holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:MDA was/is a horrible coach..His one size fits all system is idiotic...Three ball offense is nothing more than a gimmick..Kobe won Championships running ISO..Jordan has six rings running ISO..Knicks ran ISO with Ewing...Come on, the list is too long of winning teams that ran ISO..

I still don't understand your point. This isn't about Kobe or Jordan or Ewing. It's not about hating ISO's. You guys really need to get a grip. The ONLY thing we've been saying is that you need to have some TEAM BB and variety in your attack too. It can't be just force feed the post no matter what the defense does. This is the freaking playoffs against the team that went to the finals last year!!! Come on man, you lose credibility when you post oversimplified crap like this.

U also see my criticism of Woody today..U can't blame it all on ISO, Melo was missing lots of open looks..Coach has lots of blame here today and he has adjustments to make..Right now the best option for the Knicks is running the offense thru Melo...I think Woody got caught in the moment, He had Melo, STAT, and Chandler on the bench together in the second quarter..Novak played more minutes than STAT in the second quarter..I think he forgot STAT on the bench when we were losing the rebounding battle...ISO wasn't the only issue...

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:MDA was/is a horrible coach..His one size fits all system is idiotic...Three ball offense is nothing more than a gimmick..Kobe won Championships running ISO..Jordan has six rings running ISO..Knicks ran ISO with Ewing...Come on, the list is too long of winning teams that ran ISO..

I still don't understand your point. This isn't about Kobe or Jordan or Ewing. It's not about hating ISO's. You guys really need to get a grip. The ONLY thing we've been saying is that you need to have some TEAM BB and variety in your attack too. It can't be just force feed the post no matter what the defense does. This is the freaking playoffs against the team that went to the finals last year!!! Come on man, you lose credibility when you post oversimplified crap like this.

U also see my criticism of Woody today..U can't blame it all on ISO, Melo was missing lots of open looks..Coach has lots of blame here today and he has adjustments to make..Right now the best option for the Knicks is running the offense thru Melo...I think Woody got caught in the moment, He had Melo, STAT, and Chandler on the bench together in the second quarter..Novak played more minutes than STAT in the second quarter..I think he forgot STAT on the bench when we were losing the rebounding battle...ISO wasn't the only issue...

Mentioning too much force feeding of ISO is a fact of this game. There were other issues of course but the focus of the offense wasn't working. You can't make it so easy for a defense to deny and disrupt what you're doing as a team. You have to take what the defense gives you sometimes too. You have to mix up the attack so that they can't focus all of their attention on stopping your best player. This is where ball and player movement and a more team oriented approach comes in. Melo will always get his touches even if you play a more team oriented style.

We didn't set enough picks for other guys to get open and you can run curls, give and goes, the options are endless. The point is to make the Heat work harder on D and force them to make harder choices and leave someone open for good looks. Woody will have to figure out how to help his team function much better than they did today. This game 1 is nothing in the scheme of things. We could still turn around and win game 2, but not if they play like that again.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:MDA was/is a horrible coach..His one size fits all system is idiotic...Three ball offense is nothing more than a gimmick..Kobe won Championships running ISO..Jordan has six rings running ISO..Knicks ran ISO with Ewing...Come on, the list is too long of winning teams that ran ISO..

I still don't understand your point. This isn't about Kobe or Jordan or Ewing. It's not about hating ISO's. You guys really need to get a grip. The ONLY thing we've been saying is that you need to have some TEAM BB and variety in your attack too. It can't be just force feed the post no matter what the defense does. This is the freaking playoffs against the team that went to the finals last year!!! Come on man, you lose credibility when you post oversimplified crap like this.

U also see my criticism of Woody today..U can't blame it all on ISO, Melo was missing lots of open looks..Coach has lots of blame here today and he has adjustments to make..Right now the best option for the Knicks is running the offense thru Melo...I think Woody got caught in the moment, He had Melo, STAT, and Chandler on the bench together in the second quarter..Novak played more minutes than STAT in the second quarter..I think he forgot STAT on the bench when we were losing the rebounding battle...ISO wasn't the only issue...

Mentioning too much force feeding of ISO is a fact of this game. There were other issues of course but the focus of the offense wasn't working. You can't make it so easy for a defense to deny and disrupt what you're doing as a team. You have to take what the defense gives you sometimes too. You have to mix up the attack so that they can't focus all of their attention on stopping your best player. This is where ball and player movement and a more team oriented approach comes in. Melo will always get his touches even if you play a more team oriented style.

We didn't set enough picks for other guys to get open and you can run curls, give and goes, the options are endless. The point is to make the Heat work harder on D and force them to make harder choices and leave someone open for good looks. Woody will have to figure out how to help his team function much better than they did today. This game 1 is nothing in the scheme of things. We could still turn around and win game 2, but not if they play like that again.

Nix, you are down on ISO, There are many teams who won playing ISO, you come back is saying u are not talking about them?

knicks1248 wrote:

ATrain wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:U lose credibility when u say this isnt about MDA..

can woodson make the adjustment..

Guys were either to aggressive, or to passive

He has to make the adjustment ..His job depends on it...I thought he did a poor job today, the team wasn't ready for this game...The intensity wasn't there in the second qt. ..His substitutions left a lot to be desired..Shump came back late in the seconds quarter...He also had STAT on the bench to close out the quarter...I think he was a deer in headlights today..

Amar'e had 2 fouls going into the 2nd. He went back in with 9 minutes remaining. And picked up his 3rd with 6 minutes remaining. Was he suppose to leave him in there?

he had no problem leaving chandler in..lets not giving woodson to many excuses today..he coached a awful game, never gave us any hope after amare went out with us down 2 with 6 mins left in the 2nd.

I bearly watched the 2nd half and I can't honestly say i've done that this season.

What? Chandler got his second in the 1st quarter, was subbed for Amar'e and didn't return until the 2nd. Picked up his 3rd, and Amar'e enters. Amar'e picks up his 3rd and he puts Tyson back in. Did it hurt us on the boards? yes but I'd rather let a sick and unproductive Chandler foul out before Amar'e does. I'm not convinced Amar'e 100% without a doubt DOESN'T pick up his 4th with the remaining time in the quarter. Especially with the way the refs were calling the game. I'm not giving him any excuses but it was a tough situation with a not so easy decision to make.

holfresh wrote:
When the Knicks win you say they are running MDA plays, when they lose it's to much Melo ISO..

All eye's on Woodson Monday..... I think he'll raise to the job.

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:MDA was/is a horrible coach..His one size fits all system is idiotic...Three ball offense is nothing more than a gimmick..Kobe won Championships running ISO..Jordan has six rings running ISO..Knicks ran ISO with Ewing...Come on, the list is too long of winning teams that ran ISO..

I still don't understand your point. This isn't about Kobe or Jordan or Ewing. It's not about hating ISO's. You guys really need to get a grip. The ONLY thing we've been saying is that you need to have some TEAM BB and variety in your attack too. It can't be just force feed the post no matter what the defense does. This is the freaking playoffs against the team that went to the finals last year!!! Come on man, you lose credibility when you post oversimplified crap like this.

good point, but most don't want to hear that.. they were sold the story that you need a star to carry you to wins, to let them shoot and be what they are... To hell with team ball...... that is for team without "stars"..

go figure.... I think it is easy for the heat to guard iso ball, it plays right into their hands..

If you guys like, we can look at teams that have won Championships over the last 20 years and see how many had stars that were ISO players...We can also see how many teams who ran a pick and roll offense won..

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:No one, No even the biggest Carmelo Anthiny fans are asking to run exclusively ISO plays ...It's the reason I don't want to see Melo playing the four because that means Amare is on the bench...I would love to see the pick and roll and other options on offense but we don't have a PG to run it on a consistent basis...It's silly for some posters to say don't run the offense thru Carmelo after seeing what he has done making teammates better when the offense is doing what it should..Some posters have their agendas and sit and wait for the Knicks to lose to say see I told u so...They are even get upset when I call them on it...

I'm a big proponent of running the offense trough multiple players...I'm not a proponent of equal opportunity offense where Jeffries gets the same amount of looks as Carmelo if he gets the ball...But no one here is crying for exclusive ISO ball and I don't think the coach is either..But some guys have to take the opportunity to tell us how much better we would be if Lin was running the offense or if we kept Gallo or if MDA was running his three ball offense..

I call BS. You call people Lin lovers and Melo haters and whatever for even suggesting the offense should be run through the point guard and now you post this. Every time the Knicks win a game you go out of your way to taunt people for not wanting to dump the ball to Melo all the time. You have zero credibility.

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:No one, No even the biggest Carmelo Anthiny fans are asking to run exclusively ISO plays ...It's the reason I don't want to see Melo playing the four because that means Amare is on the bench...I would love to see the pick and roll and other options on offense but we don't have a PG to run it on a consistent basis...It's silly for some posters to say don't run the offense thru Carmelo after seeing what he has done making teammates better when the offense is doing what it should..Some posters have their agendas and sit and wait for the Knicks to lose to say see I told u so...They are even get upset when I call them on it...

I'm a big proponent of running the offense trough multiple players...I'm not a proponent of equal opportunity offense where Jeffries gets the same amount of looks as Carmelo if he gets the ball...But no one here is crying for exclusive ISO ball and I don't think the coach is either..But some guys have to take the opportunity to tell us how much better we would be if Lin was running the offense or if we kept Gallo or if MDA was running his three ball offense..

I call BS. You call people Lin lovers and Melo haters and whatever for even suggesting the offense should be run through the point guard and now you post this. Every time the Knicks win a game you go out of your way to taunt people for not wanting to dump the ball to Melo all the time. You have zero credibility.

BS?...You have zero clue of what u are talking about...U can ask MrKnickshot about out back and forth about why I think Melo should not play the 4..It's because I want a two headed offense..How many times have I said we need a PG to get Amare involved...Who was jumping for joy when Amare looked like his old self..Listen, I really don't care, honestly...I don't have the time to go back and prove to u specifically what I have been saying the same all along..

U confuse my hatred for MDA's offense for being a proponent for Carmelo exclusively..To be clear, Im a big fan of running the offense thru Carmelo and Amare..Carmelo more touches obviously...But I think u have to encorporate everything on offense, pick and roll included..If u think that's BS, you haven't been paying attention enough to waht I have been saying to say its BS and really makes no difference to me whatsoever...U along with others have your agendas..

holfresh wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

holfresh wrote:No one, No even the biggest Carmelo Anthiny fans are asking to run exclusively ISO plays ...It's the reason I don't want to see Melo playing the four because that means Amare is on the bench...I would love to see the pick and roll and other options on offense but we don't have a PG to run it on a consistent basis...It's silly for some posters to say don't run the offense thru Carmelo after seeing what he has done making teammates better when the offense is doing what it should..Some posters have their agendas and sit and wait for the Knicks to lose to say see I told u so...They are even get upset when I call them on it...

I'm a big proponent of running the offense trough multiple players...I'm not a proponent of equal opportunity offense where Jeffries gets the same amount of looks as Carmelo if he gets the ball...But no one here is crying for exclusive ISO ball and I don't think the coach is either..But some guys have to take the opportunity to tell us how much better we would be if Lin was running the offense or if we kept Gallo or if MDA was running his three ball offense..

I call BS. You call people Lin lovers and Melo haters and whatever for even suggesting the offense should be run through the point guard and now you post this. Every time the Knicks win a game you go out of your way to taunt people for not wanting to dump the ball to Melo all the time. You have zero credibility.

BS?...You have zero clue of what u are talking about...U can ask MrKnickshot about out back and forth about why I think Melo should not play the 4..It's because I want a two headed offense..How many times have I said we need a PG to get Amare involved...Who was jumping for joy when Amare looked like his old self..Listen, I really don't care, honestly...I don't have the time to go back and prove to u specifically what I have been saying the same all along..

U confuse my hatred for MDA's offense for being a proponent for Carmelo exclusively..To be clear, Im a big fan of running the offense thru Carmelo and Amare..Carmelo more touches obviously...But I think u have to encorporate everything on offense, pick and roll included..If u think that's BS, you haven't been paying attention enough to waht I have been saying to say its BS and really makes no difference to me whatsoever...U along with others have your agendas..

That puzzled me, Me saying Carmelo plus 4 won't work??..Do u really think I'll change my opinion to satisfy any one poster??