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6/12/2013  10:20 AM
Nalod wrote:
playa2 wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:Imagine if Indy would had kept Leonard ... I would've ranked them above Miami

Logically it probably wouldn't have worked because they Danny Granger/Paul George already there. They needed a point guard and they got George Hill. You can't play Granger/George/Leonard high rotation minutes...wouldn't worked as you wouldn't be maximizing your assets.

I think proves more so is the Spurs always have competent people in their organization to make those kind of decisions that leads to those moves being made.

If any organization should copied it's them and it's been this way for over decade. They are the model organization above all others.

Yea take away Robinson and Duncan and they would have been like everyone else. The character those two put on display made everybody else fall in line. No Duncan or Robinson and the culture wouldn't have changed in San Antonio. Coach Pop would not have lasted without those guys setting the tone to buy in.

Pop was an assistant under Larry Brown. Larry started this run!

Pop took it to another level.

Credit Peter Holt the owner for keeping it going.

Credit Duncan AND Pop TOGETHER.

Credit Phil Jax and Jordan. Credit Phil Jax and Kobe.

Jordan wins only with Jax. Kobe got his 5 with Jax.

Duncan WITH Pop.

Maybe Pop gets it down with others? Don't know.

Its done with a core and role players who step up. All great teams have that in common. We only look at highlights of Jordan and thnk every game he had was great. It was not always.

Circle around to Mooby, its why the star system does not always work. Last nite if not for Mike MIller Heat lose by 50!

Credit Spurs, not Heat failure last nite.

Spurs need to still win two more. It ain't over yet.

Actually Pop, RC Buford and Larry Brown were all shyt-canned by the old owner and Pop became an assistant under Don Nelson in Golden State in 1992. He then returned to be GM/VP of Operations for the Spurs under the current owner.

His first move, bringing Avery Johnson from GS to be point guard of the Spurs.

Bob Hill was the coach of the Spurs at the time, started 3-15, Pop axed his ass and took over, tanked the rest of the season, got the #1 pick in the draft.

The rest is history. Definitely alot of luck involved with the strategic tanking, but definitely alot of credit to Pop/Buford/Duncan for making it happen too.
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6/12/2013  11:07 AM
Robinson taught Duncan how to be on and off the court as the "REAR ADMIRAL" , without that happening who knows what quiet Tim Duncan shares with the squads that came after him.
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6/12/2013  12:16 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Nalod wrote:
playa2 wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:Imagine if Indy would had kept Leonard ... I would've ranked them above Miami

Logically it probably wouldn't have worked because they Danny Granger/Paul George already there. They needed a point guard and they got George Hill. You can't play Granger/George/Leonard high rotation minutes...wouldn't worked as you wouldn't be maximizing your assets.

I think proves more so is the Spurs always have competent people in their organization to make those kind of decisions that leads to those moves being made.

If any organization should copied it's them and it's been this way for over decade. They are the model organization above all others.

Yea take away Robinson and Duncan and they would have been like everyone else. The character those two put on display made everybody else fall in line. No Duncan or Robinson and the culture wouldn't have changed in San Antonio. Coach Pop would not have lasted without those guys setting the tone to buy in.

Pop was an assistant under Larry Brown. Larry started this run!

Pop took it to another level.

Credit Peter Holt the owner for keeping it going.

Credit Duncan AND Pop TOGETHER.

Credit Phil Jax and Jordan. Credit Phil Jax and Kobe.

Jordan wins only with Jax. Kobe got his 5 with Jax.

Duncan WITH Pop.

Maybe Pop gets it down with others? Don't know.

Its done with a core and role players who step up. All great teams have that in common. We only look at highlights of Jordan and thnk every game he had was great. It was not always.

Circle around to Mooby, its why the star system does not always work. Last nite if not for Mike MIller Heat lose by 50!

Credit Spurs, not Heat failure last nite.

Spurs need to still win two more. It ain't over yet.

Actually Pop, RC Buford and Larry Brown were all shyt-canned by the old owner and Pop became an assistant under Don Nelson in Golden State in 1992. He then returned to be GM/VP of Operations for the Spurs under the current owner.

His first move, bringing Avery Johnson from GS to be point guard of the Spurs.

Bob Hill was the coach of the Spurs at the time, started 3-15, Pop axed his ass and took over, tanked the rest of the season, got the #1 pick in the draft.

The rest is history. Definitely alot of luck involved with the strategic tanking, but definitely alot of credit to Pop/Buford/Duncan for making it happen too.

Never underestimate the luck, or good fortune that comes with obtaining talent. But its never a given that success will follow!
There is so much in a team game that has to come together.

Hindsight makes it look easy but how many times has talent been squandered and never reached its potential?

Many fans think Phil Jax winning was a lock with Jordan, but the fact is Jordan needed Jax to reach that level as did Kobe. I Think for what ever reason this is whats missing from Lebrons world. Its what was missing in Wilts career as well.

There are far more near misses with great players than successes in the history of all pro sports.

Spurs have not been perfect and thier playoff run this year might have a lot to do with OKC not being as good as last year. Last season it was said Spurs can beat the heat but could not OKC and this was before the playoffs. Maybe we beat them as well, but you got to get thru other teams first.

Spurs were ready when the opportunity was there.

Spurs could have traded Duncan to another team to get another scorer with DRobinson! Instead they kept the pick and got it done!
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6/12/2013  10:50 PM
saw game 3 tonight on dvr. wow i love this kid kawai leonard. it's the kind of player wilson chandler can be with the right coaching. dude is a playoff type player. big time floor impact.

ginobili SO smart and seems to make clutch basketball plays that dictate momentum, inspiring his own guys and demoralizing the opponent. bosh invisible-- again, and wade.... where's the fork?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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6/12/2013  11:33 PM
dk7th wrote:saw game 3 tonight on dvr. wow i love this kid kawai leonard. it's the kind of player wilson chandler can be with the right coaching. dude is a playoff type player. big time floor impact.

ginobili SO smart and seems to make clutch basketball plays that dictate momentum, inspiring his own guys and demoralizing the opponent. bosh invisible-- again, and wade.... where's the fork?

Kawhi has a tremendous wingspan and huge hands. He also was a very good defender. If you focus on those attributes he was a cant miss pro. Kawhi's hands look bigger than baseball mitts.

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6/12/2013  11:52 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:saw game 3 tonight on dvr. wow i love this kid kawai leonard. it's the kind of player wilson chandler can be with the right coaching. dude is a playoff type player. big time floor impact.

ginobili SO smart and seems to make clutch basketball plays that dictate momentum, inspiring his own guys and demoralizing the opponent. bosh invisible-- again, and wade.... where's the fork?

Kawhi has a tremendous wingspan and huge hands. He also was a very good defender. If you focus on those attributes he was a cant miss pro. Kawhi's hands look bigger than baseball mitts.

in the playoffs there's no substitute for defending the position and he stayed in front of lebron just great. also he has obviously been working on the midrange floater over length, he can hit the 3 ball and will get better, and he made a couple of gorgeous passes in traffic last night. some of it is coaching but man, he is just a great asset to a title contender. the league needs a lot more guys like him.

of the new generation of players i have to say that kawhi leonard and paul george are up there among the best i have seen.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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6/13/2013  12:21 AM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:saw game 3 tonight on dvr. wow i love this kid kawai leonard. it's the kind of player wilson chandler can be with the right coaching. dude is a playoff type player. big time floor impact.

ginobili SO smart and seems to make clutch basketball plays that dictate momentum, inspiring his own guys and demoralizing the opponent. bosh invisible-- again, and wade.... where's the fork?

Kawhi has a tremendous wingspan and huge hands. He also was a very good defender. If you focus on those attributes he was a cant miss pro. Kawhi's hands look bigger than baseball mitts.

in the playoffs there's no substitute for defending the position and he stayed in front of lebron just great. also he has obviously been working on the midrange floater over length, he can hit the 3 ball and will get better, and he made a couple of gorgeous passes in traffic last night. some of it is coaching but man, he is just a great asset to a title contender. the league needs a lot more guys like him.

of the new generation of players i have to say that kawhi leonard and paul george are up there among the best i have seen.

I agree, those guys seem to value the little things, the other parts of the game that may not always show up on a stat sheet.. they are talented and I don't even think they know how good they are.. which can be a good thing....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/13/2013  11:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/13/2013  11:29 AM
Nalod wrote:
playa2 wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:Imagine if Indy would had kept Leonard ... I would've ranked them above Miami

Logically it probably wouldn't have worked because they Danny Granger/Paul George already there. They needed a point guard and they got George Hill. You can't play Granger/George/Leonard high rotation minutes...wouldn't worked as you wouldn't be maximizing your assets.

I think proves more so is the Spurs always have competent people in their organization to make those kind of decisions that leads to those moves being made.

If any organization should copied it's them and it's been this way for over decade. They are the model organization above all others.

Yea take away Robinson and Duncan and they would have been like everyone else. The character those two put on display made everybody else fall in line. No Duncan or Robinson and the culture wouldn't have changed in San Antonio. Coach Pop would not have lasted without those guys setting the tone to buy in.

Hows that "pressure to win at home" thing working out?

Its just not relevant.

You're a clown , you only remember one side of the theory, and for that "I laugh at you" LOL

You left out the most important element, the visiting team bringing it and playing hard for 48 minutes that's where the home team feels the pressure. You sumpin !

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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6/13/2013  11:31 AM
playa2 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
playa2 wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:Imagine if Indy would had kept Leonard ... I would've ranked them above Miami

Logically it probably wouldn't have worked because they Danny Granger/Paul George already there. They needed a point guard and they got George Hill. You can't play Granger/George/Leonard high rotation minutes...wouldn't worked as you wouldn't be maximizing your assets.

I think proves more so is the Spurs always have competent people in their organization to make those kind of decisions that leads to those moves being made.

If any organization should copied it's them and it's been this way for over decade. They are the model organization above all others.

Yea take away Robinson and Duncan and they would have been like everyone else. The character those two put on display made everybody else fall in line. No Duncan or Robinson and the culture wouldn't have changed in San Antonio. Coach Pop would not have lasted without those guys setting the tone to buy in.

Hows that "pressure to win at home" thing working out?

Its just not relevant.

You're a clown , you only remember one side of the theory, and for that "I laugh at you" LOL

You left out the most important element, the visiting team brining it and playing hard for 48 minutes. You sumpin !


Right either the home team gets tight because the road team brings it for 48 min and the home team loses OR the home team doesn't get tight because the road team didn't bring it for 48 min and thus the home team wins.
Your theory amounts to nothing more than "either the home or road team will win." You just then added a few vague statements to the theory.
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6/13/2013  11:34 AM
playa2 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
playa2 wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:Imagine if Indy would had kept Leonard ... I would've ranked them above Miami

Logically it probably wouldn't have worked because they Danny Granger/Paul George already there. They needed a point guard and they got George Hill. You can't play Granger/George/Leonard high rotation minutes...wouldn't worked as you wouldn't be maximizing your assets.

I think proves more so is the Spurs always have competent people in their organization to make those kind of decisions that leads to those moves being made.

If any organization should copied it's them and it's been this way for over decade. They are the model organization above all others.

Yea take away Robinson and Duncan and they would have been like everyone else. The character those two put on display made everybody else fall in line. No Duncan or Robinson and the culture wouldn't have changed in San Antonio. Coach Pop would not have lasted without those guys setting the tone to buy in.

Hows that "pressure to win at home" thing working out?

Its just not relevant.

You're a clown , you only remember one side of the theory, and for that "I laugh at you" LOL

You left out the most important element, the visiting team bringing it and playing hard for 48 minutes that's where the home team feels the pressure. You sumpin !

Your brilliant! Its so obvious nobody can see it!

that moment of clarity should be read by an NBA exec and you should be hired on the spot for that!

So bascially the home team is will win even if it has jitters unless the visiting team brings it, and brings it for the full 48 min!

you might have cracked the code for visiting teams who want to win a playoff game on the road!
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6/13/2013  12:53 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
playa2 wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:Imagine if Indy would had kept Leonard ... I would've ranked them above Miami

Logically it probably wouldn't have worked because they Danny Granger/Paul George already there. They needed a point guard and they got George Hill. You can't play Granger/George/Leonard high rotation minutes...wouldn't worked as you wouldn't be maximizing your assets.

I think proves more so is the Spurs always have competent people in their organization to make those kind of decisions that leads to those moves being made.

If any organization should copied it's them and it's been this way for over decade. They are the model organization above all others.

Yea take away Robinson and Duncan and they would have been like everyone else. The character those two put on display made everybody else fall in line. No Duncan or Robinson and the culture wouldn't have changed in San Antonio. Coach Pop would not have lasted without those guys setting the tone to buy in.

Hows that "pressure to win at home" thing working out?

Its just not relevant.

You're a clown , you only remember one side of the theory, and for that "I laugh at you" LOL

You left out the most important element, the visiting team brining it and playing hard for 48 minutes. You sumpin !


Right either the home team gets tight because the road team brings it for 48 min and the home team loses OR the home team doesn't get tight because the road team didn't bring it for 48 min and thus the home team wins.
Your theory amounts to nothing more than "either the home or road team will win." You just then added a few vague statements to the theory.

No, the home team gets tight because of the pressure from family, the fans, and local media who all expect them to win. so when the visiting team brings it for 48 minutes they will have the advantage in a tightly contested playoff game. Now when the visiting team doesn't bring it , the home team with their fans cheering them on , it gives them momentum and works in a positive way.

The game is 90% mental and 10% physical. Bonn I don't expect you and Nalod agree and I definitely don't expect you guys to understand.LOL

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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6/13/2013  1:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/13/2013  1:10 PM
playa2 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
playa2 wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:Imagine if Indy would had kept Leonard ... I would've ranked them above Miami

Logically it probably wouldn't have worked because they Danny Granger/Paul George already there. They needed a point guard and they got George Hill. You can't play Granger/George/Leonard high rotation minutes...wouldn't worked as you wouldn't be maximizing your assets.

I think proves more so is the Spurs always have competent people in their organization to make those kind of decisions that leads to those moves being made.

If any organization should copied it's them and it's been this way for over decade. They are the model organization above all others.

Yea take away Robinson and Duncan and they would have been like everyone else. The character those two put on display made everybody else fall in line. No Duncan or Robinson and the culture wouldn't have changed in San Antonio. Coach Pop would not have lasted without those guys setting the tone to buy in.

Hows that "pressure to win at home" thing working out?

Its just not relevant.

You're a clown , you only remember one side of the theory, and for that "I laugh at you" LOL

You left out the most important element, the visiting team brining it and playing hard for 48 minutes. You sumpin !


Right either the home team gets tight because the road team brings it for 48 min and the home team loses OR the home team doesn't get tight because the road team didn't bring it for 48 min and thus the home team wins.
Your theory amounts to nothing more than "either the home or road team will win." You just then added a few vague statements to the theory.

No, the home team gets tight because of the pressure from family, the fans, and local media who all expect them to win. so when the visiting team brings it for 48 minutes they will have the advantage in a tightly contested playoff game. Now when the visiting team doesn't bring it , the home team with their fans cheering them on , it gives them momentum and works in a positive way.

The game is 90% mental and 10% physical. Bonn I don't expect you and Nalod agree and I definitely don't expect you guys to understand.LOL


You're just adding one more vague statement - pressure from family, fans, media.
To use formal language, the problem is you're inferring cause from effect. You see that the home team is winning (effect or outcome) and that is your evidence that (a) there must have been too much family etc pressure and (b) the road team is "bringing it for 48 min." Likewise, if you see the home team is losing, then that itself is your evidence that the road team is "bringing it for 48 min."
If you had some way independent of the outcome to measure these factors (family pressure, road team bringing it) and could then show that those measurements predicted the outcome of the game, that would be another story.
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6/13/2013  1:36 PM
Bad D. Wade numbers I just saw.

http://knickerblogger.net/knicks-morning-news-thursday-jun-13-2013/#comment-438674

Frank
June 13, 2013 at 12:42 pm

btw you know what’s crazy? Dwyane Wade is a -40 points/100 poss in these Finals so far.

Lebron is a +45/100 poss when he’s on the floor and Wade is off.

Any lineup that has Wade is giving up 118 points/100 poss.
Any lineup without Wade is giving up 98.8 points/100 poss.

Just nuts how badly he’s playing.

Here’s a great article about how horrible he’s been:
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2013/06/13/san-antonio-shooters/
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6/13/2013  6:02 PM
Looking to jump-start a sluggish offense, Miami Heat coach Erik Spoelstra is considering changing his starting lineup for Game 4 of the NBA Finals and inserting the hot-shooting Mike Miller, sources said Thursday…

If Spoelstra decides to make the change with Miami trailing the San Antonio Spurs 2-1 in the best-of-seven Finals, Miller likely would replace Udonis Haslem in the starting lineup to give the Heat more shooters in an attempt to spread the floor.


http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9380625/2013-nba-finals-miami-heat-consider-moving-mike-miller-starting-lineup-game-4-sources-say
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CrushAlot wrote:
Looking to jump-start a sluggish offense, Miami Heat coach Erik Spoelstra is considering changing his starting lineup for Game 4 of the NBA Finals and inserting the hot-shooting Mike Miller, sources said Thursday…

If Spoelstra decides to make the change with Miami trailing the San Antonio Spurs 2-1 in the best-of-seven Finals, Miller likely would replace Udonis Haslem in the starting lineup to give the Heat more shooters in an attempt to spread the floor.


http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9380625/2013-nba-finals-miami-heat-consider-moving-mike-miller-starting-lineup-game-4-sources-say

Looks like Pat Riley is dusting off the coaching blackboard and practice whistle. Mike Woodson should have done the exact same thing. The way the knicks were built we had to outscore the Pacers not defend more. Copeland should have been in the rotation the entire series from day 1.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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6/13/2013  7:29 PM
playa2 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Looking to jump-start a sluggish offense, Miami Heat coach Erik Spoelstra is considering changing his starting lineup for Game 4 of the NBA Finals and inserting the hot-shooting Mike Miller, sources said Thursday…

If Spoelstra decides to make the change with Miami trailing the San Antonio Spurs 2-1 in the best-of-seven Finals, Miller likely would replace Udonis Haslem in the starting lineup to give the Heat more shooters in an attempt to spread the floor.


http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9380625/2013-nba-finals-miami-heat-consider-moving-mike-miller-starting-lineup-game-4-sources-say

Looks like Pat Riley is dusting off the coaching blackboard and practice whistle. Mike Woodson should have done the exact same thing. The way the knicks were built we had to outscore the Pacers not defend more. Copeland should have been in the rotation the entire series from day 1.

I heard a lot of talk about how bad Miller's defense has been and how it has compromised the heat. I have only been watching a quarter or two a game so I can't speak to it personally. In regards to Cope, Miller is a former rookie of the year and a very accomplished vet. Cope was an undrafted rookie free agent in his second playoff series. He stepped up some against Indy but to think that Cope gets the Knicks past the Pacers is overrating his impact greatly in my opinion. If you have to rely on a guy that was a summer camp invite to carry you to 2 more wins in the playoffs I would say generally your roster mustn't be that good.
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6/13/2013  7:33 PM
To player, Cope is god.
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6/13/2013  7:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/13/2013  8:02 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
playa2 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Looking to jump-start a sluggish offense, Miami Heat coach Erik Spoelstra is considering changing his starting lineup for Game 4 of the NBA Finals and inserting the hot-shooting Mike Miller, sources said Thursday…

If Spoelstra decides to make the change with Miami trailing the San Antonio Spurs 2-1 in the best-of-seven Finals, Miller likely would replace Udonis Haslem in the starting lineup to give the Heat more shooters in an attempt to spread the floor.


http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9380625/2013-nba-finals-miami-heat-consider-moving-mike-miller-starting-lineup-game-4-sources-say

Looks like Pat Riley is dusting off the coaching blackboard and practice whistle. Mike Woodson should have done the exact same thing. The way the knicks were built we had to outscore the Pacers not defend more. Copeland should have been in the rotation the entire series from day 1.

I heard a lot of talk about how bad Miller's defense has been and how it has compromised the heat. I have only been watching a quarter or two a game so I can't speak to it personally. In regards to Cope, Miller is a former rookie of the year and a very accomplished vet. Cope was an undrafted rookie free agent in his second playoff series. He stepped up some against Indy but to think that Cope gets the Knicks past the Pacers is overrating his impact greatly in my opinion. If you have to rely on a guy that was a summer camp invite to carry you to 2 more wins in the playoffs I would say generally your roster mustn't be that good.

I'm not saying Copeland is as accomplished as Mike Miller, far from it, but what I am saying is we had nobody who could HELP change the momentum in a game or series scoring off the bench like Copeland could.

Copeland was hungry and had a chip on his shoulder, he was fighting the Pacers and Woodson for meaningful playing time.

And then Woody sat him down


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6/13/2013  8:31 PM
Pressure is on the Spurs tonight AT HOME, they are suppose to win , but the Heat needs the game more(Miami US AGAINST THE WORLD MENTALITY TONIGHT)

Look for the heat to win down the stretch tonight. Look for spurs to look uncertain in the end.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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6/13/2013  8:52 PM
Wade has to take the pain shot tonight in his knee, should play aggressive .

If Lebron doesn't show up he proves my point he's a great athlete but mental midget. The game is 90% mental 10% physical

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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