isn't versatile enough for that..Redick, another guy I misjudged, has been awesome..He has been playing Harden one on one, and shutting him down..Just stop him from going left and don't go for the arm up move when driving at the foul line..It's bigger than missing Patrick Beverly..They have to completely restructure their offense..Will Harden expand his game??..He isn't a max type player in the playoffs...

It's funny because McHale recognizes the Harden problem and tried to make some changes which didn't work..Interestingly does the GM tell McHale that Harden"s TS% is still great so we don't need to make changes...Houston is mentally weak and has given up..Harden and Dwight aren't leaders on the court that will do what ever it takes to win..They are broken..

Kill Melo all you want, the guy leaves it on the court, not like this bunch...

yellowboy90 wrote:What makes D. Howard overrated?

he is no where near the player that he was in orlando and he seems mentally weak.

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:is this the same harden who is have a great great great post season while (lets use the melo excuse) he has to do it all alone?

I thought that when you don't have the support cast you jack em up at 30% ... like uh melo?

When Melo was essentially trying to do it all alone, he still got blasted on these boards for the team not succeeding, so the same should go for Harden.

Harden did get blasted last year and he deserved it. And he was not good the year before either.

this season he is actually having an excellent playoffs. But who cares about that, lets blast him anyway.

His overall numbers for his playoff career are actually very good (unlike ...) but lets ignore all that and maybe we can find a way to compare his failures to melo.

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:is this the same harden who is have a great great great post season while (lets use the melo excuse) he has to do it all alone?

I thought that when you don't have the support cast you jack em up at 30% ... like uh melo?

When Melo was essentially trying to do it all alone, he still got blasted on these boards for the team not succeeding, so the same should go for Harden.

Harden did get blasted last year and he deserved it. And he was not good the year before either.

this season he is actually having an excellent playoffs. But who cares about that, lets blast him anyway.

His overall numbers for his playoff career are actually very good (unlike ...) but lets ignore all that and maybe we can find a way to compare his failures to melo.

You are completely wrong about that..The Clippers have completely negated his impact on the game...The offense is structured so that everything runs through Harden..It has failed miserably..Looking at a few offensive numbers to say he isn't not that bad is far from the truth...Harden is very predictable offensively and it has hurt Houston..Redick is shutting him down by stopping him from going left...Harden has to score at least 30 pts for them to win games, which he has done most of the year...U can't ignore they are down 3-1 with Harden as their main go to guy...

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:is this the same harden who is have a great great great post season while (lets use the melo excuse) he has to do it all alone?

I thought that when you don't have the support cast you jack em up at 30% ... like uh melo?

When Melo was essentially trying to do it all alone, he still got blasted on these boards for the team not succeeding, so the same should go for Harden.

Harden did get blasted last year and he deserved it. And he was not good the year before either.

this season he is actually having an excellent playoffs. But who cares about that, lets blast him anyway.

His overall numbers for his playoff career are actually very good (unlike ...) but lets ignore all that and maybe we can find a way to compare his failures to melo.

You are completely wrong about that..The Clippers have completely negated his impact on the game...The offense is structured so that everything runs through Harden..It has failed miserably..Looking at a few offensive numbers to say he isn't not that bad is far from the truth...Harden is very predictable offensively and it has hurt Houston..Redick is shutting him down by stopping him from going left...Harden has to score at least 30 pts for them to win games, which he has done most of the year...U can't ignore they are down 3-1 with Harden as their main go to guy...

I am looking at his post season so far, I don't pick and choose when it works for me.

you are ignoring the talent diff between the two teams.

Everybody can add to their game to be less one dimensional. Lebron added a post game, so did MJ before they won.

Durant gets shut down by Tony Allen and desperately needs a post game ... things always need to improve. Chris Paul is a great player with lots of failures for numerous reasons.

Harden is getting assists and is not shooting his team out of games. He can't make all these stiffs better, he can only do what he can do.

You don't like their offense?

I don't like their personnel and can't believe that they are even here.

I also watched the games and I don't even know where the hell they picked up half of their guys.

The playoffs exposes who are gamers and who aren't gamers..They were fine in the regular season, they won 56 games..U may not want to admit it but Harden can be stopped and slowed down..It has totally changed the series..They don't have a chance if Harden can score at will...Ariza has played well tho..

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:What makes D. Howard overrated?

he is no where near the player that he was in orlando and he seems mentally weak.

Injuries will do that and their is no way to measure the mental weakness of a player. Every player is "mentally weak" until they win it seems. It's just something we fans say I feel. Like someone could claim Harden is mentally weak but is he really? Who knows.

Re Harden: He is having a great offensive run in terms of shooting efficiency but I am seeing some of the worst D ever from him. He is letting Austin Rivers go off and who ever else he defends. He just looks uninterested. He also needs to take care of the ball more. I like that he is getting ast but stop turning the ball over.

Harden is a great offensive player but he has to step up.

Re rockets: They need to go after Millsap if they want to take the next step and it looks like they really miss there back up C and Beverely.

Also, the great Morey is not looking so great.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:What makes D. Howard overrated?

he is no where near the player that he was in orlando and he seems mentally weak.

Injuries will do that and their is no way to measure the mental weakness of a player. Every player is "mentally weak" until they win it seems. It's just something we fans say I feel. Like someone could claim Harden is mentally weak but is he really? Who knows.

Re Harden: He is having a great offensive run in terms of shooting efficiency but I am seeing some of the worst D ever from him. He is letting Austin Rivers go off and who ever else he defends. He just looks uninterested. He also needs to take care of the ball more. I like that he is getting ast but stop turning the ball over.

Harden is a great offensive player but he has to step up.

Re rockets: They need to go after Millsap if they want to take the next step and it looks like they really miss there back up C and Beverely.

Also, the great Morey is not looking so great.

We don't think that Howard is mentally weak, everybody thinks so. Players, Coaches, Fans ....

Harden has some mental weakness but that is also expected with age. He also has some mental brilliance.

I will not defend Hardens defense.

he can cut down on the turnovers but look at lebron. That can certainly happen to the best of them. And, look at his assist to turnover ratio. Its excellent.

He needs to step up ... of course he does. who else will?

Millsap would be great for them.

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:is this the same harden who is have a great great great post season while (lets use the melo excuse) he has to do it all alone?

I thought that when you don't have the support cast you jack em up at 30% ... like uh melo?

When Melo was essentially trying to do it all alone, he still got blasted on these boards for the team not succeeding, so the same should go for Harden.

Harden did get blasted last year and he deserved it. And he was not good the year before either.

this season he is actually having an excellent playoffs. But who cares about that, lets blast him anyway.

His overall numbers for his playoff career are actually very good (unlike ...) but lets ignore all that and maybe we can find a way to compare his failures to melo.

You are completely wrong about that..The Clippers have completely negated his impact on the game...The offense is structured so that everything runs through Harden..It has failed miserably..Looking at a few offensive numbers to say he isn't not that bad is far from the truth...Harden is very predictable offensively and it has hurt Houston..Redick is shutting him down by stopping him from going left...Harden has to score at least 30 pts for them to win games, which he has done most of the year...U can't ignore they are down 3-1 with Harden as their main go to guy...

I am looking at his post season so far, I don't pick and choose when it works for me.

you are ignoring the talent diff between the two teams.

Everybody can add to their game to be less one dimensional. Lebron added a post game, so did MJ before they won.

Durant gets shut down by Tony Allen and desperately needs a post game ... things always need to improve. Chris Paul is a great player with lots of failures for numerous reasons.

Harden is getting assists and is not shooting his team out of games. He can't make all these stiffs better, he can only do what he can do.

You don't like their offense?

I don't like their personnel and can't believe that they are even here.

I also watched the games and I don't even know where the hell they picked up half of their guys.

Funny that you mention the bolded. The anti-Melo establishment never acknowledges the bold print when discussing Melo's playoff record. Not saying you are one of them, but I've had numerous discussions with posters who only want to look at his post season record, and not look at the opponent.

Amen, he is one of them...

that is baloni and baseless just like many of your arguments LOL

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:is this the same harden who is have a great great great post season while (lets use the melo excuse) he has to do it all alone?

I thought that when you don't have the support cast you jack em up at 30% ... like uh melo?

When Melo was essentially trying to do it all alone, he still got blasted on these boards for the team not succeeding, so the same should go for Harden.

Harden did get blasted last year and he deserved it. And he was not good the year before either.

this season he is actually having an excellent playoffs. But who cares about that, lets blast him anyway.

His overall numbers for his playoff career are actually very good (unlike ...) but lets ignore all that and maybe we can find a way to compare his failures to melo.

You are completely wrong about that..The Clippers have completely negated his impact on the game...The offense is structured so that everything runs through Harden..It has failed miserably..Looking at a few offensive numbers to say he isn't not that bad is far from the truth...Harden is very predictable offensively and it has hurt Houston..Redick is shutting him down by stopping him from going left...Harden has to score at least 30 pts for them to win games, which he has done most of the year...U can't ignore they are down 3-1 with Harden as their main go to guy...

I am looking at his post season so far, I don't pick and choose when it works for me.

you are ignoring the talent diff between the two teams.

Everybody can add to their game to be less one dimensional. Lebron added a post game, so did MJ before they won.

Durant gets shut down by Tony Allen and desperately needs a post game ... things always need to improve. Chris Paul is a great player with lots of failures for numerous reasons.

Harden is getting assists and is not shooting his team out of games. He can't make all these stiffs better, he can only do what he can do.

You don't like their offense?

I don't like their personnel and can't believe that they are even here.

I also watched the games and I don't even know where the hell they picked up half of their guys.

Funny that you mention the bolded. The anti-Melo establishment never acknowledges the bold print when discussing Melo's playoff record. Not saying you are one of them, but I've had numerous discussions with posters who only want to look at his post season record, and not look at the opponent.

Amen, he is one of them...

that is baloni and baseless just like many of your arguments LOL

If my arguments are baseless, then what's the Melo Excuse????

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is this the same harden who is have a great great great post season while (lets use the melo excuse) he has to do it all alone?

I thought that when you don't have the support cast you jack em up at 30% ... like uh melo?

Melo did not ever have a good enough team to win. I hated when this was used as a knock out of context.

Melo shot terribly in many playoffs and that (partly) is on him. The better players you play with, the better shots you will get. You can still choose to take many bad shots.

Harden has a weak team as well and yet he is not shooting terrible shots like that.

Last year, Harden was bad and I called him out.

My point is that you can excuse Melo for shooting terribly based on silly excuses while holding Harden accountable when he shoots well while can share the same excuses.

I have been clear and fair what I want from Melo with his game and how I have been longing for Phil to make him take smarter shots and pass the damn ball.

I don't hate Melo like others do. I hate when he plays stupidly when he can so easily tighten up his game.