TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:Woody has too quick of a hook on Cope and always has. He's too damn old school when it comes to young players. Cope needs a chance to get the jitters out and you can't do that if you get a quick hook and no other opportunity to come back into the game after having a bad start. Gotta stick with the guys that got you there.

Quick hook??..they guy had two consecutive turnovers in the playoffs..A coach more than any knows whether or not his player is ready...

I agree with this. Cope was nervous as hell when he played. Its not like Woody didnt give him a chance.

This was Cope's 1st shot and there were certainly times that he could get him in there to show him he still had confidence in him. Instead just like in the season Woody stomped on his confidence rather than just pull him aside and talk to him and smack him on the butt, tell him to get going. We need more bench scoring at times and QRich aint the answer. When you know damn well that you have a kid with more talent than some old burnt out role player you can't give up on him that quick. YOU'VE GOT TO COACH A KID UP!!!

holfresh wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:Felton has elevated his game and it's making a difference. It was a big deal for him to get Prigioni out there to help create cohesion and ball movement. Without Prigioni lately and Kidd as we all saw at the start of the season, the Knicks would not be very good at all.

I think they will handle the Pacers too. Home court is a big deal since the Pacers, oddly for a defensive team, are not a good road team. They seem to lack the firepower and Hibbert has underachieved.

Im starting to question how big of an effect he has now. There was a lot of isos this game depsite him being on the court.

Since when did Iso become such a dirty word, Jordan won 6 rings going Iso...You will need Iso in spurts in the playoffs...Bron is making his passes of Isoball right now as well speak...

It's warranted with Jordan because he was shutting down his defensive assignment. Isolation ball by players who are not stopping their assignments on the other end of the floor tend to be closer to zero-sum players than you may want to admit. Jordan also had a career TS% of 57% or so and his usage to assist ratio was a terrific 1.70:1 or so-- that is a very good number for a so-called isolation player.

nixluva wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:Woody has too quick of a hook on Cope and always has. He's too damn old school when it comes to young players. Cope needs a chance to get the jitters out and you can't do that if you get a quick hook and no other opportunity to come back into the game after having a bad start. Gotta stick with the guys that got you there.

Quick hook??..they guy had two consecutive turnovers in the playoffs..A coach more than any knows whether or not his player is ready...

I agree with this. Cope was nervous as hell when he played. Its not like Woody didnt give him a chance.

This was Cope's 1st shot and there were certainly times that he could get him in there to show him he still had confidence in him. Instead just like in the season Woody stomped on his confidence rather than just pull him aside and talk to him and smack him on the butt, tell him to get going. We need more bench scoring at times and QRich aint the answer. When you know damn well that you have a kid with more talent than some old burnt out role player you can't give up on him that quick. YOU'VE GOT TO COACH A KID UP!!!

nixluva wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:Woody has too quick of a hook on Cope and always has. He's too damn old school when it comes to young players. Cope needs a chance to get the jitters out and you can't do that if you get a quick hook and no other opportunity to come back into the game after having a bad start. Gotta stick with the guys that got you there.

Quick hook??..they guy had two consecutive turnovers in the playoffs..A coach more than any knows whether or not his player is ready...

I agree with this. Cope was nervous as hell when he played. Its not like Woody didnt give him a chance.

This was Cope's 1st shot and there were certainly times that he could get him in there to show him he still had confidence in him. Instead just like in the season Woody stomped on his confidence rather than just pull him aside and talk to him and smack him on the butt, tell him to get going. We need more bench scoring at times and QRich aint the answer. When you know damn well that you have a kid with more talent than some old burnt out role player you can't give up on him that quick. YOU'VE GOT TO COACH A KID UP!!!

3G4G wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:Felton has elevated his game and it's making a difference. It was a big deal for him to get Prigioni out there to help create cohesion and ball movement. Without Prigioni lately and Kidd as we all saw at the start of the season, the Knicks would not be very good at all.

I think they will handle the Pacers too. Home court is a big deal since the Pacers, oddly for a defensive team, are not a good road team. They seem to lack the firepower and Hibbert has underachieved.

PACERS scored 69 points the other night.. I was like WTF? LOL not good... although, they do have depth and can really grind out games, their offense can be somewhat a mystery at times...

I wonder if the Pacers are mentally tough enough to win a game of attrition. The celtics showed some grit even if they have no hope of winning. Something about Hibbert's personality makes me wonder-- maybe it's a certain passivity.

hibbert has had a somewhat dissapointing year

Hibbert's yr was odd, he has been better than what his numbers suggest. At the start of the yr he was brutal. May have been pressing on the new contract, not sure.

possibly

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:Felton has elevated his game and it's making a difference. It was a big deal for him to get Prigioni out there to help create cohesion and ball movement. Without Prigioni lately and Kidd as we all saw at the start of the season, the Knicks would not be very good at all.

I think they will handle the Pacers too. Home court is a big deal since the Pacers, oddly for a defensive team, are not a good road team. They seem to lack the firepower and Hibbert has underachieved.

PACERS scored 69 points the other night.. I was like WTF? LOL not good... although, they do have depth and can really grind out games, their offense can be somewhat a mystery at times...

Worst offense in the league by far. Worst than the C's and they don't have a PG

That's about it. Hopefully we can wrap this up Wednesday. The longer this series goes, the higher the probability of injury to our older vets.

playa2 wrote:When we blow out the Celtics on Wednesday_________________________________________
fill in the blank

-the game thread will be less than 10 pages. [just kidding, just kidding]
-despite Melo shooting less than 50%
-JR will present a gift wrapped box of bandaids to Jason Terry

SupremeCommander wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:The only positive I can take from this game is we almost beat the Celtics with our best player having arguably his worst game as a Knick and our 2nd leading scorer out.

That's about it. Hopefully we can wrap this up Wednesday. The longer this series goes, the higher the probability of injury to our older vets.

I agree with Silver that this is a good post

but the biggest positive that I took from the game is that the Knicks almost beat the Celtics after completely getting their teetch kicked in. they showed fight and resilience. All you can really ask for is a team that will give you their all - and the Knicks did yesterday.

Pretty much every team since JVG left town would have rolled over and died once Boston went up 20. Didn't happen yesterday and that's a great feeling.

Don't get me wrong, I wanted nothing more than to sweep Boston. It's not the size of the dog that matters but the size fo the fight in the dog. This team has an awful lot of fight

This kind of fight is something we've seen all year and it's great to finally have confidence in this team even after they lose. This thing is over come Wednesday and I am not a half glass full type fan.

In the past, this would've been an issue, but this team has shown resilience to claw their way back into games.

Winning in the playoffs on the road is always tough no matter the circumstances.

My only bone to pick is we should've never been down 19-20 points to begin with. I think we had 11 or 12 turnovers in the 1st half alone(our reg season avg). Melo couldn't play any worse. But thankfully the 3 point guard lineup jump started an amazing run spearheaded by Felton, that made the game exciting even in an overtime loss.

Phucking JR...I hate letting winnable games slip away.

This is new territory for Knicks fans of now. Usually we're never in this position. When was the last time we won a series, 2000? To be favored and everyone now expecting your team to win a series feels wierd.

Winning a series 4-1 is actually damn good in the playoffs. I think I'm just bitter at the Celtics for sweeping us in 2011.

ChuckBuck wrote:Totally agree with Supreme, Sealy, and Gustav.

In the past, this would've been an issue, but this team has shown resilience to claw their way back into games.

Winning in the playoffs on the road is always tough no matter the circumstances.

My only bone to pick is we should've never been down 19-20 points to begin with. I think we had 11 or 12 turnovers in the 1st half alone(our reg season avg). Melo couldn't play any worse. But thankfully the 3 point guard lineup jump started an amazing run spearheaded by Felton, that made the game exciting even in an overtime loss.

Phucking JR...I hate letting winnable games slip away.

This is new territory for Knicks fans of now. Usually we're never in this position. When was the last time we won a series, 2000? To be favored and everyone now expecting your team to win a series feels wierd.

Winning a series 4-1 is actually damn good in the playoffs. I think I'm just bitter at the Celtics for sweeping us in 2011.

I was disappointed in Melo's performance as well. The missed free throws were killers. I'm upset that J.R got pulled, but considering the season he's had I'm not as upset as I would have been if it happened last season. Smith didn't regularly make the same head scratching decisions on the floor this season that he's been known for since coming into the league. Just have to hope he learned his lesson and will keep his head in the game. I'm confident J.R will in part because he respects Woodson like maybe no other coach he's had in the past.

Felton's play was responsible for holding the team together last night. Hell of a performance.

I agree it feels weird to be in this situation again. I was watching the game last night and it felt almost foreign to be in a big playoff game like this, and we're actually expected to advance! Its been so long, too long.