Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Free van fleet incredible tonight w 54 points hardly missed 11 threes

Imagine how good this team would be with him instead of Payton?

No one doubted that the Knicks would have had a better record this season if they signed FVV. But they still would not have been championship caliber, and already capped out with his $20m annual salary on the books. With limited room for improvement.

jrodmc wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Free van fleet incredible tonight w 54 points hardly missed 11 threes

Imagine how good this team would be with him instead of Payton?

No one doubted that the Knicks would have had a better record this season if they signed FVV. But they still would not have been championship caliber, and already capped out with his $20m annual salary on the books. With limited room for improvement.

Not to mention the added thrill of watching him go 1-7 and 2-6 game after game while we wait for this one freak game where he shoots 70% from 3. And then IQ would probably not be getting 20-30 min a game now, would he?

But, we could have had Woods for less.......LOL

jrodmc wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Free van fleet incredible tonight w 54 points hardly missed 11 threes

Imagine how good this team would be with him instead of Payton?

No one doubted that the Knicks would have had a better record this season if they signed FVV. But they still would not have been championship caliber, and already capped out with his $20m annual salary on the books. With limited room for improvement.

Not to mention the added thrill of watching him go 1-7 and 2-6 game after game while we wait for this one freak game where he shoots 70% from 3. And then IQ would probably not be getting 20-30 min a game now, would he?

Also, didn't he alert the Knicks through back channels that he did not want to come?

HofstraBBall wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Free van fleet incredible tonight w 54 points hardly missed 11 threes

Imagine how good this team would be with him instead of Payton?

No one doubted that the Knicks would have had a better record this season if they signed FVV. But they still would not have been championship caliber, and already capped out with his $20m annual salary on the books. With limited room for improvement.

Not to mention the added thrill of watching him go 1-7 and 2-6 game after game while we wait for this one freak game where he shoots 70% from 3. And then IQ would probably not be getting 20-30 min a game now, would he?

Brought this up on another thread. Most ignore the minus of adding a player. IQ would have had zero opportunity if we added VanVleet. You look at IQ's per 36 and it is at some measures better than VanVleet. Not to mention VanVleet is getting plus 20M. Raptors with Van Fleet, Lowery and Siakam are just okay. Yet we are to believe he would have put our roster over the top. I liked VanVleet but happy with IQ. Do agree that we need a better shooting PG instead of Payton. Although for the price, Payton was not a bad option.

Fair to bring up that Knicks and Toronto have similar records so far with the Knicks having far less talent and having had played a difficult schedule. Toronto doing the playing home games in different country thing. Records won't last that way but we are a quarter way thru season

smackeddog wrote:Mavs vs hawks today- don't see the mavs losing it, unfortunately

Trae out?

wargames wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Mavs vs hawks today- don't see the mavs losing it, unfortunately

Trae out?

I expect a shoot out. If the mavs lose though. Somebody might get fired

Can someone tell me how +/- has any value when Solomon Hill shoots 0% from everywhere, grabs 3 whole rebounds in 26 minutes and is +11?

KnickDanger wrote:

jrodmc wrote:KP letting Willie get the blocks. Gallo and Rondo on the second unit for the Hawks.

Can someone tell me how +/- has any value when Solomon Hill shoots 0% from everywhere, grabs 3 whole rebounds in 26 minutes and is +11?

Eye test always > +/- which I have no comprehension of other than it seems wack.

I guess it's just being on the floor at the right time, with the right people. Even if you're just taking up space against someone else who's just taking up space.
He did have 1 steal, I think...