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Vmart
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12/15/2010  11:11 PM
This one is on MDA. He doesn't realize that Amare and Chandler should never be on the bench at the same time. He threw a horrible lineup out there by the time it was said and done with that lineup the Celtics had come back. If I recall right the lineup was Williams, Gallo, Douglas, Felton and Turiaff. They had absolutely nothing going on the inside. What got him to throw that stupid lineup out there boggled my mind. Can't play small ball guys the Knicks need a decent big man who can draw some attention on the block and seriously need to get Amare back to pf. Bothered me a lot to see Garnett able to get two feet of the basket and catch the ball.
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12/15/2010  11:17 PM
Vmart wrote:This one is on MDA. He doesn't realize that Amare and Chandler should never be on the bench at the same time. He threw a horrible lineup out there by the time it was said and done with that lineup the Celtics had come back. If I recall right the lineup was Williams, Gallo, Douglas, Felton and Turiaff. They had absolutely nothing going on the inside. What got him to throw that stupid lineup out there boggled my mind. Can't play small ball guys the Knicks need a decent big man who can draw some attention on the block and seriously need to get Amare back to pf. Bothered me a lot to see Garnett able to get two feet of the basket and catch the ball.

If we never got the lead after that i'd agree with you, but this team had the lead several times and just didn't get that one score we needed. If Amar'e had hit that shot in the paint where he drew contact but didn't get a call, the game is probably ours. Great game either way. Now we know that this team is for real, but we need help, cuz this team doesn't have enough capable role players to fill the last 2 holes in the rotation.

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12/15/2010  11:30 PM
nixluva wrote:
Vmart wrote:This one is on MDA. He doesn't realize that Amare and Chandler should never be on the bench at the same time. He threw a horrible lineup out there by the time it was said and done with that lineup the Celtics had come back. If I recall right the lineup was Williams, Gallo, Douglas, Felton and Turiaff. They had absolutely nothing going on the inside. What got him to throw that stupid lineup out there boggled my mind. Can't play small ball guys the Knicks need a decent big man who can draw some attention on the block and seriously need to get Amare back to pf. Bothered me a lot to see Garnett able to get two feet of the basket and catch the ball.

If we never got the lead after that i'd agree with you, but this team had the lead several times and just didn't get that one score we needed. If Amar'e had hit that shot in the paint where he drew contact but didn't get a call, the game is probably ours. Great game either way. Now we know that this team is for real, but we need help, cuz this team doesn't have enough capable role players to fill the last 2 holes in the rotation.

Moral victories don't get you in the W column. I'm not to sure that MDA would play them regardless. This was a game that Mozgov and Randolph should have been used. He has to get better with his trust factor. It's hard to complain when the team is winning, the way the Knicks are winning everyone has to be hitting all cylinders. If the three man bench rotation doesn't show the burden is all on the starters, this is a case when MDA has to have others on the bench ready to contribute. MDA should be getting at least 5 man bench rotation you never know when someone is going to have an off night.

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12/15/2010  11:46 PM
Vmart wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Vmart wrote:This one is on MDA. He doesn't realize that Amare and Chandler should never be on the bench at the same time. He threw a horrible lineup out there by the time it was said and done with that lineup the Celtics had come back. If I recall right the lineup was Williams, Gallo, Douglas, Felton and Turiaff. They had absolutely nothing going on the inside. What got him to throw that stupid lineup out there boggled my mind. Can't play small ball guys the Knicks need a decent big man who can draw some attention on the block and seriously need to get Amare back to pf. Bothered me a lot to see Garnett able to get two feet of the basket and catch the ball.

If we never got the lead after that i'd agree with you, but this team had the lead several times and just didn't get that one score we needed. If Amar'e had hit that shot in the paint where he drew contact but didn't get a call, the game is probably ours. Great game either way. Now we know that this team is for real, but we need help, cuz this team doesn't have enough capable role players to fill the last 2 holes in the rotation.

Moral victories don't get you in the W column. I'm not to sure that MDA would play them regardless. This was a game that Mozgov and Randolph should have been used. He has to get better with his trust factor. It's hard to complain when the team is winning, the way the Knicks are winning everyone has to be hitting all cylinders. If the three man bench rotation doesn't show the burden is all on the starters, this is a case when MDA has to have others on the bench ready to contribute. MDA should be getting at least 5 man bench rotation you never know when someone is going to have an off night.

ugh, i dunno how much Mozgov could have helped in this one... dude sucks right now... if AR were playing up to his ability he could have been a factor, but he hasn't been used much all year... Turiaf is obviously not right & we got nothing from TD & Shawne Will.

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12/15/2010  11:55 PM
just another view... we got jobbed fellas.

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12/15/2010  11:58 PM
things happen. not having .2 seconds imo is not a big deal.

what i want to know is when we are going to start getting some calls go our way. it seems as though the refs let everyone be very physical against us.

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12/16/2010  12:01 AM
Amare's shot was sooooo pretty! His form was perfect!
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12/16/2010  12:06 AM
Few things that I took away from the game:

- Gallo had better play consistently from the tip-off or he is gonna get traded, no doubt in my mind. Pretty sure MDA told him to wake up or he'd wake Donnie up from his nap and tell him to trade the dude.

- Chandler's legs looked shot late in the second half. he drew some tough assignments.

- When is NY gonna get calls? And when are the refs gonna wake up?

- TD struggling.

- Bench is non-existent.

- Boston played Knicks ball, not the other way around. And both teams shot > 50%, so it showed me that NY imposed their will on tempo of the game but that Boston is just more talented and had more depth. Knicks not far from being elite. Got to address defense, second go-to guy, depth and second PG.

- Knicks have no idea what to do when Amare is out. It's OK against all but 6-8 teams in the league but certainly not the Celtics.

- Someone should clothesline Pierce.

- Pierce correctly states that Boston-New York is not a rivalry and then feels the need to prance around the court? Biggest loser I have seen in a long time. Riding the coattails of Ray, KG.

- why isn't the shot-clock person helping out the team? COME ON

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12/16/2010  12:08 AM
TMS wrote:just another view... we got jobbed fellas.


That's on the assistant coaches, then.

Then again there is the idea that the video review which would add the extra .2 would also alter the space/time continuum, and the chain of events which culminated in Amare's heroic shot might never have taken place.

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12/16/2010  12:14 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
TMS wrote:just another view... we got jobbed fellas.


That's on the assistant coaches, then.

Then again there is the idea that the video review which would add the extra .2 would also alter the space/time continuum, and the chain of events which culminated in Amare's heroic shot might never have taken place.

lol... ok doc

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12/16/2010  12:18 AM
martin wrote:Few things that I took away from the game:

- Gallo had better play consistently from the tip-off or he is gonna get traded, no doubt in my mind. Pretty sure MDA told him to wake up or he'd wake Donnie up from his nap and tell him to trade the dude.

- Chandler's legs looked shot late in the second half. he drew some tough assignments.

- When is NY gonna get calls? And when are the refs gonna wake up?

- TD struggling.

- Bench is non-existent.

- Boston played Knicks ball, not the other way around. And both teams shot > 50%, so it showed me that NY imposed their will on tempo of the game but that Boston is just more talented and had more depth. Knicks not far from being elite. Got to address defense, second go-to guy, depth and second PG.

- Knicks have no idea what to do when Amare is out. It's OK against all but 6-8 teams in the league but certainly not the Celtics.

- Someone should clothesline Pierce.

- Pierce correctly states that Boston-New York is not a rivalry and then feels the need to prance around the court? Biggest loser I have seen in a long time. Riding the coattails of Ray, KG.

- why isn't the shot-clock person helping out the team? COME ON


Pretty good martin-- who is the shot clock guy---dolan should can his arse. I just want to see gallo play hard the way he did the 2nd half for 38 minutes--if he does that he'' score 20-22 pts every night and have some 30 pt games. Man give Chandler credit he had to guard KG(in the post) Pierce and he carried Fields a little bit tonight in the rebounding dept. The guy just ran out of gas from two way play but he played a good game.

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12/16/2010  12:19 AM
This game just showed me that the knicks ARE playoff bound, but we need a high energy big that can rebound and score a lil, and a pass centric point cuz i wanna ****ing choke td sometimes, we r so lost when amare is sitting.
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12/16/2010  12:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/16/2010  12:27 AM
TMS wrote:

lol... ok doc


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12/16/2010  6:05 AM
who's job is it to knock PP out for the "victory dance" crap next bos game?
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12/16/2010  7:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/16/2010  9:11 AM
sidsanders wrote:who's job is it to knock PP out for the "victory dance" crap next bos game?

Tell me about it Sid..I tell ya what, hate is a strong word but I really really really dislike Pierce and Garnett. Always running their mouths, always talking ****...Sooner or later these fools are gonna fall to us and I'm gonna take great pride in seeing it. We played these idiots tougher than tough 2X now -- the next one's ours, I can feel it..I gotta get tix for the next time these jokers are in town -- I wanna be there when we beat them..

Looks like we did get burned on the shot clock a little there but what are ya gonna do? Would the .2 of a sec extra have helped? Looks like it huh?? I thought Pierce's shot was clean (he created space like good players do--it wasn't a blatant charge from what I saw) and it was obviously big -- gotta give him credit even though I don't want to.

I want another big for the frontline more than anything..I can see keeping assets intact and not dealing for help right now, not when that help could be available in other ways..I want another big man to help out with the dirty work--we need that ASAP..Amar'e needs help; no two ways about it..FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, cut Mason Jr already and bring in another free agent or D-League big for some immediate/affordable support..A small move like that could go such a long way man. It's a move that should've been made weeks ago..And I don't wanna hear how Mason jr is good 2-guard insurance---nonsense. God forbid anything ever happen to Fields, Chandler could slide over, Rautins could get some time, make that should (I'm not giving up on this kid, not when guys like Steve Kerr, John Paxson, Matt Carroll and countless others have made it in this league--Rautins has as much talent if not more than any of those guys), or you go out and add Paul Harris from the NBDL for peanuts as well (Harris is a good player that's playing well right now for the Maine Red Claws--if we had the room, I'd add Harris along with the best NBDL big I could get my hands on).

First order of business: incorporate Randolph &/or Rautins ASAP -- there's no reason in the world both guys can't help us. Look from within for support first..If MDA's dead-set against the idea for whatever the reason however, cut Roger Mason and add one of the following guys IMMEDIATELY: Dwayne Jones, Chris Johnson or Courtney Sims..Any one of those guys could have an impact for us. It was the move to make over a month ago..Never too late. Make that move then reassess things after a couple of weeks..Maybe that's the answer..Have no idea in the world why we're against going that route. A before B man -- you tweak it first before any major reconstruction that's gonna cost us assets we're obviously holding onto for something major.

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12/16/2010  8:24 AM
Bench is really playing poorly, and the starters are really playing great. Makes for an tough combo. Its about as exciting a game you will see in Dec. No moral victories though... Ray Allen cant be open for late 3s. You just knew Pierce was going to win the game on that shot, you just knew. Thats what makes him a great player.

- Boston played Knicks ball, not the other way around. And both teams shot > 50%, so it showed me that NY imposed their will on tempo of the game but that Boston is just more talented and had more depth. Knicks not far from being elite. Got to address defense, second go-to guy, depth and second PG.
Martin.. this is the one positive. This forum is plagued and obsessed with Carmelo and against the best defensive team in the NBA we shoot 50% score 100+ and had several scoring outburts the Celtics couldnt stop.
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12/16/2010  8:45 AM
i understand toney douglas has been hurt, but he's playing himself out of the rotation. i think it might be time to give someone else a chance to see what they can do because right now the bench is horrid. i can't help but think randolph's energy and defensive ability wouldve been able to help somewhere last night. who knows with this kid though, if he's not giving the effort in practice (like some reports have stated) then he shouldn't be playing and that's a shame.
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12/16/2010  9:15 AM
even though the team lost, it feels DAMN good to be a knicks fan today.

amare should be renamed - ALL IN. this guy does everything for this team. when he is on the floor, the team displays confidence like no other. i musta said 'beast' about 40 times last night during the game watching him.

as for the rest of the team, when amare is out, the cohesion is lacking. there's no go to guy after him. there were plays where felton was dribbling looking around for someone to make a move and it just wasnt happening, forcing him to take a few pretty bad shots. not his fault per se, but you can see the need for one more go to guy. felton shouldnt be that guy. he should be the orchestrator, not the savior.

will chandler is a guy to keep. the guy quietly gets the job done.

i think gallo is replacable, he just doesnt have it imho. i think i saw mda telling him to 'wake up' at one point. gallo only came alive for a brief stretch last night....too little too late. told marv last night if it were up to me, u give him up to get melo in a heartbeat.

all in all, tuff loss, but we need to remember to bring the same intensity on friday. the heat are gonna be amped up for this game and we need to do more than just match that intensity.

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12/16/2010  9:16 AM
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JrZyHuStLa wrote:
iSergio wrote:We really need a go-to-scorer besides Amar'e Stoudemire. Boston came back twice when STAT was on the bench. I know Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler had good games but this is another reason why you trade them for Carmelo Anthony if you can. We don't lose leads with STAT on the bench if we have Melo on the floor.

I was watching Orlando at Denver last night. Dwight Howard or not, Carmelo was having his way and scoring at will.

If they ask only two guys for carmelo I probably would do it. Just going by the rumors they want more it seems.

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I would not give up 2 of our best players for Carmelo. If Carmelo wants to come here we wait till the end of the season. I beleive that we are one of the most hatted teams in the league. We can't even get a 1st round pick for Randolph or anyone on the bench. No one wants to see the knicks come back. But I'm telling you we are coming back with a vengence. Id rather loose Carmelo than to give up Gallo and Chandler. What if Chandler or Amear goes down? We are screwed.

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12/16/2010  9:20 AM
jimimou wrote:even though the team lost, it feels DAMN good to be a knicks fan today.

amare should be renamed - ALL IN. this guy does everything for this team. when he is on the floor, the team displays confidence like no other. i musta said 'beast' about 40 times last night during the game watching him.

as for the rest of the team, when amare is out, the cohesion is lacking. there's no go to guy after him. there were plays where felton was dribbling looking around for someone to make a move and it just wasnt happening, forcing him to take a few pretty bad shots. not his fault per se, but you can see the need for one more go to guy. felton shouldnt be that guy. he should be the orchestrator, not the savior.

will chandler is a guy to keep. the guy quietly gets the job done.

i think gallo is replacable, he just doesnt have it imho. i think i saw mda telling him to 'wake up' at one point. gallo only came alive for a brief stretch last night....too little too late. told marv last night if it were up to me, u give him up to get melo in a heartbeat.

all in all, tuff loss, but we need to remember to bring the same intensity on friday. the heat are gonna be amped up for this game and we need to do more than just match that intensity.

I would like to see them both stay. I like what Fields/Chandler/Gallo brings as a unit. Amare is a monster and Felton a great motor. If we could add a true combo guard and a legit big off the bench I think we are rolling. Hopefully Douglas/Mosgov can be those guys but if not (and sooner than late) we need some help there
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