martin wrote: Scientists report facts, media should help us understand those facts. From there you can perhaps draw your own conclusions.

Thanks Martin, I think this is absolute key to deal with todays information landscape... today, more than ever we are asked to use our brain and draw our own conclusions and not only consume the information delivered as a given fact.

Within a situation like this where even the experts are often times not 100% sure how to interprete the developments and numbers its super tough of course.
I know its a little naive but left or right political agendas should right now not be the key factors influencing the actions taken. The common goal must be the public health and an economic situations that at least allows us to rebound in some time.
Nalod wrote that socalist (or more socialist) states find it easier now to take care of their population due to the high taxes, thats absolutely correct and I "right now" would not want to change position for sure. I am sure that even if I would loose my job there would be options and a safety net. Of course this also does not work forever! There has to be an end to the Covid actions but the timing should be mainly (not only obviously) based on science and the Covid development/public health. In Munich our new infections have been at a reasonably low level the past 1,5 weeks now and the MP is slowly starting to reopen things up. This is only possilbe since the health officials will be able to track down the new infections and quarantine quickly. At least thats the basic idea and hope!
Neve the less... no big gatherings, no Oktoberfest (HUGE economic impact here!) and still no Kindergardens + Home office for most ppl.
BTW the MP (a man called Söder) has literally turned me away from voting the "major" conservative party here in 2015 when he tackled the emigration situation with a lot of "for me" way too far nationalist comments. Now 5 years later he is handling this situation very well, being the main figure of "patience and science driven actions" in Germany next to Angela Merkel. I do NOT agree with his general political "position" (for me too far right) but I applaude his leadership in this crisis. This is for also including him NOT being a mere puppet of the industry!
Him being MP of Bavaria and us being a car state (BMW is from here and has A LOT of power!) he has not jumped on any car industry safing ideas but has been rather clear that it would be key for him that any substituting the car industry would also have to benefit a more ecological footprint (a very Green idea of course).

Now has he reacted to his party loosing MAJOR numbers of votes to the Green party... of course...
Is he an opportunistic politician... of course...

But hey he does show that this basic idea of democracy... I can influence policy with my vote does work sometimes by pushing the agenda.
Sorry got caugth up in this... ;-)

Well again Martin... fully agree with your above comment! :-)
Thanks!

NotInMyHouse wrote:

martin wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:Martin, all – I was very clear in my post with “Not sure if I’m reading this correctly” and listing the tracking sites I use. I can’t be much more careful if I want to ask a question / talk about something.

Let me try to give you (all) a different perspective since I am in the minority here.

Liberals essentially own MSM (CNN, ABC, CBS, and I’ll even throw FOX in there, even though they seem to have more balance.), Social Media (e.g. YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc.), The Education/College system, Hollywood, and on. And as it relates to this thread, Liberals in the medical system also seem to be directing the pandemic narrative (for the most part.)

How can anyone disuss another point of view if anything right of left is not allowed? Am I wrong? What news sites are acceptable that cover more than just a left perspective? I get news from many many sites but am not sure what is even acceptable (that isn't left anyway.) Talking about a topic that affects everyone, while only using one side of MSM seems inherently flawed, and biased by definition. FOX is the only MSM that touches center or right of center, and I’m not even a fan.

It goes both ways regarding looking inside or in the mirror. We all can benefit from that.

Respectfully,

So, your perspective is not right, lets start there. Fox is not center and right center; similarly CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC are not MSM who are owned by liberals. Get that our of your head. You will always be able to find an outlier (report, reporter) here and there but at high level your starting point is waaaayyyy off.

The medical system is just what it is: the medical system. There is no directing the pandemic narrative from a scientific perspective. Scientists report facts, media should help us understand those facts. From there you can perhaps draw your own conclusions.

I have no idea why YOU think that liberals essentially own MSM, Social Media, Educational system, Hollywood (why do you care about this?), etc. Perhaps you can explain that perspective, cause it seems to come straight from ultra right type outlets.

Help everyone else out. Perhaps you can describe your background, demographics, etc.

I did send you another email, might help.

A bit early to tell someone they are wrong before you really start discussing a topic, no? And I don’t think it is black and white anyway. There are many doctors who have a differing opinion to the WHO. This is getting harder to find for Youtube’s new policy is that you can’t post videos against WHO’s findings. Many feel that flattening the curve is just moving deaths out to later date (e.g. higher suicide rate, higher opiate abuse and alcoholism, falling cancer research studies, many hospital staff on furlough, also that being inside so much is weakening our immune system (basic immunology)).

Per your email, I’m white, over 45 and was liberally educated (West Coast University) and raised that way. Never had a problem with it. I have really only started questioning things since Trump got in. I have never seen the media so against a President in their coverage and that was my wake up call (Along with social media censorship.) I mean the economy was screaming; one of the best in our history and they would skip over that.

I think they still report 85% or higher negative things about Trump. FOX is clearly lower than that but that doesn’t mean I like them. Thing is, I can see some positive things that Trump does but I never hear it reported. If I turn on CNN, ABC, NBC, etc., it just seems all negative re. Trump. That is not representative of polls and the people I meet. That is not reporting news; that is telling people what to think. They are not giving us many different perspectives re information and letting us decide.

You asked me why I think MSM is left leaning. I’m not a conservative mind you; I’m a bit split if you look at the issues. The media are pretty pro many larger Liberal ideologies, such as:

1. Reporting seems pro Globalization. They seem to be pro open border and against The Wall. No problems with manufacturing being mostly in China.
2. They literally support big Tech, which is so clearly left leaning.
3. Abortion – The media seems pretty much pro abortion when you look at their coverage.
4. They are pro Affirmative Action in large part.
5. They are not pro Constitution by all accounts.
6. They support more government in our lives. This is most apparent when you look at Trump being more into deregulation, less government, simplified tax system, bringing troops home, etc.
7. Their perspectives on Energy, Global Warming and the environment are very strongly left leaning. Greta got more attention than someone with no qualifications should have. As Bill Gates is to vaccines, Greta is to the Environment.
8. They are clearly against the 2nd amendment and firearms. But they don’t seem to be against militarizing our Police.
9. They lean towards a government based health care system.
10. They often support Liberal views on marriage. e.g. same sex
11. Taxes – Mostly they seem to support higher taxes. They appear to support Biden who is very vocal about higher taxes.
12. They are Pro United Nations and not for National sovereignty.
13. They are pro welfare state.

Future Media Marker – Almost two years ago in the political thread I mentioned the FISA declass and the sources of the Russian Dossier will be something of interest going forward. I knew almost nothing about it at the time (and wasn't even a political person) but I saw how the media was covering it in a very anti Trump way and so I started looking deeper. IMO – it is looking like indictments are coming though I never thought it would amount to that from the media’s initial coverage. Watch how the media covers this (or not.)

I don't have time or energy to respond in full. You keep mentioning that you are not conservative but it's clear to me that the places you get your information are far right conservative outlets/sources. I am guessing the people around you that you interact with are the same. Your perspective is not Center; IMHO it's far right in fact.

Your 1-13 are like a list of talking points from a very far right conservative. I don't even know how you come up with such a list.

From you previously:

NotInMyHouse wrote:I don't really watch TV, so I am not familiar with CNN, ABC, FOX, etc. that much (more via internet clips.)

You can't both claim you don't watch TV and also know how they lean one way or the other. To me it does mean you are getting your information from a particular source that is heavily slanted to come up with 1-13; it's too detailed and an obvious propaganda outlet.

I would say that you, just as with everyone, will be in part defined by the places we get our information and what we choose to believe, process and use to inform ourselves. As an example, in one of your first posts here I let you know that linking to an article from FoxNews just straight awful, the information there should never be relied upon. Similarly, you linked to a Tweet from Dan Bongino (your friend sent it to you), this guy is a legit quack, like ****ing ******* insane quack. The video you presented of 2 doctors has been completely eviscerated as false x1000, downright blown away by legitimate people in their fields of expertise.

Here are some good starting points from people who are scientists within their fields that have been putting out pretty good info re COVID-19. Choose wisely.

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch
https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk

Did you get a chance to see the plandemic documentary that has been circulating on social media? Interested on what you think.

BigDaddyG wrote:https://www.ibtimes.sg/video-african-man-dragged-by-leg-supermarket-china-blacks-barred-entry-44519

The video it is claimed is from a supermarket in Beijing where the African man had gone along with his friend to shop for groceries.

The two, it is claimed, were asked to leave as blacks are not allowed. However, when one of them refused to leave the store, he was dragged by the leg and thrown out of the supermarket.

In the video, onlookers can be heard laughing and giggling as the African man is being dragged out of the store.

It’s awful to see, however I’m also aware that there’s going to be a big push of anti Chinese sentiment, so I’m very wary of sharing videos like these in the current climate. Plenty of racist tossers in China, just like there is everywhere else.

NYKBocker wrote:Firefly

Did you get a chance to see the plandemic documentary that has been circulating on social media? Interested on what you think.

I have not. I saw that one friend of mine shared it on Facebook. I clicked on it knowing it was just going to piss me off and I'm delighted to see it's been taken down already. I can only imagine it was full of the usual stupidity, from Bill Gates to 5G. When things are ****, people try their hardest to blame. The big faceless They. That's how antisemitism starts, that's how racism starts,that's how most conspiracy theories start. I don't have time for **** like that tbh.

firefly wrote:

firefly wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Firefly

Did you get a chance to see the plandemic documentary that has been circulating on social media? Interested on what you think.

I have not. I saw that one friend of mine shared it on Facebook. I clicked on it knowing it was just going to piss me off and I'm delighted to see it's been taken down already. I can only imagine it was full of the usual stupidity, from Bill Gates to 5G. When things are ****, people try their hardest to blame. The big faceless They. That's how antisemitism starts, that's how racism starts,that's how most conspiracy theories start. I don't have time for **** like that tbh.

Or did I miss something worth watching?

I still haven't watched it, but now that I've read this from a colleague on Facebook, I probably won't as well. The anti-vax community are terrible. I've not seen a single thing ever that would correlate to their world view. In my opinion it's a psychotic thing to say vaccinations are a way to control the world. Vaccinations save lives. This isn't, shouldn't and should never be in question. Not in the interest of "hearing both sides of the story" or anything. You don't need to listen to both sides of the story when it's a rambling fountain of nonsense. Yet again, that quote "deep in the pocket of...". Simply a way to say "I have more integrity than doctors because they are educated, do things I don't understand and therefore are doing it for evil purposes and to profit from it". It's seriously disgraceful. I'm not putting all doctors in some saintly category but I can tell you personally, I have been been published multiple times, I have been peer reviewed countless times and given teaching and presentations on all kind of cutting edge life-saving techniques and tech. And I've never been offered anything from the pharmaceutical industry. Never been "turned". Never even had an offer of pocket lining. And none of my colleagues have either. It's a worldview that simply doesn't exist. But it serves to allow some people to yet again blame everything on THEM. The big grey they. And tbh it's sad. Because guess what when these *******s get sick, I'll still treat them and so will my colleagues. Zero sum game all round except the impressionable minds who think there's something to these mendacious malignant malcontents.

Disclaimer: I don't know this guy personally, it was posted by a colleague of mine, so I'll share it here.

.Yo I’m not going to watch your 25-minute YouTube conspiracy video. I’m not even going to watch your 5-minute conspiracy video. This isn’t because I don’t have an open mind. This is because video is a ****ty way to transmit information, specifically geared towards emotional manipulation, and I hate it. I can read probably about five times as fast as people speak, so if you want me to look at a write-up, I’ll try to find a time when I have the emotional energy for it. One of my friends was nice enough to summarize parts of it for me, which I respond to below. This is another long one.

I want to address, specifically, the first thirteen seconds of the “Plandemic Documentary” conspiracy video, because that’s all I watched. It starts by saying Dr. Judy Mikovits “has been called one of the most accomplished scientists of her generation”. Snopes did a good article on who she is: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/scientist-vaccine-jailed/
Basically she had done some reasonable science at some point, some of it on HIV, and then published a paper in Science about XMRV and chronic fatigue syndrome. The paper was retracted because nobody could replicate the findings, and it was concluded that the XMRV came entirely from laboratory contamination. Someone else wrote a poorly-sourced paper about how XMRV could have gotten into humans via vaccines, and the anti-vax/plague-enthusiast community jumped on this as a possible way that vaccines hurt people. Mikovits also ran into some troubles with the law for allegedly stealing lab equipment after being fired. She’s now basically off the deep end and popular in the anti-vax community. I would say that pretty much anything she says should be taken with SERIOUS skepticism.

The problem with a lot of conspiracy theories/videos usually comes down to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
It takes a lot more effort to refute and argue against false claims than it does to make them. I’m sure that somebody at some point will come up with a comprehensive point-by-point refutation of this video, it just takes a while. One of the bigger mistakes we’ve made as a scientific community (and keep making) is that we let **** like this go unchecked for too long. It can be pretty obvious to someone with a scientific background (like the Bakersfield doctors bull****) and still spread widely in the population.

-From what I can tell, a big claim in this video is that the pandemic isn’t that dangerous, and that the measures we’re taking are an overreaction. First off, I’d like to say that I have a very legitimate concern about the potential authoritarian consequences of what it’s going to take to track and treat patients. I have very serious concerns about the economic impact of what’s going on. I don’t think there’s a good way out of this, and I don’t think there are any completely good options. This **** sucks a LOT and it makes me really sad. What I don’t have time for is the infantile fantasy that those choices somehow don’t exist and that there’s some reason that this situation doesn’t actually suck as badly as it does. It’s possible that we’re overreacting as a society! It just really doesn’t seem likely. As I’ve said before, anyone claiming certainty about what to do here is somewhere between being overconfident and just plain lying. What I can say is that the overwhelming evidence so far indicates that the measures we’re taking are going to mean the American death toll of this disease being hundreds of thousands instead of millions.

-SARS-CoV-2 wasn’t engineered in a lab: https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html
People have been studying viruses for a long time. Part of that study involves manipulating them. There was a whole controversy a while back about making more lethal flu strains. That doesn’t mean SARS-CoV-2 wasn’t naturally occurring. It may seem suspicious that this pandemic is happening, but we as a scientific community have talked about this possibility for DECADES. SARS-CoV-1, MERS, recent flu pandemics, etc. weren’t this big just because we were lucky. Nobody is talking about how we made those in a lab (they weren’t) because nobody cares about them.

-I generally agree that nobody should profit off a vaccine. That’s a problem with capitalism, and the US specifically, and is true of everything in the medical community.

-About MDs being incentivized to report coronavirus cases (from a prior comment of mine):
This is a common conspiracy theory. People who claim physicians are over-reporting deaths typically point to the (true) fact that hospitals get paid a bonus for Covid patients, so there's a financial incentive for claiming that a person died from Covid. This has a few major holes in it:

1) Falsifying a medical record is illegal, hospitals get audited by CMS (Medicare) all the time to make sure the charts are accurate, and there are huge fines for lying.
2) Hospitals do get paid extra, but physicians don't, which is something people seem not to understand. This theory assumes that physicians are willing to put themselves at legal risk for the sake of a hospital (we almost always aren't).
3) There's a huge list of conditions that allow hospitals to get paid more for admissions - low sodium, malnutrition, diabetes, etc. We don't lie about these conditions either, because of 1 and 2 above.
4) The extra money for Covid patients is for medical notes, not death certificates. This is a subtle distinction to people outside the medical field, but putting a cause of death on a certificate is a separate process from documenting in a note, and falsifying those is ALSO illegal.

The other thing that I would say is that if you have Covid, it exacerbates underlying conditions. Literally almost any other cause of death would be worsened by having an infection that lowers your blood oxygen levels. It can trigger heart attacks, COPD exacerbations, asthma exacerbations, set your lungs up for pneumonia, and (yes actually) make you more likely to die from a trauma. If you have an infection and die from almost anything else, you died in part from Covid. Just like if you have a pneumonia and die from almost anything else, you died in part from pneumonia. That's how medical causes of death work, and they always have.

If people are coming at this from the perspective that physicians are willing to lie, cheat, and steal to get more money, it feeds into their pre-existing biases, so it's easy to see how that get amplified. I don't know of any respectable scientists working on this project who think deaths are being over-counted - I've only seen it pushed by people who are already engaging in motivated reasoning to come to the conclusion that this epidemic isn't as bad as we've been led to believe.

-Hydroxychloroquine probably doesn’t work, no matter how much anyone wants to believe it does. It’s still being studied, but preliminary data aren’t positive. Not sure what to say about that except that we do studies on these things for a reason - the plural of anecdote is not data.

-There’s some confusing claims in there about animals and the way vaccines are made. I’m going to chalk that up to crazy anti-vax bull**** and move on. If anyone has a better response, please feel free to jump in.

-Apparently there’s a claim that people are holding off on developing effective therapies because they want to vaccinate everybody. The only way this thought begins to make sense is if you’re coming from a world view in which vaccination or the avoidance of a vaccination is a goal in and of itself. So again, anti-vax bull****.

-There’s some stuff in there about how masks don’t work, how we develop immune responses from exposure to our environment, that sheltering from the rest of the world will hurt our immune systems, etc. This is, again, standard anti-vaxxer bull**** and does not comport with reality. Staying inside for a few months isn’t going to nuke our immune systems.

Like I said before, as far as I can tell this video is a tsunami of unrelated conspiracy theories and anti-vax talking points. Nobody is going to be able to address all of them satisfactorily. But if your position is “well 80% of this is clearly refutable but I wonder about that 20%”, at some point you’re going to have to realize that the most likely explanation for this entire video is that it’s politically motivated, written by anti-vaxxers, and that your baseline assumption should be that none of this is scientifically sensical. For example, there are no “good microbes” on beaches that we’re somehow specifically keeping people away from.

Conspiracy theories don’t take hold if they don’t appeal to people. Since a lot of the claims being made can’t possibly be falsified in a way that people will listen to, the question is whether or not this fits into the listener’s worldview. And the truth is, as far as I can tell, that it’s more comforting for many people to believe that someone is in charge (even with malignant intentions) than it is to see the world as an essentially chaotic system in which horrible things happen for no good reason.

Except there’s an actual reason this happened the way it did, at least in the US. It’s because we have the worst administration this country has ever seen, our president disbanded all the early warning systems, ignored everybody with relevant expertise, and as far as I can do has done very little on a national level besides steal hospital supplies from states.

Just a few quick things to add since this blew up a bit:
- I have a PhD in public health, I do research on antimicrobial resistance among bacteria. I'm not a virologist or epidemiologist, although I've taken classes in these disciplines.
- I'm an ICU doctor, and I see people dying from this disease every day I'm at work these days.
- I'm usually not interested in debating you or your friends on Facebook. This is a line I've set for my mental health.
- If we don't have any mutual friends, I almost definitely won't accept your friend request.

Thanks for being reasonable!

NYKBocker wrote:^ Thank you kind sir

Go Knicks

smackeddog wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:

martin wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:Martin, all – I was very clear in my post with “Not sure if I’m reading this correctly” and listing the tracking sites I use. I can’t be much more careful if I want to ask a question / talk about something.

Let me try to give you (all) a different perspective since I am in the minority here.

Liberals essentially own MSM (CNN, ABC, CBS, and I’ll even throw FOX in there, even though they seem to have more balance.), Social Media (e.g. YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc.), The Education/College system, Hollywood, and on. And as it relates to this thread, Liberals in the medical system also seem to be directing the pandemic narrative (for the most part.)

How can anyone disuss another point of view if anything right of left is not allowed? Am I wrong? What news sites are acceptable that cover more than just a left perspective? I get news from many many sites but am not sure what is even acceptable (that isn't left anyway.) Talking about a topic that affects everyone, while only using one side of MSM seems inherently flawed, and biased by definition. FOX is the only MSM that touches center or right of center, and I’m not even a fan.

It goes both ways regarding looking inside or in the mirror. We all can benefit from that.

Respectfully,

So, your perspective is not right, lets start there. Fox is not center and right center; similarly CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC are not MSM who are owned by liberals. Get that our of your head. You will always be able to find an outlier (report, reporter) here and there but at high level your starting point is waaaayyyy off.

The medical system is just what it is: the medical system. There is no directing the pandemic narrative from a scientific perspective. Scientists report facts, media should help us understand those facts. From there you can perhaps draw your own conclusions.

I have no idea why YOU think that liberals essentially own MSM, Social Media, Educational system, Hollywood (why do you care about this?), etc. Perhaps you can explain that perspective, cause it seems to come straight from ultra right type outlets.

Help everyone else out. Perhaps you can describe your background, demographics, etc.

I did send you another email, might help.

A bit early to tell someone they are wrong before you really start discussing a topic, no? And I don’t think it is black and white anyway. There are many doctors who have a differing opinion to the WHO. This is getting harder to find for Youtube’s new policy is that you can’t post videos against WHO’s findings. Many feel that flattening the curve is just moving deaths out to later date (e.g. higher suicide rate, higher opiate abuse and alcoholism, falling cancer research studies, many hospital staff on furlough, also that being inside so much is weakening our immune system (basic immunology)).

Per your email, I’m white, over 45 and was liberally educated (West Coast University) and raised that way. Never had a problem with it. I have really only started questioning things since Trump got in. I have never seen the media so against a President in their coverage and that was my wake up call (Along with social media censorship.) I mean the economy was screaming; one of the best in our history and they would skip over that.

I think they still report 85% or higher negative things about Trump. FOX is clearly lower than that but that doesn’t mean I like them. Thing is, I can see some positive things that Trump does but I never hear it reported. If I turn on CNN, ABC, NBC, etc., it just seems all negative re. Trump. That is not representative of polls and the people I meet. That is not reporting news; that is telling people what to think. They are not giving us many different perspectives re information and letting us decide.

You asked me why I think MSM is left leaning. I’m not a conservative mind you; I’m a bit split if you look at the issues. The media are pretty pro many larger Liberal ideologies, such as:

1. Reporting seems pro Globalization. They seem to be pro open border and against The Wall. No problems with manufacturing being mostly in China.
2. They literally support big Tech, which is so clearly left leaning.
3. Abortion – The media seems pretty much pro abortion when you look at their coverage.
4. They are pro Affirmative Action in large part.
5. They are not pro Constitution by all accounts.
6. They support more government in our lives. This is most apparent when you look at Trump being more into deregulation, less government, simplified tax system, bringing troops home, etc.
7. Their perspectives on Energy, Global Warming and the environment are very strongly left leaning. Greta got more attention than someone with no qualifications should have. As Bill Gates is to vaccines, Greta is to the Environment.
8. They are clearly against the 2nd amendment and firearms. But they don’t seem to be against militarizing our Police.
9. They lean towards a government based health care system.
10. They often support Liberal views on marriage. e.g. same sex
11. Taxes – Mostly they seem to support higher taxes. They appear to support Biden who is very vocal about higher taxes.
12. They are Pro United Nations and not for National sovereignty.
13. They are pro welfare state.

Future Media Marker – Almost two years ago in the political thread I mentioned the FISA declass and the sources of the Russian Dossier will be something of interest going forward. I knew almost nothing about it at the time (and wasn't even a political person) but I saw how the media was covering it in a very anti Trump way and so I started looking deeper. IMO – it is looking like indictments are coming though I never thought it would amount to that from the media’s initial coverage. Watch how the media covers this (or not.)

I'm very left wing, I do agree that the MSM does have an innate bias- I'd say generally 'liberal' in terms of social issues (i.e. surface level support for minority groups but opposed to any fundamental restructuring), and roughly 'free' market (but occasionally willing to point out economic injustices but opposing any actual fundamental restructuring). I think Chomsky explains it brilliantly in this 3 min clip:

However, that doesn't make your right wing sources any more accurate or any less bias. You still need to scrutinize sources whether you agree with them or not. Like I've posted a few times, I don't get how people can be anti-MSM because they lie, but then leap to being trump supporters when he is in fact a far worse, habitual liar. Either honesty and truth are important to you or they're not. I don't get how you can go from outrage at lying to happily accepting it.

Oh, I know Chomsky. In the past I really dove into his works. Was nice to watch that one (again.) I agree with the video for the most part, but would say it most likely goes quite a bit deeper. I'll make a prediction, watch what happens over the next few months re MSM, FISA declass / Russian Dosser, etc. All connected.

Worth mentioning, if you look at my last 5 topics, or so, re posts, 2 were from “approved” MSM listed here, 1 was a question re the CDC website, 1 was a doctors press conference and before that it was a tweet from the DNI denouncing some information CNN would not retract. I’d hardly call my websites right wing. I pretty much stopped posting from “unapproved” websites when Martin asked (as best I could.) I'm bringing in more sources these days. And I prefer to get as close to the source material as I can. MSM (all of them) are giving their perspectives on the data. They can focus on certain aspects and jump over others.

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