knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks were the #3 most efficient offensive team last year, so this idea that the Spurs and Heat were OK with not being good rebounding teams due to being efficient would also go for the Knicks. The difference is that the Knicks were limited offensively compared to the Heat and Spurs who had more weapons. The Knicks faced 2 very good defensive teams in the playoffs as well.

It's where you score, not just scoring in itself, the Spurs and Heats best players score closer to the basket and the role players launch the threes....that is sustainable.

The Knicks as an entire team launches threes and dont prefer the paint, and was forced into the midrange shot, which is the worst shot in basketball so it's natural they would look bad.

The only good defensive team the Knicks played was the Pacers, Boston was dead and still found a way to force a game 6.

A 3-0 series lead rarely winds up going 6.

nixluva wrote:
I think people are only looking at the last 2 years and not paying attention to just how good AB is when he's healthy, which he is despite the infection. His legs and arms are fine. This is a guy that had 4 straight yrs scoring from 15 to 21 ppg. In his worst season AB avg'd 12.7 ppg. We don't have a lot of guys like that on the roster. If you add a player like that to the Knicks in last years playoffs it makes a huge difference. Well we added more than just one player who can contribute, so doubting Knicks fans need to wake up.

No one ignores what he USED to do, the issue is thinking he can restore that.....i dont share that sentiment.

I know what Amare used to be as well.

Now you're just being a Knick basher. The Spurs jack up shots just like the Knicks. The difference is they had a deeper team with more talent than the Knicks. You can't piss on the fact that the Knicks for an entire season ended up the #3 most efficient offensive team in the league. Come on! That's just being negative for no reason. Self hating Knicks fans are the worst.

You think AB simply can't shoot anymore? Don't be an idiot. The guy was INJURED!!! I can't believe you're even trying to make it seem like there was no legit reason his numbers were down. Unless he's hurt there is no reason to think AB won't be able to score like his career numbers would suggest. 4 yrs of between 15-21 ppg and the guy has ONE YR at 12.7 when he was hurt and you want us to believe he's somehow a shot player? GTFOH!!!

Boston may not have been a great defense anymore, but they still know how give a serious effort on D. The Pacers was a legit #1 defensive team and this team still got to game 6 even tho the Knicks got almost nothing from Kidd and JR. That's why this team is stronger this year with AB, Beno, MWP, THJ, Tyler... added to the mix. Can you come up with any legitimate rationale for how this team isn't much improved over last years team based on the new additions? AB was traded for Novak, Camby and Quentin who gave us NOTHING!!! That move along improves the team, unless you can somehow make a case that even if AB at his worst season level isn't better than the NOTHING we got from those guys. At his worst with an injured elbow AB was 13 ppg so if he never got any better he'd still be better than what we had last year from the guys he's replacing.

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks were the #3 most efficient offensive team last year, so this idea that the Spurs and Heat were OK with not being good rebounding teams due to being efficient would also go for the Knicks. The difference is that the Knicks were limited offensively compared to the Heat and Spurs who had more weapons. The Knicks faced 2 very good defensive teams in the playoffs as well.

It's where you score, not just scoring in itself, the Spurs and Heats best players score closer to the basket and the role players launch the threes....that is sustainable.

The Knicks as an entire team launches threes and dont prefer the paint, and was forced into the midrange shot, which is the worst shot in basketball so it's natural they would look bad.

The only good defensive team the Knicks played was the Pacers, Boston was dead and still found a way to force a game 6.

A 3-0 series lead rarely winds up going 6.

nixluva wrote:
I think people are only looking at the last 2 years and not paying attention to just how good AB is when he's healthy, which he is despite the infection. His legs and arms are fine. This is a guy that had 4 straight yrs scoring from 15 to 21 ppg. In his worst season AB avg'd 12.7 ppg. We don't have a lot of guys like that on the roster. If you add a player like that to the Knicks in last years playoffs it makes a huge difference. Well we added more than just one player who can contribute, so doubting Knicks fans need to wake up.

No one ignores what he USED to do, the issue is thinking he can restore that.....i dont share that sentiment.

I know what Amare used to be as well.

Now you're just being a Knick basher. The Spurs jack up shots just like the Knicks. The difference is they had a deeper team with more talent than the Knicks. You can't piss on the fact that the Knicks for an entire season ended up the #3 most efficient offensive team in the league. Come on! That's just being negative for no reason. Self hating Knicks fans are the worst.

You think AB simply can't shoot anymore? Don't be an idiot. The guy was INJURED!!! I can't believe you're even trying to make it seem like there was no legit reason his numbers were down. Unless he's hurt there is no reason to think AB won't be able to score like his career numbers would suggest. 4 yrs of between 15-21 ppg and the guy has ONE YR at 12.7 when he was hurt and you want us to believe he's somehow a shot player? GTFOH!!!

Boston may not have been a great defense anymore, but they still know how give a serious effort on D. The Pacers was a legit #1 defensive team and this team still got to game 6 even tho the Knicks got almost nothing from Kidd and JR. That's why this team is stronger this year with AB, Beno, MWP, THJ, Tyler... added to the mix. Can you come up with any legitimate rationale for how this team isn't much improved over last years team based on the new additions? AB was traded for Novak, Camby and Quentin who gave us NOTHING!!! That move along improves the team, unless you can somehow make a case that even if AB at his worst season level isn't better than the NOTHING we got from those guys. At his worst with an injured elbow AB was 13 ppg so if he never got any better he'd still be better than what we had last year from the guys he's replacing.

you keep on using this offensive efficiency stat hoping it will persuade others to look at other reason for failure but that won't fly. it's a flawed statistic as i have explained several times, especially since the turnover stat is folded in to the formula.

the knicks were a one-dimensional team, predictable and easy as pie to strategize against. you need a versatile offense that keeps a defense guessing and on its heels if you want to be a legit playoff team and not a fool's gold pretender. the knicks met the perfect storm with the pacers but the cracks already showed during the celtic series.

adding bargnani changes little to nothing. in fact looking at his overall game it is like trying to towel off with water.

the bulls and the nets have a better chance of beating the pacers next year than the knicks do.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks were the #3 most efficient offensive team last year, so this idea that the Spurs and Heat were OK with not being good rebounding teams due to being efficient would also go for the Knicks. The difference is that the Knicks were limited offensively compared to the Heat and Spurs who had more weapons. The Knicks faced 2 very good defensive teams in the playoffs as well.

It's where you score, not just scoring in itself, the Spurs and Heats best players score closer to the basket and the role players launch the threes....that is sustainable.

The Knicks as an entire team launches threes and dont prefer the paint, and was forced into the midrange shot, which is the worst shot in basketball so it's natural they would look bad.

The only good defensive team the Knicks played was the Pacers, Boston was dead and still found a way to force a game 6.

A 3-0 series lead rarely winds up going 6.

nixluva wrote:
I think people are only looking at the last 2 years and not paying attention to just how good AB is when he's healthy, which he is despite the infection. His legs and arms are fine. This is a guy that had 4 straight yrs scoring from 15 to 21 ppg. In his worst season AB avg'd 12.7 ppg. We don't have a lot of guys like that on the roster. If you add a player like that to the Knicks in last years playoffs it makes a huge difference. Well we added more than just one player who can contribute, so doubting Knicks fans need to wake up.

No one ignores what he USED to do, the issue is thinking he can restore that.....i dont share that sentiment.

I know what Amare used to be as well.

Now you're just being a Knick basher. The Spurs jack up shots just like the Knicks. The difference is they had a deeper team with more talent than the Knicks. You can't piss on the fact that the Knicks for an entire season ended up the #3 most efficient offensive team in the league. Come on! That's just being negative for no reason. Self hating Knicks fans are the worst.

You think AB simply can't shoot anymore? Don't be an idiot. The guy was INJURED!!! I can't believe you're even trying to make it seem like there was no legit reason his numbers were down. Unless he's hurt there is no reason to think AB won't be able to score like his career numbers would suggest. 4 yrs of between 15-21 ppg and the guy has ONE YR at 12.7 when he was hurt and you want us to believe he's somehow a shot player? GTFOH!!!

Boston may not have been a great defense anymore, but they still know how give a serious effort on D. The Pacers was a legit #1 defensive team and this team still got to game 6 even tho the Knicks got almost nothing from Kidd and JR. That's why this team is stronger this year with AB, Beno, MWP, THJ, Tyler... added to the mix. Can you come up with any legitimate rationale for how this team isn't much improved over last years team based on the new additions? AB was traded for Novak, Camby and Quentin who gave us NOTHING!!! That move along improves the team, unless you can somehow make a case that even if AB at his worst season level isn't better than the NOTHING we got from those guys. At his worst with an injured elbow AB was 13 ppg so if he never got any better he'd still be better than what we had last year from the guys he's replacing.

I really shouldnt even respond to this drivel when a poster can get so hot all they can do is name call....grow up.

Dont ever question my fan dom, just because I'm not jaded doesnt make me any different from you.

The Spurs dont jack shots at all, their best two players have SIGNATURE MOVES....Duncan has the banker, Tony the floater.

Their role players shoot the threes, not everyone including the main offensive weapons, so hopefully you will stop comparing the Spurs to the Knicks....it's embarassing.

This what you just dont get, the fact that Bargnani WILL PLAY is the detriment to the team, he's cut from the same exact mold of JR Smith....for a stretch he'll play pretty well, but overall he is a mediocre player.

You will see the same thing you saw from JR, a player who should be benched but had to play to make that one basket that he never hit.

I actually feel bad for you if you really believe Bargnani will resurrect his career in NY....thats not happening, the pressure is just too big and he will crumble like he always has.

How do you account for the knicks blowing out the Spurs in 2 games and really had thier number. Say what you want to about the Knicks but they won 54 games last season and number 3 in scoring efficiency. We shall see what the knicks bring this season. Unlike you I bring hope and fun to this coming season. Basketball is supposed to be fun and enjoyment. So after 13 years of hell people like you are more down on the Knicks then ever before. get a life. and stop the doom and gloom or just become a Nets fan. Go to Brooklyn.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks were the #3 most efficient offensive team last year, so this idea that the Spurs and Heat were OK with not being good rebounding teams due to being efficient would also go for the Knicks. The difference is that the Knicks were limited offensively compared to the Heat and Spurs who had more weapons. The Knicks faced 2 very good defensive teams in the playoffs as well.

It's where you score, not just scoring in itself, the Spurs and Heats best players score closer to the basket and the role players launch the threes....that is sustainable.

The Knicks as an entire team launches threes and dont prefer the paint, and was forced into the midrange shot, which is the worst shot in basketball so it's natural they would look bad.

The only good defensive team the Knicks played was the Pacers, Boston was dead and still found a way to force a game 6.

A 3-0 series lead rarely winds up going 6.

nixluva wrote:
I think people are only looking at the last 2 years and not paying attention to just how good AB is when he's healthy, which he is despite the infection. His legs and arms are fine. This is a guy that had 4 straight yrs scoring from 15 to 21 ppg. In his worst season AB avg'd 12.7 ppg. We don't have a lot of guys like that on the roster. If you add a player like that to the Knicks in last years playoffs it makes a huge difference. Well we added more than just one player who can contribute, so doubting Knicks fans need to wake up.

No one ignores what he USED to do, the issue is thinking he can restore that.....i dont share that sentiment.

I know what Amare used to be as well.

Now you're just being a Knick basher. The Spurs jack up shots just like the Knicks. The difference is they had a deeper team with more talent than the Knicks. You can't piss on the fact that the Knicks for an entire season ended up the #3 most efficient offensive team in the league. Come on! That's just being negative for no reason. Self hating Knicks fans are the worst.

You think AB simply can't shoot anymore? Don't be an idiot. The guy was INJURED!!! I can't believe you're even trying to make it seem like there was no legit reason his numbers were down. Unless he's hurt there is no reason to think AB won't be able to score like his career numbers would suggest. 4 yrs of between 15-21 ppg and the guy has ONE YR at 12.7 when he was hurt and you want us to believe he's somehow a shot player? GTFOH!!!

Boston may not have been a great defense anymore, but they still know how give a serious effort on D. The Pacers was a legit #1 defensive team and this team still got to game 6 even tho the Knicks got almost nothing from Kidd and JR. That's why this team is stronger this year with AB, Beno, MWP, THJ, Tyler... added to the mix. Can you come up with any legitimate rationale for how this team isn't much improved over last years team based on the new additions? AB was traded for Novak, Camby and Quentin who gave us NOTHING!!! That move along improves the team, unless you can somehow make a case that even if AB at his worst season level isn't better than the NOTHING we got from those guys. At his worst with an injured elbow AB was 13 ppg so if he never got any better he'd still be better than what we had last year from the guys he's replacing.

I really shouldnt even respond to this drivel when a poster can get so hot all they can do is name call....grow up.

Dont ever question my fan dom, just because I'm not jaded doesnt make me any different from you.

The Spurs dont jack shots at all, their best two players have SIGNATURE MOVES....Duncan has the banker, Tony the floater.

Their role players shoot the threes, not everyone including the main offensive weapons, so hopefully you will stop comparing the Spurs to the Knicks....it's embarassing.

This what you just dont get, the fact that Bargnani WILL PLAY is the detriment to the team, he's cut from the same exact mold of JR Smith....for a stretch he'll play pretty well, but overall he is a mediocre player.

You will see the same thing you saw from JR, a player who should be benched but had to play to make that one basket that he never hit.

I actually feel bad for you if you really believe Bargnani will resurrect his career in NY....thats not happening, the pressure is just too big and he will crumble like he always has.

Papabear Says

How do you account for the knicks blowing out the Spurs in 2 games and really had thier number. Say what you want to about the Knicks but they won 53 games last season and number 3 in scoring efficiency. We shall see what the knicks bring this season. Unlike you I bring hope and fun to this coming season. Basketball is supposed to be fun and enjoyment. So after 13 years of hell people like you are more down on the Knicks then ever before. get a life. and stop the doom and gloom or just become a Nets fan. Go to Brooklyn.

I don't read any of that in his posts. You and he obviously get enjoyment from the discussion or else you would have stopped. He just enjoys critical discussion more than you do. It's a bit ridiculous for you to think you know how much enjoyment he gets from this and that his is insufficient.

knickscity wrote:

Papabear wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks were the #3 most efficient offensive team last year, so this idea that the Spurs and Heat were OK with not being good rebounding teams due to being efficient would also go for the Knicks. The difference is that the Knicks were limited offensively compared to the Heat and Spurs who had more weapons. The Knicks faced 2 very good defensive teams in the playoffs as well.

It's where you score, not just scoring in itself, the Spurs and Heats best players score closer to the basket and the role players launch the threes....that is sustainable.

The Knicks as an entire team launches threes and dont prefer the paint, and was forced into the midrange shot, which is the worst shot in basketball so it's natural they would look bad.

The only good defensive team the Knicks played was the Pacers, Boston was dead and still found a way to force a game 6.

A 3-0 series lead rarely winds up going 6.

nixluva wrote:
I think people are only looking at the last 2 years and not paying attention to just how good AB is when he's healthy, which he is despite the infection. His legs and arms are fine. This is a guy that had 4 straight yrs scoring from 15 to 21 ppg. In his worst season AB avg'd 12.7 ppg. We don't have a lot of guys like that on the roster. If you add a player like that to the Knicks in last years playoffs it makes a huge difference. Well we added more than just one player who can contribute, so doubting Knicks fans need to wake up.

No one ignores what he USED to do, the issue is thinking he can restore that.....i dont share that sentiment.

I know what Amare used to be as well.

Now you're just being a Knick basher. The Spurs jack up shots just like the Knicks. The difference is they had a deeper team with more talent than the Knicks. You can't piss on the fact that the Knicks for an entire season ended up the #3 most efficient offensive team in the league. Come on! That's just being negative for no reason. Self hating Knicks fans are the worst.

You think AB simply can't shoot anymore? Don't be an idiot. The guy was INJURED!!! I can't believe you're even trying to make it seem like there was no legit reason his numbers were down. Unless he's hurt there is no reason to think AB won't be able to score like his career numbers would suggest. 4 yrs of between 15-21 ppg and the guy has ONE YR at 12.7 when he was hurt and you want us to believe he's somehow a shot player? GTFOH!!!

Boston may not have been a great defense anymore, but they still know how give a serious effort on D. The Pacers was a legit #1 defensive team and this team still got to game 6 even tho the Knicks got almost nothing from Kidd and JR. That's why this team is stronger this year with AB, Beno, MWP, THJ, Tyler... added to the mix. Can you come up with any legitimate rationale for how this team isn't much improved over last years team based on the new additions? AB was traded for Novak, Camby and Quentin who gave us NOTHING!!! That move along improves the team, unless you can somehow make a case that even if AB at his worst season level isn't better than the NOTHING we got from those guys. At his worst with an injured elbow AB was 13 ppg so if he never got any better he'd still be better than what we had last year from the guys he's replacing.

I really shouldnt even respond to this drivel when a poster can get so hot all they can do is name call....grow up.

Dont ever question my fan dom, just because I'm not jaded doesnt make me any different from you.

The Spurs dont jack shots at all, their best two players have SIGNATURE MOVES....Duncan has the banker, Tony the floater.

Their role players shoot the threes, not everyone including the main offensive weapons, so hopefully you will stop comparing the Spurs to the Knicks....it's embarassing.

This what you just dont get, the fact that Bargnani WILL PLAY is the detriment to the team, he's cut from the same exact mold of JR Smith....for a stretch he'll play pretty well, but overall he is a mediocre player.

You will see the same thing you saw from JR, a player who should be benched but had to play to make that one basket that he never hit.

I actually feel bad for you if you really believe Bargnani will resurrect his career in NY....thats not happening, the pressure is just too big and he will crumble like he always has.

Papabear Says

How do you account for the knicks blowing out the Spurs in 2 games and really had thier number. Say what you want to about the Knicks but they won 54 games last season and number 3 in scoring efficiency. We shall see what the knicks bring this season. Unlike you I bring hope and fun to this coming season. Basketball is supposed to be fun and enjoyment. So after 13 years of hell people like you are more down on the Knicks then ever before. get a life. and stop the doom and gloom or just become a Nets fan. Go to Brooklyn.

You cant be serious.

I enjoyed the regular season no less than you, but unlike you, i did have concerns whether that style can win playoff games, especially considering while praising their 3rd best offense, their defense was subpar.....or does that not matter?

If regular season game makes you content, thats you, i share no such enjoyment....regular season is a tuneup and positioning, in which the Knicks didnt captialize in any way form or fashion.

i dont even care if the Knicks lose in the playoffs, but i dont support guys putting up bs efforts and not taking the games seriously.

When players admit they got outworked...thats unacceptable, no player worth his craft will admit that.

I guess even the youngest player on the team calling the season a failure is doom and gloom as well.

that offensive efficiency rating is misleading and i really wish posters would stop using it. the knicks' rating is boosted because there is a place in the formula for turnovers. low turnovers are great but should not obfuscate the fact that the offense was very one-dimensional and predictable and ultimately easily to prepare for in a seven-game series.

azamatbagatov wrote:

Papabear wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Knicks were the #3 most efficient offensive team last year, so this idea that the Spurs and Heat were OK with not being good rebounding teams due to being efficient would also go for the Knicks. The difference is that the Knicks were limited offensively compared to the Heat and Spurs who had more weapons. The Knicks faced 2 very good defensive teams in the playoffs as well.

It's where you score, not just scoring in itself, the Spurs and Heats best players score closer to the basket and the role players launch the threes....that is sustainable.

The Knicks as an entire team launches threes and dont prefer the paint, and was forced into the midrange shot, which is the worst shot in basketball so it's natural they would look bad.

The only good defensive team the Knicks played was the Pacers, Boston was dead and still found a way to force a game 6.

A 3-0 series lead rarely winds up going 6.

nixluva wrote:
I think people are only looking at the last 2 years and not paying attention to just how good AB is when he's healthy, which he is despite the infection. His legs and arms are fine. This is a guy that had 4 straight yrs scoring from 15 to 21 ppg. In his worst season AB avg'd 12.7 ppg. We don't have a lot of guys like that on the roster. If you add a player like that to the Knicks in last years playoffs it makes a huge difference. Well we added more than just one player who can contribute, so doubting Knicks fans need to wake up.

No one ignores what he USED to do, the issue is thinking he can restore that.....i dont share that sentiment.

I know what Amare used to be as well.

Now you're just being a Knick basher. The Spurs jack up shots just like the Knicks. The difference is they had a deeper team with more talent than the Knicks. You can't piss on the fact that the Knicks for an entire season ended up the #3 most efficient offensive team in the league. Come on! That's just being negative for no reason. Self hating Knicks fans are the worst.

You think AB simply can't shoot anymore? Don't be an idiot. The guy was INJURED!!! I can't believe you're even trying to make it seem like there was no legit reason his numbers were down. Unless he's hurt there is no reason to think AB won't be able to score like his career numbers would suggest. 4 yrs of between 15-21 ppg and the guy has ONE YR at 12.7 when he was hurt and you want us to believe he's somehow a shot player? GTFOH!!!

Boston may not have been a great defense anymore, but they still know how give a serious effort on D. The Pacers was a legit #1 defensive team and this team still got to game 6 even tho the Knicks got almost nothing from Kidd and JR. That's why this team is stronger this year with AB, Beno, MWP, THJ, Tyler... added to the mix. Can you come up with any legitimate rationale for how this team isn't much improved over last years team based on the new additions? AB was traded for Novak, Camby and Quentin who gave us NOTHING!!! That move along improves the team, unless you can somehow make a case that even if AB at his worst season level isn't better than the NOTHING we got from those guys. At his worst with an injured elbow AB was 13 ppg so if he never got any better he'd still be better than what we had last year from the guys he's replacing.

I really shouldnt even respond to this drivel when a poster can get so hot all they can do is name call....grow up.

Dont ever question my fan dom, just because I'm not jaded doesnt make me any different from you.

The Spurs dont jack shots at all, their best two players have SIGNATURE MOVES....Duncan has the banker, Tony the floater.

Their role players shoot the threes, not everyone including the main offensive weapons, so hopefully you will stop comparing the Spurs to the Knicks....it's embarassing.

This what you just dont get, the fact that Bargnani WILL PLAY is the detriment to the team, he's cut from the same exact mold of JR Smith....for a stretch he'll play pretty well, but overall he is a mediocre player.

You will see the same thing you saw from JR, a player who should be benched but had to play to make that one basket that he never hit.

I actually feel bad for you if you really believe Bargnani will resurrect his career in NY....thats not happening, the pressure is just too big and he will crumble like he always has.

Papabear Says

How do you account for the knicks blowing out the Spurs in 2 games and really had thier number. Say what you want to about the Knicks but they won 54 games last season and number 3 in scoring efficiency. We shall see what the knicks bring this season. Unlike you I bring hope and fun to this coming season. Basketball is supposed to be fun and enjoyment. So after 13 years of hell people like you are more down on the Knicks then ever before. get a life. and stop the doom and gloom or just become a Nets fan. Go to Brooklyn.

Good thing you guys are the "optimistic" and "positive" posters

nixluva wrote:Yeah we're the crazy ones who are simply recognizing that we have a F'n Playoff team that went to the 2nd round and actually IMPROVED the freakin roster this summer. Sure we're off base! Man you guys are so full of crap!!! You can't justify your stance when faced with the facts. This team is not some losing team anymore. It was the #2 seed in the East and they EARNED that spot with hard work, despite losing players to injury or age. How you can expect us to accept your pessimistic drivel is beyond me. You guys don't have a freakin leg to stand on. The most you can say is that MAYBE the additions to the roster don't help as much as expected but since we're returning practically all of the important players from last year then at the least this team is no worse than the team that earned the #2 seed. You guys are unfreakinbelievable!

you don't get it,

we lost kidd and novak, and bargnani is a negative sum player,

we're actually worse than last year,

you are lucky with 46 wins this year. book it

IronWillGiroud wrote:
you don't get it,

we lost kidd and novak, and bargnani is a negative sum player,

we're actually worse than last year,

you are lucky with 46 wins this year. book it

IronWillGiroud - you conveniently overlooked the fact the Knicks have also gotten younger, taller and more athletic. We have added the basketball IQ of Beno Uhrih, Tim Hardaway Jr (yes, it counts if your old man was an exceptional pro player) and Andrea Bargnani.

You also forgot to include any reasoned analysis of a core player

I Man Shumpert's excellent three-point shooting extended into the postseason. He shot 43 percent on 42 attempts from beyond the arc. Recovering from a torn ACL last season, Shumpert ranked 195th in the league in points per possession given up, per Synergy, allowing opponents to shoot 39 percent overall and 37 percent from three. He was the league's second-best defender when it came to post-ups...

this upcoming season will be his first healthy season since his impressive rookie year, and he maybe riding the confidence in his jumper from last year.

At only 23 years old, Shumpert is one of the few glimmers of hope as someone who could possibly make a jump on the Knicks. - Bleacher Report

We added the street tough intimidation and passion of World B Artest. There is the untapped potential of 6'10 Jeremy Tyler and the possibility of another spicy seven footer named Hamed Haddadi

Steve Novak was entertaining but dreadfully one dimensional. Jason Kidd shot 12 per cent in the playoffs. 12 per cent. You want a better playoff showing? Shoot better than 12 freakin per cent.

CJ Leslie, the last man on our bench, can take James white. we have Kenyon Martin for the entire season.

Worse than last year?

Nah. The only thing worse is the quality of your posts, devoid of substantial supporting evidence

how in hell can a roster than has not stepped on the practice floor as a unit, be worse?

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

nixluva wrote:Yeah we're the crazy ones who are simply recognizing that we have a F'n Playoff team that went to the 2nd round and actually IMPROVED the freakin roster this summer. Sure we're off base! Man you guys are so full of crap!!! You can't justify your stance when faced with the facts. This team is not some losing team anymore. It was the #2 seed in the East and they EARNED that spot with hard work, despite losing players to injury or age. How you can expect us to accept your pessimistic drivel is beyond me. You guys don't have a freakin leg to stand on. The most you can say is that MAYBE the additions to the roster don't help as much as expected but since we're returning practically all of the important players from last year then at the least this team is no worse than the team that earned the #2 seed. You guys are unfreakinbelievable!

you don't get it,

we lost kidd and novak, and bargnani is a negative sum player,

we're actually worse than last year,

you are lucky with 46 wins this year. book it

We also added Artest and Udrih, not just Bargs. Kmart also only played 18 games for us last season and made a huge impact and he was resigned. Us winning less then 54 games wouldn't be because we have a worse roster because we don't. It would be because the teams around us improved a lot.

and when you don't improve at that same rate, guess what?