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8/22/2022  6:06 PM
smackeddog wrote:Still think there’s a good chance the nets trade KD for picks (like the Griz deal), then flip those for D-Mitch once they’ve worked out a way to get rid of Simmons.

Also think the Jazz have an agreement with D-Mitch that as long as he doesn’t go public demanding a trade, they’ll work towards sending him to a team of his preference (likely Heat, Knicks and maybe Nets), which is why he hasn’t grumbled.

If the Nets get D-Mitch, what do they do with Kyrie? That would make for an unholy backcourt pairing, and not in a good way for the Nets.
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8/22/2022  6:31 PM
wargames wrote:

They need to just stop negotiating with Ainge. That is a legit package and he wants more. Just stop and move on.

agreed, it will be hard to support this regime if they do this deal.
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8/22/2022  6:48 PM
I said it before and I'll say it again......Danny Ainge is not serious about trading Mitchell.
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8/22/2022  9:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/22/2022  9:41 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again......Danny Ainge is not serious about trading Mitchell.

He is serious but he thinks he must get way overpaid for every trade. We will find out just how smart our front office is.

My best offer would be 3 unprotected picks(what he really wants.) No Young players[Cam and McBride excluded] plus a negotiated amount of swaps and protected picks. If he still wants more then hang up the phone and lets run this back with what we really needed all along a PG and better luck with health.
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8/23/2022  2:03 AM
Unprotected picks are an heresy. Protection 1-3 is a minimum. You can potentially lose generational talent like that.
Ainge is doing Ainge, he doesn't negotiate. I was intrigued by Mitchell on the Knicks at first but the price is too high. Let's improve organically. This is not our time yet.
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8/23/2022  4:29 AM
The offer the Knicks made is sufficient. If they wanted McBride too, I would add him but that is it. Toppin is a solid prospect, plus five 1st rounders. I would only do the two unprotected and the rest protected. If Ainge can get someone to make a better offer, then so be it, but I would not offer more.
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8/23/2022  7:19 AM
Is it weird or good that the Rokas pick never has come up in these leaks?
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8/23/2022  7:34 AM
Knicks Film School has some thoughts:

https://knicksfilmschool.substack.com/p/the-talk
https://knicksfilmschool.substack.com/p/the-talk-part-ii

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8/23/2022  8:16 AM
martin wrote:Is it weird or good that the Rokas pick never has come up in these leaks?

I threw him in early as its a good move for him if they can clear out Conley also and get him minutes. Rokas needs playing and adjustment time.
If he gets moved we know the media until now had no inkling of the real deal.
Rokas should count as a 1st round pick in the Ainge count.
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8/23/2022  8:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/23/2022  8:41 AM
Ainge is going to win this trade. As per Berman it seems Thibs is getting loose lips and ready to sink the Knicks. As per Berman it seems Thibs is okay parting with Barret rather than Grimes. But it’s Berman and NY media fake news.
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Vmart wrote:Ainge is going to win this trade. As per Berman it seems Thibs is getting loose lips and ready to sink the Knicks. As per Berman it seems Thibs is okay parting with Barret rather than Grimes. But it’s Berman and NY media fake news.

And what are we to make up your disclosure?
How do we “lose the trade” if not a game has been played? If the knicks win 50 games how do we judge?
Do we base it on Ainge getting his way?

Where is the trade considered “fair”? Do we win by Ainge not getting all that is reported he wants?
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8/23/2022  9:34 AM
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:Is it weird or good that the Rokas pick never has come up in these leaks?

I threw him in early as its a good move for him if they can clear out Conley also and get him minutes. Rokas needs playing and adjustment time.
If he gets moved we know the media until now had no inkling of the real deal.
Rokas should count as a 1st round pick in the Ainge count.

The Rok has no real value from a salary matching standpoint and as much as I'm excited about him, he hasn't played an NBA game. He's got to be behind Obi, Grimes and IQ on whatever value chart the Jazz has for Knicks prospects. Plus, Rokas still has a say on when he comes over. Does Ainge want to deal with the headache of negotiations? I think he'd rather have a pick, even if it's protected.

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8/23/2022  9:43 AM
shinmen wrote:Unprotected picks are an heresy. Protection 1-3 is a minimum. You can potentially lose generational talent like that.
Ainge is doing Ainge, he doesn't negotiate. I was intrigued by Mitchell on the Knicks at first but the price is too high. Let's improve organically. This is not our time yet.

I am pretty much here now. Would have loved to add Mitchell but the price is just too high. I am more intrigued by the 2023 draft than certain that Mitchell puts us over the top.

You know I gonna spin wit it
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8/23/2022  10:36 AM
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shinmen wrote:Unprotected picks are an heresy. Protection 1-3 is a minimum. You can potentially lose generational talent like that.
Ainge is doing Ainge, he doesn't negotiate. I was intrigued by Mitchell on the Knicks at first but the price is too high. Let's improve organically. This is not our time yet.

I am pretty much here now. Would have loved to add Mitchell but the price is just too high. I am more intrigued by the 2023 draft than certain that Mitchell puts us over the top.


The problem with the 2023 draft is our picks are looking to be mid, maybe late lottery at best. Also, Thibs if he's still here. You think he's hesitant to play rooks now? Imagine him when he's truly on the hot seat.
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BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
shinmen wrote:Unprotected picks are an heresy. Protection 1-3 is a minimum. You can potentially lose generational talent like that.
Ainge is doing Ainge, he doesn't negotiate. I was intrigued by Mitchell on the Knicks at first but the price is too high. Let's improve organically. This is not our time yet.

I am pretty much here now. Would have loved to add Mitchell but the price is just too high. I am more intrigued by the 2023 draft than certain that Mitchell puts us over the top.


The problem with the 2023 draft is our picks are looking to be mid, maybe late lottery at best. Also, Thibs if he's still here. You think he's hesitant to play rooks now? Imagine him when he's truly on the hot seat.

Looking at the draft, it is pretty deep. I think they can get high caliber rotation 3&Ds in the 10-20 range and solid PFs in the 20-30. I think you could give Johnnie Bryant a lot to work with. Its a deep draft and if you get athletes and commit to developing them over a few years, you will end up with a team looking like the Raptors in about 3 years.

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8/23/2022  11:14 AM
Nalod wrote:
Vmart wrote:Ainge is going to win this trade. As per Berman it seems Thibs is getting loose lips and ready to sink the Knicks. As per Berman it seems Thibs is okay parting with Barret rather than Grimes. But it’s Berman and NY media fake news.

And what are we to make up your disclosure?
How do we “lose the trade” if not a game has been played? If the knicks win 50 games how do we judge?
Do we base it on Ainge getting his way?

Where is the trade considered “fair”? Do we win by Ainge not getting all that is reported he wants?

From my prospective I believe the Knicks already lost the trade. If you’re giving away two unprotected you lost. Giving up 5 number one picks Obi and possibly RJ. I watched other teams and how they faired including our own teams Melo trade. Not worth it for a guy you can have in free agency in a couple of years. Just across the river you seen them add superstar after superstar and nothing to show for it. You look at the Lakers with the Davis trade they got a chip and now it’s all down hill for them. As we have found out the grass is not always greener.
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8/23/2022  11:15 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
shinmen wrote:Unprotected picks are an heresy. Protection 1-3 is a minimum. You can potentially lose generational talent like that.
Ainge is doing Ainge, he doesn't negotiate. I was intrigued by Mitchell on the Knicks at first but the price is too high. Let's improve organically. This is not our time yet.

I am pretty much here now. Would have loved to add Mitchell but the price is just too high. I am more intrigued by the 2023 draft than certain that Mitchell puts us over the top.


The problem with the 2023 draft is our picks are looking to be mid, maybe late lottery at best. Also, Thibs if he's still here. You think he's hesitant to play rooks now? Imagine him when he's truly on the hot seat.

Looking at the draft, it is pretty deep. I think they can get high caliber rotation 3&Ds in the 10-20 range and solid PFs in the 20-30. I think you could give Johnnie Bryant a lot to work with. Its a deep draft and if you get athletes and commit to developing them over a few years, you will end up with a team looking like the Raptors in about 3 years.

Trading away future #1's and young talent for the splashy move is what the Knicks did for many many years -- which created the hole they are trying to crawl out of. While nothing definite is in place, the general parameters of the "haul" the Jazz would receive would guarantee a mediocre to average maybe slightly above average team in the near future. Whereas staying the course could conceivably entail a higher ceiling (and probably lower floor). To me it's nuts to go down the same path and expect different results.
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8/23/2022  11:51 AM
An unprotected pick is betting without a hedge. You can do that if you already have a base in place like the bucks did. There are things that can go wrong with 2/6-1 guards that we will only find out about after the fact. Assuming we’re gonna be good for 5-6 years based on no data is a recipe for disaster. Let’s wait and see what we have— we have many question marks to go outside the box. If we need picks to make a trade or we decide we need the picks —we have them in our safety deposit box.
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8/23/2022  12:17 PM
This front office has demonstrated patience and discipline. They are in an impossible situation. Dont give danny his asking and not trade for Mitchell, the media will surely have something negatively to say. If at the end of the day Leon caves in and surrender more than 5 1st rounders the knicks thru the media will again the the laughing stock of the NBA. Given these scenarios, i dont see Leon giving way to Danny's asking price. It seems that might be the lesser evil.

Im ready to watch this current roster this season im waiting for people to be surprised by the effects a real PG replacing Burks can do to this team's win loss record this season
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8/23/2022  12:26 PM
Honestly there is no rush.

He’s not giving him away to the Nets, Hornets, Heat. Mitchell isn’t going to the Kings so options become limited.

What happens when Grimes starts to shine, IQ looks better with Rose and RJ and Obi start to produce wins.

Stay the course and see what else comes up.
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