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MarburyAnd1Crossover
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3/4/2012  4:22 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Fact: Since Carmelo's return, Lin has broken 20 points 1 time. Before Carmelo, Lin broke 20 points 8 times.

The chemistry has been crimped, no one can deny this. We were 8-1 without Carmelo and are now 2-3 with Carmelo.

He's a talented player but his presence is too heavy. Lin has been thrown out of the socket like an ugly woman.

I'm not bashing, this isn't bashing, but I'm recognizing a trend here. Believe me, it PAINS me to have to type these words, but someone has to take a stand. For the fans, for you and me, FOR THIS TEAM!

Did you ever stop at think that maybe Lin is having a harder time because teams of focusing on him and trapping him now?

I think its Melo's fault that it rained yesterday and I got wet. It didn't rain for so long, why yesterday?

Because of Melo!

mrKnickShot, YOU AND I BOTH KNOW that chemistry is a fragile thing, you can't always put a FINGER OR A GLOVE on chemistry.

We're off, out of the socket right now. You want me to cite research studies here, but I can't, THE BURDEN IS ON YOU, in LIGHT OF THE EVIDENCE, to show me that I'm wrong here.

BALL DON'T LIE.

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3/4/2012  4:23 PM
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nixluva wrote:Lin had a bad game and overall the team seemed a bit off. Not much but just enough to mess up what should've been a win. I'm not really that worried tho, cuz I know this team can play better. This is only one game. The Knicks still have a ton of work to do and it's games like this that make it clear. We still aren't "smooth" on offense and we have defensive lapses.

Lin still has trouble against good defensive teams that take away the PnR and penetration. The C's play a sort of zone where they clog the paint area but can still close out on shooters. They basically play half way between the 3pt line and the paint.

Lin should have attacked a bit more and attempt to finish moves so they couldn't do that. When he watches tape he will adjust. when he penetrated also he had open shooters behind him. Davis did a good job and being more creative with his passes. Vanilla passes are not gonna work against a veteran team like Celtics.

well davis did have 7 turnovers lol


When Lin and Davis both had 6 turnovers at one point with same amount of minutes Davis had 7 assist and Lin had 2. While both good PGs...Davis is way more difficult to contain and read.
MarburyAnd1Crossover
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3/4/2012  4:23 PM
matt wrote:
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matt wrote:Melo and Lin work fine.. I figured that kind of nonsense would die down by now

How can you say that in the lighting of the evidence I just presented in THIS VERY THREAD??

Ball don't lie, my friend.

Because I am not being short-sighted. Yeah, Knicks might lose a few games now but you honestly think that the team we ran with before would win more games late in the season/playoffs?

I do.

Keep in mind this is the argument the Pro Melo guys always use: WE NEED HIM IN THE PLAYOFFS.

You gotta GET TO the playoffs first!!

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3/4/2012  4:23 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Fact: Since Carmelo's return, Lin has broken 20 points 1 time. Before Carmelo, Lin broke 20 points 8 times.

The chemistry has been crimped, no one can deny this. We were 8-1 without Carmelo and are now 2-3 with Carmelo.

He's a talented player but his presence is too heavy. Lin has been thrown out of the socket like an ugly woman.

I'm not bashing, this isn't bashing, but I'm recognizing a trend here. Believe me, it PAINS me to have to type these words, but someone has to take a stand. For the fans, for you and me, FOR THIS TEAM!

Did you ever stop at think that maybe Lin is having a harder time because teams of focusing on him and trapping him now?

I think its Melo's fault that it rained yesterday and I got wet. It didn't rain for so long, why yesterday?

Because of Melo!

mrKnickShot, YOU AND I BOTH KNOW that chemistry is a fragile thing, you can't always put a FINGER OR A GLOVE on chemistry.

We're off, out of the socket right now. You want me to cite research studies here, but I can't, THE BURDEN IS ON YOU, in LIGHT OF THE EVIDENCE, to show me that I'm wrong here.

BALL DON'T LIE.

B-BALL ain' black and white. Unless yo is color blind!
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3/4/2012  4:24 PM
Tough loss.....

3rd qtr killed us.. just sloppy play..

I thought lin and shump along with melo did enough in the 4th to win this game

too many bobbled passes... lin and davis made some good passes, that were just flat out bobbled..

why overreact on rondo drives.. lin on 3 drives defended him into bad misses..... I do find it funny how rondo will be unguarded almost and will refuse to shoot, give the ball to a teamate as he takes a tough shot, and the announcers are wetting their pants talking about how good a set up that was.. rofl... rondo had like 11 assist that were of the hand off variety and a teamate making a long or tough shot.. but whatever..


Amare has to get better, or just take 5 games off.. dirk did it.. seemed to work..

We have to get back to letting lin play attack ball, teams are doubling him hard on pick and roll and right now, the ball seems to end up in amare's hands at the top of the key on those pick and rolls and he is just not hitting shots...


Tough, tough losss.... oh, and why not foul rondo when we were up 3 and the celts had no timeout?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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3/4/2012  4:24 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Fact: Since Carmelo's return, Lin has broken 20 points 1 time. Before Carmelo, Lin broke 20 points 8 times.

The chemistry has been crimped, no one can deny this. We were 8-1 without Carmelo and are now 2-3 with Carmelo.

He's a talented player but his presence is too heavy. Lin has been thrown out of the socket like an ugly woman.

I'm not bashing, this isn't bashing, but I'm recognizing a trend here. Believe me, it PAINS me to have to type these words, but someone has to take a stand. For the fans, for you and me, FOR THIS TEAM!

Did you ever stop at think that maybe Lin is having a harder time because teams of focusing on him and trapping him now?

I think its Melo's fault that it rained yesterday and I got wet. It didn't rain for so long, why yesterday?

Because of Melo!

mrKnickShot, YOU AND I BOTH KNOW that chemistry is a fragile thing, you can't always put a FINGER OR A GLOVE on chemistry.

We're off, out of the socket right now. You want me to cite research studies here, but I can't, THE BURDEN IS ON YOU, in LIGHT OF THE EVIDENCE, to show me that I'm wrong here.

BALL DON'T LIE.

B-BALL ain' black and white. Unless yo is color blind!

IT AIN'T EVEN LIKE THAT, MY DUDE!

Carmelo Anthony is ANTI-BASKETBALL
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3/4/2012  4:25 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
JCrusher wrote:
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nixluva wrote:Lin had a bad game and overall the team seemed a bit off. Not much but just enough to mess up what should've been a win. I'm not really that worried tho, cuz I know this team can play better. This is only one game. The Knicks still have a ton of work to do and it's games like this that make it clear. We still aren't "smooth" on offense and we have defensive lapses.

Lin still has trouble against good defensive teams that take away the PnR and penetration. The C's play a sort of zone where they clog the paint area but can still close out on shooters. They basically play half way between the 3pt line and the paint.

Lin should have attacked a bit more and attempt to finish moves so they couldn't do that. When he watches tape he will adjust. when he penetrated also he had open shooters behind him. Davis did a good job and being more creative with his passes. Vanilla passes are not gonna work against a veteran team like Celtics.

well davis did have 7 turnovers lol


When Lin and Davis both had 6 turnovers at one point with same amount of minutes Davis had 7 assist and Lin had 2. While both good PGs...Davis is way more difficult to contain and read.

well the lakers dallas and pretty much every other team besides the heat had trouble containing lin lol. The celtics didn't really contain lin he just missed some shots and some of his passes were off. im not giving him a pass but it had little to do with boston
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3/4/2012  4:26 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Fact: Since Carmelo's return, Lin has broken 20 points 1 time. Before Carmelo, Lin broke 20 points 8 times.

The chemistry has been crimped, no one can deny this. We were 8-1 without Carmelo and are now 2-3 with Carmelo.

He's a talented player but his presence is too heavy. Lin has been thrown out of the socket like an ugly woman.

I'm not bashing, this isn't bashing, but I'm recognizing a trend here. Believe me, it PAINS me to have to type these words, but someone has to take a stand. For the fans, for you and me, FOR THIS TEAM!

What was the level of competition within those records? How has the team looked in the 5 games since Melo got back..especially the last couple games? Can't just throw out records with no context.
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3/4/2012  4:28 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Fact: Since Carmelo's return, Lin has broken 20 points 1 time. Before Carmelo, Lin broke 20 points 8 times.

The chemistry has been crimped, no one can deny this. We were 8-1 without Carmelo and are now 2-3 with Carmelo.

He's a talented player but his presence is too heavy. Lin has been thrown out of the socket like an ugly woman.

I'm not bashing, this isn't bashing, but I'm recognizing a trend here. Believe me, it PAINS me to have to type these words, but someone has to take a stand. For the fans, for you and me, FOR THIS TEAM!

What was the level of competition within those records? How has the team looked in the 5 games since Melo got back..especially the last couple games? Can't just throw out records with no context.

Context?

Context: On the way to 8-1 we beat the LAKERS, MAVS, and JAZZ!

Context: On the way to 2-3, we beat a disinterested Hawks team and a Cavs team that PULLED AHEAD BY 17 ON US! And LOST TO THE NETS, LOST TO THE HEAT (I'll give you that), and now THE OLD, UGLY, CRIPPLED CELTICS.

Context.

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3/4/2012  4:28 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Fact: Since Carmelo's return, Lin has broken 20 points 1 time. Before Carmelo, Lin broke 20 points 8 times.

The chemistry has been crimped, no one can deny this. We were 8-1 without Carmelo and are now 2-3 with Carmelo.

He's a talented player but his presence is too heavy. Lin has been thrown out of the socket like an ugly woman.

I'm not bashing, this isn't bashing, but I'm recognizing a trend here. Believe me, it PAINS me to have to type these words, but someone has to take a stand. For the fans, for you and me, FOR THIS TEAM!

Did you ever stop at think that maybe Lin is having a harder time because teams of focusing on him and trapping him now?

I think its Melo's fault that it rained yesterday and I got wet. It didn't rain for so long, why yesterday?

Because of Melo!

Crazy...acting like it's Melo fault that Lin missed shots he hits versus lesser teams? Lin is a good player..Melo is a great player. We can root for both. Both have their flaws.
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3/4/2012  4:29 PM
I love you guys but you CAN'T keep IGNORING HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY and TEAM CHEMISTRY, both of which have been THROWN TO THE GARBAGE DUMP OF HISTORY since THE RETURN!!!
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3/4/2012  4:29 PM
I do not get the sects of fans within the Knicks. It is crazy. Lin, Melo, Amare, blah blah blah. NY knicks. We need them all to play well. I think people are missing a key factor, eventhough he was very off this game we still need him on the floor most of the time untill Baron knocks all the rust off. As bad as the staters did at times the Second unit looked awful in the second half. If the starter pg is going to have 6+ TOs your back up can't try to match him. Another key is defense this team lead early not because they were running it was because of good D. They would have blown this game out if not for TOs because their D was so great. Everyone is looking at the O but the D is what changed. Also Peirce killing everyone but Melo. I know Fields get roasted by fans and 2 guards but I thing his D would have been nice at his natural three instead of Shump or Smith and I love their D skills. It just that most 3s have a size advantage on both.
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3/4/2012  4:30 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Fact: Since Carmelo's return, Lin has broken 20 points 1 time. Before Carmelo, Lin broke 20 points 8 times.

The chemistry has been crimped, no one can deny this. We were 8-1 without Carmelo and are now 2-3 with Carmelo.

He's a talented player but his presence is too heavy. Lin has been thrown out of the socket like an ugly woman.

I'm not bashing, this isn't bashing, but I'm recognizing a trend here. Believe me, it PAINS me to have to type these words, but someone has to take a stand. For the fans, for you and me, FOR THIS TEAM!

Did you ever stop at think that maybe Lin is having a harder time because teams of focusing on him and trapping him now?

I think its Melo's fault that it rained yesterday and I got wet. It didn't rain for so long, why yesterday?

Because of Melo!

Crazy...acting like it's Melo fault that Lin missed shots he hits versus lesser teams? Lin is a good player..Melo is a great player. We can root for both. Both have their flaws.

Gotta be fair. Lin had an off game no doubt. melo had a good 4th quarter but its not like he was flawless
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3/4/2012  4:30 PM
The thing is that this team had the lead with only seconds to go and rather than foul MDA let Pierce take a 3! In the end the team did what they were supposed to do and MDA let them down on that one. They should consider making a change in philosophy on fouling when up 3. Just have to be honest that MDA has had this happen to him on too many occasions.

Yes Lin played poorly and they had defensive lapses and yet another poor 3rd qtr, but they had the lead!!! I'd rather take a chance fouling in that instance than take a chance on Pierce or Allen hitting a 3 which is pretty much all they do.
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3/4/2012  4:31 PM
You can't keep enabling, this is enabling behavior right now.

WE'VE BEEN ENABLING for the PAST YEAR!

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3/4/2012  4:31 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I do not get the sects of fans within the Knicks. It is crazy. Lin, Melo, Amare, blah blah blah. NY knicks. We need them all to play well. I think people are missing a key factor, eventhough he was very off this game we still need him on the floor most of the time untill Baron knocks all the rust off. As bad as the staters did at times the Second unit looked awful in the second half. If the starter pg is going to have 6+ TOs your back up can't try to match him. Another key is defense this team lead early not because they were running it was because of good D. They would have blown this game out if not for TOs because their D was so great. Everyone is looking at the O but the D is what changed. Also Peirce killing everyone but Melo. I know Fields get roasted by fans and 2 guards but I thing his D would have been nice at his natural three instead of Shump or Smith and I love their D skills. It just that most 3s have a size advantage on both.
Exactly. I have been saying that. Why are people taking sides. They all play for our team. Now I understand critiquing bad plays and stuff because thats what fans do but we have to support teh whole team
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3/4/2012  4:31 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:I love you guys but you CAN'T keep IGNORING HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY and TEAM CHEMISTRY, both of which have been THROWN TO THE GARBAGE DUMP OF HISTORY since THE RETURN!!!

it's time to put your ass on ignore.

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3/4/2012  4:32 PM
airchibundo507 wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:I love you guys but you CAN'T keep IGNORING HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY and TEAM CHEMISTRY, both of which have been THROWN TO THE GARBAGE DUMP OF HISTORY since THE RETURN!!!

it's time to put your ass on ignore.

YOU WISH you shared my passion and LOVE for this Knicks basketball team.

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3/4/2012  4:33 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
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colombian0725 wrote:I have no idea what's wrong with this team? Why can't we beat the old ass celtics ? they are not a good team! Amare is useless. 100 million for what? He can't hit a open shot and can't rebound or defend. We need to get Chandler someone to help him defend the paint. PF is our biggest weakness. Sick of this switching !!!! wtf? our switching is killing us.

So this was Amare's Fault?? 16 pts...13 rebounds. You don't think it had anything to do with a subpar game from Lin and some questionable coaching decisions?

I think they definitely should have fouled especially cause Celtics had no timeouts..as soon as Garnett caught that pass there should have been a foul.

Amare played ok but he kills the offense. Defense???? He should stay down on the offensive side always.

Lin would look much better with JJ.

I agree. Shoulda fouled but MDA is way too stubborn for that.

You trust JJ on offense more than Amare when Celtics turned their defense up??

First, its not just offense. its defense. No comparison.

And surprisingly, JJ fits much better at this point than Amare. He crashed the Offensive boards much better and looks much better in the PnR.

Sad - but true.

Do you ever think it's because Amare gets more attention. Of course Celtics will not pay attention to JJ on offense but 4th quarter comes around and the Celtics squeeze on defense you need a more gifted offensive player.

He is playing far from gifted and JJ brings much more to the table at this point. It is not even close.

JJ plays on second unit with JR and Novak..lane is more open. you put him in first unit with Chandler, Melo, Lin & Fields (or even Shump)??? that would be a disaster. You would see the JJ of last year. Him trying to make contest layups and missing, fumbling passes in tight windows, not getting foul calls cause he looks like a scrub on offense.

Amare plays against 1st team talent & defense. It's a different story.
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3/4/2012  4:37 PM
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nixluva wrote:Lin had a bad game and overall the team seemed a bit off. Not much but just enough to mess up what should've been a win. I'm not really that worried tho, cuz I know this team can play better. This is only one game. The Knicks still have a ton of work to do and it's games like this that make it clear. We still aren't "smooth" on offense and we have defensive lapses.

Lin still has trouble against good defensive teams that take away the PnR and penetration. The C's play a sort of zone where they clog the paint area but can still close out on shooters. They basically play half way between the 3pt line and the paint.

when we were running the ball we were killing them then we went back to isos and thats exactly what boston wnats and we paid once again

That hurt but good offense is not driving with your eyes down and throwing prayers up. You bring up how they did not move around like they did in past games. Which is interesting because the second unit were the ones who played iso Bball(top of the key) in the third and early fourth when Melo and Lin where out. My question to you is why not bring up movement with the ISO plays in the post?

Shouldn't jump to conclusions. i guess you mean i meant melo but i was referring to the second unit as well. so next time ask me before jumping to conclusions lol

Actualy I was just asking a question. I have no problems with your posts just wanted deeper understanding.
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