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This is absolutely sick😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢🤔

Here is the latest CDC numbers https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm Just look at "total deaths"
I don't see this updated on the tracking sites like https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus//url]

NotInMyHouse wrote:Not sure if I am reading this correctly, but it looks like the CDC (on May 1st) just lowered the number of deaths by around 30,000 people.
Total deaths now 37,308 (Down from 67,000 or so at the time.) I haven't seen this on MSM.

Here is the latest CDC numbers https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm Just look at "total deaths"
I don't see this updated on the tracking sites like https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus//url]

I'm genuinely not sure why you seem to want to keep downplaying this? Even trump is saying it’ll probably be 100,000 dead- that’s up from the 60,000 he predicted a few weeks ago (and is only wave 1, who knows what wave 2 will bring once everything gets opened up). Meanwhile you want to downgrade it to 30,000. I just don’t get why you want to believe everyone in every country is lying And it’s actually just a minor flu? Is it so you feel smarter than everyone else?

Also problematic is that it seems 25% of infected are completely asymptomatic, which makes containing this without a blood test, very difficult.

Cases in Germany likely to be 10 times higher than official number, researchers conclude

More than 10 times as many people in Germany have probably been infected with the coronavirus than the number of confirmed cases, researchers from the University of Bonn have concluded from a field trial in one of the worst hit towns.

The preliminary study results, which have yet to be peer reviewed for publication in a scientific journal, serve as a reminder of the dangers of infection by unidentified carriers of the virus, some of whom show no symptoms, the researchers said.

The readings come as Germany took further steps on Monday to ease restrictions, with museums, hairdressers, churches and more car factories reopening under strict conditions.

About 1.8 million people living in Germany must have been infected, more than 10 times the number of about 160,000 confirmed cases so far, the team led by medical researchers Hendrik Streeck and Gunther Hartmann concluded.

“The results can help to further improve the models to calculate how the virus spreads. So far the underlying data has been relatively weak,” Hartmann said in a statement.

The team analysed blood and nasal swabs from a random sample of 919 people living in a town in the municipality of Heinsberg on the Dutch border, which had among the highest death tolls in Germany.

To arrive at their estimate, the researchers put the town’s number of known deaths from Covid-19 relative to the larger estimate of local people with a prior infection – as indicated by antibody blood test readings – and applied the rate of 0.37% to country-wide deaths.

They also found that about one in five of those infected showed no symptoms.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/04/coronavirus-live-news-mike-pompeo-pushes-virus-lab-theory-as-brazil-passes-100000-cases

NotInMyHouse wrote:

martin wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:Not sure if I am reading this correctly, but it looks like the CDC (on May 1st) just lowered the number of deaths by around 30,000 people.
Total deaths now 37,308 (Down from 67,000 or so at the time.) I haven't seen this on MSM.

Here is the latest CDC numbers https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm Just look at "total deaths"
I don't see this updated on the tracking sites like https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus//url]

You are not. Just read the whole page to understand what they are actually trying to report on. They are NOT lowering any numbers.

I dont know why this keeps happening but you keep putting out false or heavily slanted information. Pretty much a majority of your posts on this subject.

Why?

I come in peace. Don’t mistake a difference of opinion, or questioning, for not being anything other than sincere.

-My last few posts were about a press conference from 2 doctors that own a clinic. I also broke it down for you, per your request, and spent over an hour doing so. That was an honest and good intentioned thing.

-The post before that was from MSNBC and it was about HCQ and it’s successes.

-The one before that was from the Washington Post regarding a State Department cable warning of safety issues at Wuhan lab studying bat coronaviruses.

-The post before that, about 3 weeks ago, was about the flattening curve.

So, I’m not sure what you are seeing when you say I post heavily slanted or false information. We all have our own opinions; it is that simple. If you look at our Country and all the demonstrations and such, it is pretty easy to understand that many sincere people just have differing opinions. It is healthy to question.

Can someone explain the below graphic please? I’m not looking for conflict. The CDC bolded Total Deaths and said in the fine print “confirmed or presumed”. Either it is lag or some data was moved to pneumonia for confirmation later. Full link is above in prior post.

I guess it's hard to grasp your understanding of what the article is about. CDC is trying to categorize COVID19 deaths. It notes that it's data could be 2 weeks behind. It also notes that the data is for dates 2/1-4/25 (and 2 weeks behind that end date is 4/11?). When reading, gotta read everything on page.

From the page:

"NOTE: Number of deaths reported in this table are the total number of deaths received and coded as of the date of analysis and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that period. The United States population, based on 2018 postcensal estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau, is 327,167,434.

*Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction, age, and cause of death."

Also, I think it may be best to ask yourself, well this info does not match EVERY other prominent site out there that is trying to show similar information... why is that? And then answer it for yourself.

Immediately jumping to a conclusion of "it looks like the CDC (on May 1st) just lowered the number of deaths by around 30,000 people" seems odd, and that's putting it nicely.

Again, it's hard to discern where you are getting your information from. How do you happenstance on this one oddball report when there is nothing else out there that matches.

Trump administration predicts daily death toll will double next month - report

Even though Trump is encouraging states to start the process of reopening, his administration has privately predicted that the country’s daily coronavirus death toll will double next month, according to a new report.

The New York Times reports:

[The Trump administration] is privately projecting a steady rise in the number of cases and deaths from coronavirus over the next several weeks, reaching about 3,000 daily deaths on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, nearly double from the current level of about 1,750.

The projections, based on modeling by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and pulled together in chart form by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases now.

The numbers underscore a sobering reality: While the United States has been hunkered down for the past seven weeks, not much has changed. And the reopening to the economy will make matters worse.

During his Fox News interview last night, the president doubled his estimate of the expected US death toll from what he said just two weeks ago.

“We’re going to lose anywhere from 75, 80 to 100,000 people,” Trump said. “That’s a horrible thing. We shouldn’t lose one person over this.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/04/coronavirus-us-live-trump-second-wave-deaths-cuomo-new-york-latest-news-updates?page=with:block-5eb0397c8f0826dcf8dc2d2f#block-5eb0397c8f0826dcf8dc2d2f

Though:

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https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/05/04/third-russian-doctor-falls-from-hospital-window-after-coronavirus-complaint-a70176

A paramedic who complained about being forced to work despite contracting coronavirus is in critical condition after he fell from a hospital window in western Russia this weekend, local media reported.

This is at least the third incident in which a Russian healthcare professional has plunged from a hospital building under mysterious circumstances in the past two weeks. The two previous doctors have died from their injuries.

NotInMyHouse wrote:Martin, all – I was very clear in my post with “Not sure if I’m reading this correctly” and listing the tracking sites I use. I can’t be much more careful if I want to ask a question / talk about something.

Let me try to give you (all) a different perspective since I am in the minority here.

Liberals essentially own MSM (CNN, ABC, CBS, and I’ll even throw FOX in there, even though they seem to have more balance.), Social Media (e.g. YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc.), The Education/College system, Hollywood, and on. And as it relates to this thread, Liberals in the medical system also seem to be directing the pandemic narrative (for the most part.)

How can anyone disuss another point of view if anything right of left is not allowed? Am I wrong? What news sites are acceptable that cover more than just a left perspective? I get news from many many sites but am not sure what is even acceptable (that isn't left anyway.) Talking about a topic that affects everyone, while only using one side of MSM seems inherently flawed, and biased by definition. FOX is the only MSM that touches center or right of center, and I’m not even a fan.

It goes both ways regarding looking inside or in the mirror. We all can benefit from that.

Respectfully,

So, your perspective is not right, lets start there. Fox is not center and right center; similarly CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC are not MSM who are owned by liberals. Get that our of your head. You will always be able to find an outlier (report, reporter) here and there but at high level your starting point is waaaayyyy off.

The medical system is just what it is: the medical system. There is no directing the pandemic narrative from a scientific perspective. Scientists report facts, media should help us understand those facts. From there you can perhaps draw your own conclusions.

I have no idea why YOU think that liberals essentially own MSM, Social Media, Educational system, Hollywood (why do you care about this?), etc. Perhaps you can explain that perspective, cause it seems to come straight from ultra right type outlets.

Help everyone else out. Perhaps you can describe your background, demographics, etc.

I did send you another email, might help.

NotInMyHouse wrote:Martin, all – I was very clear in my post with “Not sure if I’m reading this correctly” and listing the tracking sites I use. I can’t be much more careful if I want to ask a question / talk about something.

Let me try to give you (all) a different perspective since I am in the minority here.

Liberals essentially own MSM (CNN, ABC, CBS, and I’ll even throw FOX in there, even though they seem to have more balance.), Social Media (e.g. YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc.), The Education/College system, Hollywood, and on. And as it relates to this thread, Liberals in the medical system also seem to be directing the pandemic narrative (for the most part.)

How can anyone disuss another point of view if anything right of left is not allowed? Am I wrong? What news sites are acceptable that cover more than just a left perspective? I get news from many many sites but am not sure what is even acceptable (that isn't left anyway.) Talking about a topic that affects everyone, while only using one side of MSM seems inherently flawed, and biased by definition. FOX is the only MSM that touches center or right of center, and I’m not even a fan.

It goes both ways regarding looking inside or in the mirror. We all can benefit from that.

Respectfully,

Calling Fox having more balance shows where your point of view is coming from.

NotInMyHouse wrote:Martin, all – I was very clear in my post with “Not sure if I’m reading this correctly” and listing the tracking sites I use. I can’t be much more careful if I want to ask a question / talk about something.

Let me try to give you (all) a different perspective since I am in the minority here.

Liberals essentially own MSM (CNN, ABC, CBS, and I’ll even throw FOX in there, even though they seem to have more balance.), Social Media (e.g. YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc.), The Education/College system, Hollywood, and on. And as it relates to this thread, Liberals in the medical system also seem to be directing the pandemic narrative (for the most part.)

How can anyone disuss another point of view if anything right of left is not allowed? Am I wrong? What news sites are acceptable that cover more than just a left perspective? I get news from many many sites but am not sure what is even acceptable (that isn't left anyway.) Talking about a topic that affects everyone, while only using one side of MSM seems inherently flawed, and biased by definition. FOX is the only MSM that touches center or right of center, and I’m not even a fan.

It goes both ways regarding looking inside or in the mirror. We all can benefit from that.

Respectfully,

If you want unbiased independent reporting and news coverage do not even look at any US outlets.
They all are biased left or right.
Just look at all of them with the grain of salt an use your own brain.
I prefer British US news coverage like BBC over all US outlets.
They are outside and are not biased as much.