Jordan shot 50% or better in 19 of the 35 games

Kobe shot 50% or better in just 5 of the 35 games

Jordan shot 48.1% over those 35 games (438 for 911)

Kobe shooting 41.6% over those 35 games (318 for 765)

KnicksSince88 wrote:

TMS wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:

TMS wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:Gasol has had a very good series tonight aside. All this talk about Kobe's supporting cast. He'd still be getting knocked out in round 1 yearly without Pau.

How about a guy who some people have the nerve to compare to the greatest player of all time not shooting 42% and turning the ball all over the place. How about not having horrifying 4th quarters all series. How about rising above it once and willing your team home. I saw it from MJ countless times. I watched MJ win playoff series where Scottie completely disappeared. I watched him carry his team home vs Utah when Scottie could barely walk with a bad back. Get it done. No more talk about his supporting cast. He has a good enough cast. This has been a close series, if Kobe had been great this series, rather than merely "ho-hum", they could easily be going home up 3-2

i agree that Kobe's got a good enough supporting cast to win... however if that supporting cast is playing like crap & disappearing in crunchtime, even MJ wouldn't be able to win titles all by himself, as great as he was... there have been years where the Bulls won championships that perhaps don't even happen had certain role players not stepped up & made game changing plays for them... Kobe can't be judged fairly under the shadow of MJ anyway, who can? completely different era where defenses got away with a lot more contact & handchecking to guard MJ over his career... there will never be another Michael Jordan.

Why just knock the supporting cast for failing in crunch time? Like I said before, Kobe is shooting 28% in the 4th quarter of the games in this series. This is a guy who often gets called arguably the greatest closer ever. 9 for 32, just pathetic

At least you are on the same page with me regarding MJ and Kobe. It just pisses me off when people try to elevate Kobe to that level, and they are. You can just see people waiting to crown the guy if he can win another ring or two. I don't care if Kobe winds up with 7 or 8 rings. We've seen him at his best, and its not as good as Jordan

i just can't knock Kobe for shooting low percentage in crunchtime when he's almost forced to take shots while double & triple teamed because none of his teammates are stepping up to help share the load... some of that also has to do with his distrust of putting the ball in anyone else's hands, but if guys were stepping up like they were supposed to, i think it makes Kobe's job a lot easier in crunchtime to do his thing... & we've all seen him do his thing many times in big games throughout his career... there's no doubt he's the best shotmaker in the NBA, barnone... sorry but Lebron doesn't have it over Kobe.

I can knock him for it. 28% is awful i don't care what excuses you want to throw out there for him. This is a guy who many are now calling a top 8-10 player in history. He gets held to a different standard

Hes always been a poor finals shooter though. Always. 41.6% career for the guy they call arguably the clutchest closer ever

i'm not throwing excuses, just giving an opinion... seems like you're passionate about this issue... i'm really not that big of a Kobe fan, just respect the guy for his talent & ability, same as i did for MJ.

- Completely disappearing in the 2004 finals and getting erased by Tayshaun Prince

- Blowing a 3-1 series lead to the Suns, granted they were overmatched by the Suns, but when you're up 3-1, you're up 3-1. MJ's not losing 3 straight. Then there was the whole not shooting for a whole half in game 7 where his team gets run off the floor, and he just idly sits by and watches

- Blowing a 24 point 2nd half lead of an NBA finals game that you absolutely need, on your home floor no less, and shooting 40% in the series when Boston sent Kobe home in 2008

- Having all sorts of trouble doing anything in the 4th quarter of any game in this series. Pitiful 4th quarter shooting all series long

I can go on and on. The bottom line with MJ, you were not holding him down for a prolonged stretch. He would never in a million years have a 2004 or 2008 type finals. He could have a down game in a big spot here or there, everyone can. But he would always bounce back. Case and point. Played a horrid game 3 against us in the 93 Eastern Finals. You would bet your life that he was going to crap on us in game 4. And he drops 54. I can honestly say I never saw the man play a poor playoff series. Even in the years Detroit was sending him home, he was still getting his, his team just wasn't good enough yet. MJ in these situations was near spotless.

I've always had a weird relationship with Kobe from a fan standpoint, in that I liked him early in his career and still do to a degree. But the more his accomplishments mount, and people start taking these next steps to argue that he is somehow on Jordans level, it just drives me crazy. Its insulting to anyone who saw both guys play. Even many people who should know better are saying things like "well if he gets ring #5 or #6, then you gotta put him right there." I mean please. Its not just about rings. I don't care if he wins 7 or 8. I think the further we get removed from what Jordan did, maybe some people are starting to forget some.

Its not fair to Kobe at times to compare him to a guy who was so damn near spotless in every big situation, but hes always going to come up short when you do. Michael Jordan was a machine. Kobe by comparison is a mere earthling, like everyone else. Maybe the closest wing we'll see to MJ in a while, but theres still a pretty significant gap in my mind

sebstar wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Pau Gasol showing the world just how overrated he is by everyone. Made a note to call out KG early in the series and since then has been KG's you know what. Everybody is blocking his shot and pushing him around. The only thing missing is Nate to come up a block him straight up. Best big man in the game my ascot.

funny. i sent out a mass text to Laker fans saying the same thing. He was a dummy for that. I dont know what he was thinking. Say what you want about KG, but that is a proud and talented cat, and Gasoft called him out in the worst way. Pau sure as hell aint built to bark like that. Ever since KG has been on a mission. This is his last stand.

Pau been getting bullied ever since. Not as easy as when he was playing against 6'7 power forwards.

you guys are ragging on gasol? he's had 1 bad game. up until last nights game, he's averaging 20pts/9rebs/3blks a game. gimme a break, gasol has been the only other guy playing with bean.

pharz, seb (in the words of mark jackson ... you are better than that.

Maybe Stern has asked for a 7 game series?

nyk4ever wrote:

sebstar wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Pau Gasol showing the world just how overrated he is by everyone. Made a note to call out KG early in the series and since then has been KG's you know what. Everybody is blocking his shot and pushing him around. The only thing missing is Nate to come up a block him straight up. Best big man in the game my ascot.

funny. i sent out a mass text to Laker fans saying the same thing. He was a dummy for that. I dont know what he was thinking. Say what you want about KG, but that is a proud and talented cat, and Gasoft called him out in the worst way. Pau sure as hell aint built to bark like that. Ever since KG has been on a mission. This is his last stand.

Pau been getting bullied ever since. Not as easy as when he was playing against 6'7 power forwards.

you guys are ragging on gasol? he's had 1 bad game. up until last nights game, he's averaging 20pts/9rebs/3blks a game. gimme a break, gasol has been the only other guy playing with bean.

pharz, seb (in the words of mark jackson ... you are better than that.

He ate KG's lunch the first game --- then he made those retarded comments. In game 2, KG was neutralized due to foul trouble but ever since he's been possessed. Pau has been a nonfactor ever since. Empty stats dont mean shyt now and he's not impacting the games.

You say one bad game as if its a march game against the grizzlies. In a pivotal game 5 duke didnt even score 10 pts. And up until a few days ago, people were saying he was the best PF in the league.

sebstar wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

sebstar wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Pau Gasol showing the world just how overrated he is by everyone. Made a note to call out KG early in the series and since then has been KG's you know what. Everybody is blocking his shot and pushing him around. The only thing missing is Nate to come up a block him straight up. Best big man in the game my ascot.

funny. i sent out a mass text to Laker fans saying the same thing. He was a dummy for that. I dont know what he was thinking. Say what you want about KG, but that is a proud and talented cat, and Gasoft called him out in the worst way. Pau sure as hell aint built to bark like that. Ever since KG has been on a mission. This is his last stand.

Pau been getting bullied ever since. Not as easy as when he was playing against 6'7 power forwards.

you guys are ragging on gasol? he's had 1 bad game. up until last nights game, he's averaging 20pts/9rebs/3blks a game. gimme a break, gasol has been the only other guy playing with bean.

pharz, seb (in the words of mark jackson ... you are better than that.

He ate KG's lunch the first game --- then he made those retarded comments. In game 2, KG was neutralized due to foul trouble but ever since he's been possessed. Pau has been a nonfactor ever since. Empty stats dont mean shyt now and he's not impacting the games.

You say one bad game as if its a march game against the grizzlies. In a pivotal game 5 duke didnt even score 10 pts. And up until a few days ago, people were saying he was the best PF in the league.

but what's that say about garnett pierce and allen? all 3 have had some pretty crap games against the lakers this series.