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12/17/2016  7:30 PM
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fitzfarm wrote:Feel the burn... if the establishment dems didn't cheat Bernie, the rightful winner as the primary elect.

The best person with no criminal accusations, just a caring person who loves his country would be president... Bernie would have really made this country great again... not like the crooks in trump or Hilary, this is what the dems get for cheating themselves and putting in Hilary who was hated by most and not the rightful winner of the Democratic Party... Bernie was loved by most and would have beat trump by a landslide.

Let this be a lesson to the dems. Fingered crossed trump dose not get anything he wants done, dems will filabuster pretty much anything he tries to pass Hopfully in 4 years trump doesn't put this country in the dark ages like bush did.

Bernie bears some reasonablility for his loss. He and his team didn't do enough EARLY on to bring in more Black and Latino voters. Hillary had that base in the South and Bernie stubbornly resisted for too long. He lost not because of cheating but a lack of outreach. Now he's more known but it's too late.


How is Bernie even close to winning the Primary??..I know the majority of votes don't matter in American national politics but Hillary got 17 million votes to Bernie 13.2 million...

There were millions of votes for Bernie unaccounted for in California,newyork and quite a few other states, those votes were mostly All for Bernie, Bernies group demanded recounts/count all the votes in to no avail. Then somehow the guy responsible for voter fraud in the dnc is shot dead ... how many people showed up to Bernie rallies opposed to Hilary in both California and NYC... the fact that Bernie supposedly lost in those states is troubling...also bernie won the primary in the vocal vote, but Hilary demanded a recount ....

It's just hard to believe with the movement Bernie created with the majority of of dem voters that he would lose. Is it really hard to believe that Hilary would cheat ? After all the corruption coming out about the clintons . It wouldn't shock me one bit if she bought her way in or just had the favorable support of the corporate dems to weisle her way into winning..

Bernie should be the rightful president.. the dems blew it big time supporting such a crook in Hillary. Bernie with his angel wings was right there the whole time .

Do you understand what you are saying with not one iota of proof???..Hillary has 4 million more votes than Bernie and you are claiming she stole the votes with ZERO evidence...Try again, bro...It's wild claims like these that makes the process of trying to get real change unattainable...

http://www.liberalamerica.org/2016/10/05/uncounted-bernie-ballots-found/

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-california-ballots/

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-sanders-ballots-clinton/

http://anonhq.com/lawsuit-finds-millions-uncounted-bernie-sanders-ballots/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/22/californias-lengthy-vote-count-stokes-theories-that-sanders-actually-won-the-primary/?client=safari


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4g3x5h/investigative_journalism_why_bernie_may_have/?client=safari

Do your research before calling someone out. its people like you who trust to much and don't seek out the real facts, instead you trust mainstream media liars to tell you the truth . . Again how many ppl showed up to the Bernie rally in NYC ? Opposed to Hilary's rally ... usually that's a telling sign who will win .

And as liberal as Cali is do you really think they would vote for corruption Hilary over angel bernie ?

So actual people showing up at polling station casting votes doesn't count anymore, it's the rallies???..What in California tipped you off there was something wrong because the poll numbers prior to the election were lopsided in Hillary's favor..Was it just gut instinct on your part???

Ahh i don't know about gut or instinct. it could just be the fact that millions of bernies votes were unaccounted for lol no gut or instinct needed just the facts .

And yes usually when 30,000 plus New Yorkers show up for Bernie opposed to the 3,000 that showed up for Hilary is a pretty telling story on who was going to win the state... the 3 million independent voters not allowed/ denied to vote in ny closed primary around 90 % were Bernie supporters. That amount of votes would have put Bernie on top in New York .

http://www.nytimes.com/live/new-york-primary-2016/bernie-sanders-tours-midtown-and-criti/

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12/17/2016  7:36 PM
holfresh wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:Feel the burn... if the establishment dems didn't cheat Bernie, the rightful winner as the primary elect.

The best person with no criminal accusations, just a caring person who loves his country would be president... Bernie would have really made this country great again... not like the crooks in trump or Hilary, this is what the dems get for cheating themselves and putting in Hilary who was hated by most and not the rightful winner of the Democratic Party... Bernie was loved by most and would have beat trump by a landslide.

Let this be a lesson to the dems. Fingered crossed trump dose not get anything he wants done, dems will filabuster pretty much anything he tries to pass Hopfully in 4 years trump doesn't put this country in the dark ages like bush did.

Bernie bears some reasonablility for his loss. He and his team didn't do enough EARLY on to bring in more Black and Latino voters. Hillary had that base in the South and Bernie stubbornly resisted for too long. He lost not because of cheating but a lack of outreach. Now he's more known but it's too late.


How is Bernie even close to winning the Primary??..I know the majority of votes don't matter in American national politics but Hillary got 17 million votes to Bernie 13.2 million...

There were millions of votes for Bernie unaccounted for in California,newyork and quite a few other states, those votes were mostly All for Bernie, Bernies group demanded recounts/count all the votes in to no avail. Then somehow the guy responsible for voter fraud in the dnc is shot dead ... how many people showed up to Bernie rallies opposed to Hilary in both California and NYC... the fact that Bernie supposedly lost in those states is troubling...also bernie won the primary in the vocal vote, but Hilary demanded a recount ....

It's just hard to believe with the movement Bernie created with the majority of of dem voters that he would lose. Is it really hard to believe that Hilary would cheat ? After all the corruption coming out about the clintons . It wouldn't shock me one bit if she bought her way in or just had the favorable support of the corporate dems to weisle her way into winning..

Bernie should be the rightful president.. the dems blew it big time supporting such a crook in Hillary. Bernie with his angel wings was right there the whole time .

Do you understand what you are saying with not one iota of proof???..Hillary has 4 million more votes than Bernie and you are claiming she stole the votes with ZERO evidence...Try again, bro...It's wild claims like these that makes the process of trying to get real change unattainable...

http://www.liberalamerica.org/2016/10/05/uncounted-bernie-ballots-found/

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-california-ballots/

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-sanders-ballots-clinton/

http://anonhq.com/lawsuit-finds-millions-uncounted-bernie-sanders-ballots/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/22/californias-lengthy-vote-count-stokes-theories-that-sanders-actually-won-the-primary/?client=safari


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4g3x5h/investigative_journalism_why_bernie_may_have/?client=safari

Do your research before calling someone out. its people like you who trust to much and don't seek out the real facts, instead you trust mainstream media liars to tell you the truth . . Again how many ppl showed up to the Bernie rally in NYC ? Opposed to Hilary's rally ... usually that's a telling sign who will win .

And as liberal as Cali is do you really think they would vote for corruption Hilary over angel bernie ?

So actual people showing up at polling station casting votes doesn't count anymore, it's the rallies???..What in California tipped you off there was something wrong because the poll numbers prior to the election were lopsided in Hillary's favor..Was it just gut instinct on your part???

Ahh i don't know about gut or instinct. it could just be the fact that millions of bernies votes were unaccounted for lol no gut or instinct needed just the facts .


How do you know this???..How are you able to tell votes that were cast weren't tallied???

https://www.google.com/amp/s/richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/confirmation-bernie-won-california-by-at-least-100000-votes/amp/?client=safari

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/22/californias-lengthy-vote-count-stokes-theories-that-sanders-actually-won-the-primary/?client=safari

Let me know if you need more proof, it's all over the internet I don't think the Washington post would have much to gain by making this up .

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12/17/2016  7:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/17/2016  7:47 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:Feel the burn... if the establishment dems didn't cheat Bernie, the rightful winner as the primary elect.

The best person with no criminal accusations, just a caring person who loves his country would be president... Bernie would have really made this country great again... not like the crooks in trump or Hilary, this is what the dems get for cheating themselves and putting in Hilary who was hated by most and not the rightful winner of the Democratic Party... Bernie was loved by most and would have beat trump by a landslide.

Let this be a lesson to the dems. Fingered crossed trump dose not get anything he wants done, dems will filabuster pretty much anything he tries to pass Hopfully in 4 years trump doesn't put this country in the dark ages like bush did.

Bernie bears some reasonablility for his loss. He and his team didn't do enough EARLY on to bring in more Black and Latino voters. Hillary had that base in the South and Bernie stubbornly resisted for too long. He lost not because of cheating but a lack of outreach. Now he's more known but it's too late.


How is Bernie even close to winning the Primary??..I know the majority of votes don't matter in American national politics but Hillary got 17 million votes to Bernie 13.2 million...

There were millions of votes for Bernie unaccounted for in California,newyork and quite a few other states, those votes were mostly All for Bernie, Bernies group demanded recounts/count all the votes in to no avail. Then somehow the guy responsible for voter fraud in the dnc is shot dead ... how many people showed up to Bernie rallies opposed to Hilary in both California and NYC... the fact that Bernie supposedly lost in those states is troubling...also bernie won the primary in the vocal vote, but Hilary demanded a recount ....

It's just hard to believe with the movement Bernie created with the majority of of dem voters that he would lose. Is it really hard to believe that Hilary would cheat ? After all the corruption coming out about the clintons . It wouldn't shock me one bit if she bought her way in or just had the favorable support of the corporate dems to weisle her way into winning..

Bernie should be the rightful president.. the dems blew it big time supporting such a crook in Hillary. Bernie with his angel wings was right there the whole time .

Do you understand what you are saying with not one iota of proof???..Hillary has 4 million more votes than Bernie and you are claiming she stole the votes with ZERO evidence...Try again, bro...It's wild claims like these that makes the process of trying to get real change unattainable...

http://www.liberalamerica.org/2016/10/05/uncounted-bernie-ballots-found/

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-california-ballots/

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-sanders-ballots-clinton/

http://anonhq.com/lawsuit-finds-millions-uncounted-bernie-sanders-ballots/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/22/californias-lengthy-vote-count-stokes-theories-that-sanders-actually-won-the-primary/?client=safari


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4g3x5h/investigative_journalism_why_bernie_may_have/?client=safari

Do your research before calling someone out. its people like you who trust to much and don't seek out the real facts, instead you trust mainstream media liars to tell you the truth . . Again how many ppl showed up to the Bernie rally in NYC ? Opposed to Hilary's rally ... usually that's a telling sign who will win .

And as liberal as Cali is do you really think they would vote for corruption Hilary over angel bernie ?

So actual people showing up at polling station casting votes doesn't count anymore, it's the rallies???..What in California tipped you off there was something wrong because the poll numbers prior to the election were lopsided in Hillary's favor..Was it just gut instinct on your part???

Ahh i don't know about gut or instinct. it could just be the fact that millions of bernies votes were unaccounted for lol no gut or instinct needed just the facts .


How do you know this???..How are you able to tell votes that were cast weren't tallied???

https://www.google.com/amp/s/richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/confirmation-bernie-won-california-by-at-least-100000-votes/amp/?client=safari

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/22/californias-lengthy-vote-count-stokes-theories-that-sanders-actually-won-the-primary/?client=safari

Let me know if you need more proof, it's all over the internet I don't think the Washington post would have much to gain by making this up .

Your Washington Post article is dated 22Jun2016..Here is a Washington Post article dated 7Jul2016..

One month later, California finishes its vote count, and Clinton wins

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/07/one-month-later-california-finishes-its-vote-count-and-clinton-wins/?utm_term=.66211ffaa6b1

Come on..This is not a game...

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12/17/2016  7:51 PM
holfresh wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:Feel the burn... if the establishment dems didn't cheat Bernie, the rightful winner as the primary elect.

The best person with no criminal accusations, just a caring person who loves his country would be president... Bernie would have really made this country great again... not like the crooks in trump or Hilary, this is what the dems get for cheating themselves and putting in Hilary who was hated by most and not the rightful winner of the Democratic Party... Bernie was loved by most and would have beat trump by a landslide.

Let this be a lesson to the dems. Fingered crossed trump dose not get anything he wants done, dems will filabuster pretty much anything he tries to pass Hopfully in 4 years trump doesn't put this country in the dark ages like bush did.

Bernie bears some reasonablility for his loss. He and his team didn't do enough EARLY on to bring in more Black and Latino voters. Hillary had that base in the South and Bernie stubbornly resisted for too long. He lost not because of cheating but a lack of outreach. Now he's more known but it's too late.


How is Bernie even close to winning the Primary??..I know the majority of votes don't matter in American national politics but Hillary got 17 million votes to Bernie 13.2 million...

There were millions of votes for Bernie unaccounted for in California,newyork and quite a few other states, those votes were mostly All for Bernie, Bernies group demanded recounts/count all the votes in to no avail. Then somehow the guy responsible for voter fraud in the dnc is shot dead ... how many people showed up to Bernie rallies opposed to Hilary in both California and NYC... the fact that Bernie supposedly lost in those states is troubling...also bernie won the primary in the vocal vote, but Hilary demanded a recount ....

It's just hard to believe with the movement Bernie created with the majority of of dem voters that he would lose. Is it really hard to believe that Hilary would cheat ? After all the corruption coming out about the clintons . It wouldn't shock me one bit if she bought her way in or just had the favorable support of the corporate dems to weisle her way into winning..

Bernie should be the rightful president.. the dems blew it big time supporting such a crook in Hillary. Bernie with his angel wings was right there the whole time .

Do you understand what you are saying with not one iota of proof???..Hillary has 4 million more votes than Bernie and you are claiming she stole the votes with ZERO evidence...Try again, bro...It's wild claims like these that makes the process of trying to get real change unattainable...

http://www.liberalamerica.org/2016/10/05/uncounted-bernie-ballots-found/

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-california-ballots/

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-sanders-ballots-clinton/

http://anonhq.com/lawsuit-finds-millions-uncounted-bernie-sanders-ballots/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/22/californias-lengthy-vote-count-stokes-theories-that-sanders-actually-won-the-primary/?client=safari


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4g3x5h/investigative_journalism_why_bernie_may_have/?client=safari

Do your research before calling someone out. its people like you who trust to much and don't seek out the real facts, instead you trust mainstream media liars to tell you the truth . . Again how many ppl showed up to the Bernie rally in NYC ? Opposed to Hilary's rally ... usually that's a telling sign who will win .

And as liberal as Cali is do you really think they would vote for corruption Hilary over angel bernie ?

So actual people showing up at polling station casting votes doesn't count anymore, it's the rallies???..What in California tipped you off there was something wrong because the poll numbers prior to the election were lopsided in Hillary's favor..Was it just gut instinct on your part???

Ahh i don't know about gut or instinct. it could just be the fact that millions of bernies votes were unaccounted for lol no gut or instinct needed just the facts .


How do you know this???..How are you able to tell votes that were cast weren't tallied???

https://www.google.com/amp/s/richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/confirmation-bernie-won-california-by-at-least-100000-votes/amp/?client=safari

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/22/californias-lengthy-vote-count-stokes-theories-that-sanders-actually-won-the-primary/?client=safari

Let me know if you need more proof, it's all over the internet I don't think the Washington post would have much to gain by making this up .

Your Washington Post article is dated 22Jun2016..Here is a Washington Post article dated 7Jul2016..

One month later, California finishes its vote count, and Clinton wins

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/07/one-month-later-california-finishes-its-vote-count-and-clinton-wins/?utm_term=.66211ffaa6b1

Come on..This is not a game...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/confirmation-bernie-won-california-by-at-least-100000-votes/amp/?client=safari

This one posted three days later then yours

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12/17/2016  7:53 PM
https://embols.com/2016/09/15/just-in-lawsuit-filed-as-bernie-sanders-won-california-by-landslide-2/

Here is September

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12/17/2016  7:54 PM
Here one from ny primary

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/hundreds-ny-voters-file-lawsuit-alleged-voter-fraud-article-1.2603876?client=safari

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12/17/2016  8:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/17/2016  8:26 PM
fitzfarm wrote:Here one from ny primary

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/hundreds-ny-voters-file-lawsuit-alleged-voter-fraud-article-1.2603876?client=safari

The Washington Post article said that "fringe Bernie supporters" had questions..They never said it was fact..They offered no proof..Just because supporters have questions doesn't mean it's fact..

Why didn't Bernie run as an independent if he would have had more popular votes than the field??

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12/17/2016  8:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/17/2016  8:22 PM
We have gotten to a place in politics where you have to prove the insane accusations untrue..
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12/17/2016  8:58 PM
holfresh wrote:We have gotten to a place in politics where you have to prove the insane accusations untrue..

I don't know how it can be untrue but when there are multiple sources claiming that 2/3 of votes in California for Bernie were not counted ... dude just look it up the info is out there ... I'm tired of beating a dead Horse. We can only hope Bernie runs again in 4 years

Plus it really dose not matter anymore. Some crazy way trump won and regardless of the Russians interfering, We have to come together more then ever as a country and promote peace show the world we aren't all racist arssholes .

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12/17/2016  9:09 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:We have gotten to a place in politics where you have to prove the insane accusations untrue..

I don't know how it can be untrue but when there are multiple sources claiming that 2/3 of votes in California for Bernie were not counted ... dude just look it up the info is out there ... I'm tired of beating a dead Horse. We can only hope Bernie runs again in 4 years

Plus it really dose not matter anymore. Some crazy way trump won and regardless of the Russians interfering, We have to come together more then ever as a country and promote peace show the world we aren't all racist arssholes .

These things are usually proven by showing proof and not just lip service..

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12/18/2016  5:39 AM
32 days til America is great again.

However what is going on in Aleppo is bigger and more devastating than anything going on here. Worse than anything we've experienced in hundreds of years

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12/18/2016  7:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2016  7:56 AM
gunsnewing wrote:32 days til America is great again.

However what is going on in Aleppo is bigger and more devastating than anything going on here. Worse than anything we've experienced in hundreds of years

I wouldn't agree with worst in 100 years but certainly a horrific moment for the ages..Putin had a big role in Aleppo..Trump reveres Putin and thinks he is one of the greatest leaders on the planet..37% of Republicans have a favorable opinion of Putin and it's mostly due to his involvement in our election..Trump and the Republicans will move quickly to drop sanctions against Putin after January 20th..A little election thank you..Putin said he was in touch with the Trump campaign while he was interfering with our election...America is great now, let's see after January 20th..

Wasn't Trump trying to lobs some praise on Assad and Putin saying they were helping us with ISIS during the election???..You guys have sold your souls and you don't even know it...

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12/18/2016  10:30 AM
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:32 days til America is great again.

However what is going on in Aleppo is bigger and more devastating than anything going on here. Worse than anything we've experienced in hundreds of years

I wouldn't agree with worst in 100 years but certainly a horrific moment for the ages..Putin had a big role in Aleppo..Trump reveres Putin and thinks he is one of the greatest leaders on the planet..37% of Republicans have a favorable opinion of Putin and it's mostly due to his involvement in our election..Trump and the Republicans will move quickly to drop sanctions against Putin after January 20th..A little election thank you..Putin said he was in touch with the Trump campaign while he was interfering with our election...America is great now, let's see after January 20th..

Wasn't Trump trying to lobs some praise on Assad and Putin saying they were helping us with ISIS during the election???..You guys have sold your souls and you don't even know it...

Sucking up to Putin is such a dumb move by Trump- he's an absolute snake who's sole interest is power- no one can really tell you what Putin believes in because he randomly shifts and clamps down on new found 'enemies'. I seem to remember a piece on him a few years ago where they said it was a power strategy- the idea was that no one can really effectively oppose him because they don't know what he is actually pushing.

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12/18/2016  10:33 AM
gunsnewing wrote:However what is going on in Aleppo is bigger and more devastating than anything going on here. Worse than anything we've experienced in hundreds of years

No idea what the solution should have been- there were so many factions and if you stood with one you ended up empowering another. If we'd backed the rebels vs Assad, it would have empowered ISIS and Al Qaeda offshoots. Attacking ISIS strengthens Assad. Then you had Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabi all involved by proxy- it was an absolute mess. One side had to win eventually.

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12/18/2016  11:00 AM
This is how Republicans make naked unashamed power grabs using their majority. Compare this to the first two years of Obama - the Dems spent most of it bickering.
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12/18/2016  11:02 AM
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:We have gotten to a place in politics where you have to prove the insane accusations untrue..

I don't know how it can be untrue but when there are multiple sources claiming that 2/3 of votes in California for Bernie were not counted ... dude just look it up the info is out there ... I'm tired of beating a dead Horse. We can only hope Bernie runs again in 4 years

Plus it really dose not matter anymore. Some crazy way trump won and regardless of the Russians interfering, We have to come together more then ever as a country and promote peace show the world we aren't all racist arssholes .

The number of sources doesn't make something true. It's the legitimacy of the sources that needs to be Tebow first

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12/18/2016  11:36 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-gibson/mark-dayton-minnesota-economy_b_6737786.html


This Billionaire Governor Taxed the Rich and Increased the Minimum Wage — Now, His State’s Economy Is One of the Best in the Country

By C. Robert Gibson

The next time your right-wing family member or former high school classmate posts a status update or tweet about how taxing the rich or increasing workers’ wages kills jobs and makes businesses leave the state, I want you to send them this article.

When he took office in January of 2011, Minnesota governor Mark Dayton inherited a $6.2 billion budget deficit and a 7 percent unemployment rate from his predecessor, Tim Pawlenty, the soon-forgotten Republican candidate for the presidency who called himself Minnesota’s first true fiscally-conservative governor in modern history. Pawlenty prided himself on never raising state taxes — the most he ever did to generate new revenue was increase the tax on cigarettes by 75 cents a pack. Between 2003 and late 2010, when Pawlenty was at the head of Minnesota’s state government, he managed to add only 6,200 more jobs.

During his first four years in office, Gov. Dayton raised the state income tax from 7.85 to 9.85 percent on individuals earning over $150,000, and on couples earning over $250,000 when filing jointly — a tax increase of $2.1 billion. He’s also agreed to raise Minnesota’s minimum wage to $9.50 an hour by 2018, and passed a state law guaranteeing equal pay for women. Republicans like state representative Mark Uglem warned against Gov. Dayton’s tax increases, saying, “The job creators, the big corporations, the small corporations, they will leave. It’s all dollars and sense to them.” The conservative friend or family member you shared this article with would probably say the same if their governor tried something like this. But like Uglem, they would be proven wrong.

Between 2011 and 2015, Gov. Dayton added 172,000 new jobs to Minnesota’s economy — that’s 165,800 more jobs in Dayton’s first term than Pawlenty added in both of his terms combined. Even though Minnesota’s top income tax rate is the fourth highest in the country, it has the fifth lowest unemployment rate in the country at 3.6 percent. According to 2012-2013 U.S. census figures, Minnesotans had a median income that was $10,000 larger than the U.S. average, and their median income is still $8,000 more than the U.S. average today.

By late 2013, Minnesota’s private sector job growth exceeded pre-recession levels, and the state’s economy was the fifth fastest-growing in the United States. Forbes even ranked Minnesota the ninth best state for business (Scott Walker’s “Open For Business” Wisconsin came in at a distant #32 on the same list). Despite the fearmongering over businesses fleeing from Dayton’s tax cuts, 6,230 more Minnesotans filed in the top income tax bracket in 2013, just one year after Dayton’s tax increases went through. As of January 2015, Minnesota has a $1 billion budget surplus, and Gov. Dayton has pledged to reinvest more than one third of that money into public schools. And according to Gallup, Minnesota’s economic confidence is higher than any other state.

Gov. Dayton didn’t accomplish all of these reforms by shrewdly manipulating people — this article describes Dayton’s astonishing lack of charisma and articulateness. He isn’t a class warrior driven by a desire to get back at the 1 percent — Dayton is a billionaire heir to the Target fortune. It wasn’t just a majority in the legislature that forced him to do it — Dayton had to work with a Republican-controlled legislature for his first two years in office. And unlike his Republican neighbor to the east, Gov. Dayton didn’t assert his will over an unwilling populace by creating obstacles between the people and the vote — Dayton actually created an online voter registration system, making it easier than ever for people to register to vote.

The reason Gov. Dayton was able to radically transform Minnesota’s economy into one of the best in the nation is simple arithmetic. Raising taxes on those who can afford to pay more will turn a deficit into a surplus. Raising the minimum wage will increase the median income. And in a state where education is a budget priority and economic growth is one of the highest in the nation, it only makes sense that more businesses would stay.

It’s official — trickle-down economics is bunk. Minnesota has proven it once and for all. If you believe otherwise, you are wrong.

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12/18/2016  11:45 AM
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holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:32 days til America is great again.

However what is going on in Aleppo is bigger and more devastating than anything going on here. Worse than anything we've experienced in hundreds of years

I wouldn't agree with worst in 100 years but certainly a horrific moment for the ages..Putin had a big role in Aleppo..Trump reveres Putin and thinks he is one of the greatest leaders on the planet..37% of Republicans have a favorable opinion of Putin and it's mostly due to his involvement in our election..Trump and the Republicans will move quickly to drop sanctions against Putin after January 20th..A little election thank you..Putin said he was in touch with the Trump campaign while he was interfering with our election...America is great now, let's see after January 20th..

Wasn't Trump trying to lobs some praise on Assad and Putin saying they were helping us with ISIS during the election???..You guys have sold your souls and you don't even know it...

Sucking up to Putin is such a dumb move by Trump- he's an absolute snake who's sole interest is power- no one can really tell you what Putin believes in because he randomly shifts and clamps down on new found 'enemies'. I seem to remember a piece on him a few years ago where they said it was a power strategy- the idea was that no one can really effectively oppose him because they don't know what he is actually pushing.

I'm will even go as far as saying the US intelligence agencies will probably be engaging in a clandestine cyber war with Russia and Trump as President of the US, will be totally isolated, because he is totally clueless...I think Obama will retaliate before he leaves office and it will be on...We have more the lose because we are more open a society...This election interference can't go unchecked and unanswered...

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12/18/2016  11:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2016  11:51 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:The Dems are something else! They RAN from Obama in the last Mid Term Election when they should've stuck by him! They didn't listen to him or his people this election and screwed the pooch!!! They didn't use the same methods Obama's Campaign did in reaching out to White Working Class Voters or Minorities.

This Russia thing was a mess but Obama was in a tough spot! He's damned if he went hard on Russia and damned if he didn't. He's a professional and tries to do things the right way. IMO Obama is not the one to really bash over this. This is on EVERYONE including the Republicans in Congress that KNEW the Russians were interfering and blocked telling the American people cuz it benefited them!!!

i agree obama was in a tough spot. there were choices though - he took the high road trying to work with people that had no real intention of working with him. this country is showing us that the high road is not necessarily the right way to go. i think there needs to be some recognition by the dems regarding that and to not give too much credit to the american people.

a tough option would've been to expose the republican party the past 4 years but i understand why he didn't go that route. but with the benefit of hindsight, it's would've probably been the better road to take.

i'm trying to figure out why the republican party are so united and don't always take the high road when working with dems while the dems come off as a bit weak and disjointed. i have a few hypothesis...and it's just me spitballing...but it seems the republicans have 2 strong common characteristics between their government officials...they are mostly white and they are mostly christian. i think there is a built in bond there, even if it's not openly acknowledged. the dems are a bit more racially diverse with diverse religious backgrounds...combine that with historic systemic oppression for people of color and it's tougher to unite and build a cohesive attack.

now i'm not sure i believe any of that but it's just some thoughts in my head trying to understand. does anybody else have an ideas or theories?

I've tried to make it clear to people like arkrud that the Republican Party is basically the descendants of the old Dixiecrats from the original Democratic Party. The guys who have ALWAYS been organized to protect the status quo of a racist system that also protects the rich and could give a crap about the poor! They represent businesses and social conservatives. They have ties that run deep and they are VICIOUS!

These were the people against the Civil Rights movement and back in the day they had no problem resorting to violence. They used KKK Terrorism to keep power. So to me it's clear why Trump went with the Southern Strategy in this election. It's worked for the Republicans for a long time.

I think this will be the last time it's effective in this country tho. It's a dying strategy and it only worked this time cuz Hillary was such a flawed candidate. The Rural strongholds are weakening as the racial demographics keep changing. This election was the last hurrah for the old order.

Nixluva--do you dislike white people? I mean listen to your own words? They used KKK Terrorism to keep power. So to me it's clear why Trump went with the Southern Strategy in this election. It's worked for the Republicans for a long time.


These comments make no sense--theyre racist.

I just now saw this post. I have no idea what you're talking about!!! My KKK reference is based in FACT and I was clearly talking about the Civil Rights Era! It's clear in the context of the sentence I wrote. Surely you're not going to try and argue with me about the Terrorist actions of the KKK?

Regarding the "Southern Strategy" just look it up for yourself! Perhaps you just don't know what that is but it's a very real tactic.

Your question about me disliking White People is ridiculous. Talking about Racism doesn't make you a racist. That's a Republican mind trick. Just so you know there is more comfort with White People in the Black community than there is comfort with Blacks in White Communities. There are more Blacks with some White ancestry than Whites with Black ancestry. I have LOTS of White relatives!

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12/18/2016  12:28 PM
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:The Dems are something else! They RAN from Obama in the last Mid Term Election when they should've stuck by him! They didn't listen to him or his people this election and screwed the pooch!!! They didn't use the same methods Obama's Campaign did in reaching out to White Working Class Voters or Minorities.

This Russia thing was a mess but Obama was in a tough spot! He's damned if he went hard on Russia and damned if he didn't. He's a professional and tries to do things the right way. IMO Obama is not the one to really bash over this. This is on EVERYONE including the Republicans in Congress that KNEW the Russians were interfering and blocked telling the American people cuz it benefited them!!!

i agree obama was in a tough spot. there were choices though - he took the high road trying to work with people that had no real intention of working with him. this country is showing us that the high road is not necessarily the right way to go. i think there needs to be some recognition by the dems regarding that and to not give too much credit to the american people.

a tough option would've been to expose the republican party the past 4 years but i understand why he didn't go that route. but with the benefit of hindsight, it's would've probably been the better road to take.

i'm trying to figure out why the republican party are so united and don't always take the high road when working with dems while the dems come off as a bit weak and disjointed. i have a few hypothesis...and it's just me spitballing...but it seems the republicans have 2 strong common characteristics between their government officials...they are mostly white and they are mostly christian. i think there is a built in bond there, even if it's not openly acknowledged. the dems are a bit more racially diverse with diverse religious backgrounds...combine that with historic systemic oppression for people of color and it's tougher to unite and build a cohesive attack.

now i'm not sure i believe any of that but it's just some thoughts in my head trying to understand. does anybody else have an ideas or theories?

I've tried to make it clear to people like arkrud that the Republican Party is basically the descendants of the old Dixiecrats from the original Democratic Party. The guys who have ALWAYS been organized to protect the status quo of a racist system that also protects the rich and could give a crap about the poor! They represent businesses and social conservatives. They have ties that run deep and they are VICIOUS!

These were the people against the Civil Rights movement and back in the day they had no problem resorting to violence. They used KKK Terrorism to keep power. So to me it's clear why Trump went with the Southern Strategy in this election. It's worked for the Republicans for a long time.

I think this will be the last time it's effective in this country tho. It's a dying strategy and it only worked this time cuz Hillary was such a flawed candidate. The Rural strongholds are weakening as the racial demographics keep changing. This election was the last hurrah for the old order.

Nixluva--do you dislike white people? I mean listen to your own words? They used KKK Terrorism to keep power. So to me it's clear why Trump went with the Southern Strategy in this election. It's worked for the Republicans for a long time.


These comments make no sense--theyre racist.

I just now saw this post. I have no idea what you're talking about!!! My KKK reference is based in FACT and I was clearly talking about the Civil Rights Era! It's clear in the context of the sentence I wrote. Surely you're not going to try and argue with me about the Terrorist actions of the KKK?

Regarding the "Southern Strategy" just look it up for yourself! Perhaps you just don't know what that is but it's a very real tactic.

Your question about me disliking White People is ridiculous. Talking about Racism doesn't make you a racist. That's a Republican mind trick. Just so you know there is more comfort with White People in the Black community than there is comfort with Blacks in White Communities. There are more Blacks with some White ancestry than Whites with Black ancestry. I have LOTS of White relatives!

Nix. Nothing personal but almost everyone of your posts are filled with racial proclamations. If you need to scream RACE as much as you do it just seems like you may have an outstanding issue I hope not you seem Like avery decent guy. Maybe it's time to put down the race stuff

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