reub wrote:Julian Assange and Guccifer2 are providing us with the information that an honest, unbiased press would normally provide.

many in the security intelligence field think Guccifer2 is a group within the FSB, the old KGB. Just keep that in mind.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/opinion/donald-trumps-putin-crush.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0

When it comes to rebutting Donald Trump’s idiotic observation that Vladimir Putin is a strong leader — “far more than our president has been a leader” — it is hard to top the assessment of Russian-born Garry Kasparov, the former world chess champion, which The Times’s Andrew Higgins quoted in his story from Moscow: “Vladimir Putin is a strong leader in the same way that arsenic is a strong drink. Praising a brutal K.G.B. dictator, especially as preferable to a democratically elected U.S. president, whether you like Obama or hate him, is despicable and dangerous.”

Indeed, Kasparov’s point cuts to the core of what is so scary about a Trump presidency: Trump is what The Economist has called “the leading exponent of ‘post-truth’ politics — a reliance on assertions that ‘feel true’ but have no basis in fact,” and, sadly, “his brazenness is not punished, but taken as evidence of his willingness to stand up to elite power.” When politics becomes “like pro-wrestling,” society pays a huge cost, The Economist added, because any complex explanation of any problem is dismissed as experts just trying “to bamboozle everyone else.”

So Trump just skips from blaming Mexican immigrants for high murder rates, to President Obama for inventing ISIS, to China for creating the concept of global warming, to thousands of Muslims in New Jersey for celebrating 9/11, to Obama for really having been born in Kenya, to an I.R.S. audit for preventing him from showing us his tax returns — which would probably show that he paid no taxes.

Every word of it is a lie that most in his own party won’t call out. Can you imagine the damage Trump could do to the fabric of our democracy if he had the White House pulpit from which to preach his post-truth politics — how it would filter down into public discourse at large and infect every policy debate?

“Donald Trump has not only brought haters into the mainstream, he has normalized hate for a much broader swathe of the population who were perhaps already disaffected but had their grievances and latent prejudices held in check by social norms,” observed Josh Marshall, publisher of TalkingPointsMemo.com, in his blog on Saturday. “This isn’t some minor point or critique. It’s a fundamental part of what is at stake in this election, what makes it different from Obama v. Romney. … This election has become a battle to combat the moral and civic cancer Trump has [been] injecting into the body politic.”

Think about the ridiculous trope Trump has been peddling, that if only Obama were as “strong” as Putin. Well, if he were, here are some of the benefits America would enjoy:

A 2015 report in The Moscow Times noted that “life expectancy in Russia has been growing several times slower than in the rest of the world for the past 20 years, according to a research by the U.S.-based Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation.” That coincides almost exactly with Putin’s leadership of the country. The article explained, “During the period of 1990-2013 [life expectancy] only grew by 1.8 years in Russia, while the global average number increased by 6.2 years, pushing Russia out of the top 100 countries with the highest life expectancy and placing it in 108th position — between Iraq and North Korea.”

Why don’t we have a leader strong enough to slow gains in the life expectancy of an entire nation?

An investigation by the World Anti-Doping Agency released last summer found that Putin’s Russia was operating a state-sponsored doping scheme for four years across the “vast majority” of Summer and Winter Olympic sports. According to a July 18, 2016, BBC report on the investigation, “Russia’s sports ministry ‘directed, controlled and oversaw’ manipulation of urine samples provided by its athletes.” Scores of Russian athletes were barred from the Rio Olympics as a result.

I get it: A weak president doesn’t dare tamper with his Olympic athletes. A strong president dopes up his Summer and Winter Olympic teams for multiple Games.

Since Putin invaded Ukraine to shore up his faltering domestic popularity, and then got hit with Western economic sanctions, the dollar-ruble exchange rate has gone from around 36 rubles to the dollar to 65 rubles to the dollar. Russia’s economic growth fell 3.7 percent in 2015, and the I.M.F. predicts it will fall 1 percent in 2016. Inflation in Russia doubled to 15.4 percent in 2015, compared with 7.8 percent in 2014. A World Bank report quoted by the BBC in April said “the number of Russians living below the poverty line will grow at its fastest pace in more than 17 years in 2016.”

It takes a strong leader to shrink his currency by 50 percent, double inflation and vastly accelerate poverty in just two years. A weak leader could never do that.

Putin is a leader who is always looking for dignity in all the wrong places — by investing in bullying wars, not in his own people; by jailing and likely poisoning his opponents; and by being so insecure that he just shut Russia’s last independent polling firm after it indicated that many Russians may not vote in the coming parliamentary elections because, among other things, they think they’re “rigged.”

This is the man Donald Trump admires more than our own president.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Since Kelly Conway and Ivanka took over behind the scenes Trump has been another candidate. It shows flexibility it shows he will work with others as a team. He went to Flint Michigan today to promise that he'd bring back jobs help make sure that the water systems were done quicker and more efficiently. I have heard nothing from Hillary on 6 months-- that's what this post is about. She's MIA a proven poor leader and a big time bser

Trump has been a concerned public servant for all of 2 minutes! Hillary started as a young woman fresh out of College and has been working for people ever since. Stop talking nonsense and look up her actual record and compare it to Trump who was galavanting around when my Dad was in Vietnam. Please don't try and make this guy out to be some high principled man.

I believe Trump would make sure the water there is fixed. That is one major plus with Trump he's a builder and he does things right. Our country needs that. Hillary is a sickly rehashed has been

Name 1 public service good that Trump has done in the last 50 years that would make you believe that he would magically turn that corner to something the country needs.

Trump is racist. Is that something the country needs? Trump has been in bankruptcy more times that we can count on one hand. Is that what the country needs? Dude couldn't beat the S&P over the past 40 years with a million dollar head start from his dad. Trump leaves a trail of unpaid bills and lawsuits littered throughout. Is that what the company needs?

Powell suggested in another email that even critical coverage of Trump didn't really work: "To go on and call him an idiot just emboldens him."

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holfresh wrote:Here are the juiciest Colin Powell comments about Trump and Clinton from his hacked emails

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/14/here-are-the-juiciest-colin-powell-comments-about-trump-and-clinton-from-his-leaked-emails/

In new emails leaked by a hacker, former secretary of state Colin L. Powell offers unvarnished and highly negative opinions about both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

He calls Trump "a national disgrace and an international pariah" who led a "racist" birther movement. And he says that he resented Clinton's dragging him into her email problems and that "everything [she] touches she kind of screws up with hubris."

The emails were first reported by BuzzFeed and the Intercept after being posted under password protection on DCLeaks.com, a site with ties to other recent hacks of U.S. political figures and groups. A Powell spokeswoman confirmed to The Washington Post that the emails are Powell's.

"We have confirmed that the general has been hacked and that these are his emails," spokeswoman Peggy Cifrino said. "We have no other comment at this time."

The Washington Post has also accessed the emails. While they are still being combed through, here are the highlights of what we've seen:
On Trump and the 'racist' birthers

Of the birther movement, which Trump led earlier this decade by publicly questioning whether President Obama was born in the United States, Powell said its underpinnings were clear.

“Yup, the whole birther movement was racist,” Powell wrote to journalist and former aide Emily Miller on Aug. 21. "That’s what the 99% believe. When Trump couldn’t keep that up he said he also wanted to see if the certificate noted that he was a Muslim.”

Powell added: "As I have said before, ‘What if he was?’ Muslims are born as Americans every day."

Powell added in August 2015, according to the Intercept: Trump "appeals to the worst angels of the GOP nature and poor white folks."
Trump takes black people 'for idiots'

In another email to Miller on Aug. 21, Powell scoffs at Trump's apparent effort to reach out to African Americans in recent weeks and says Trump takes them "for idiots."

"He is at 1% black voters and will drop. He takes us for idiots," Powell writes. "He can never overcome what he tried to do to Obama with his search for the birth certificate hoping to force Obama out of the Presidency."

Blaming the media for the rise of Trump

"It is time to start ignoring him. You guys are playing his game, you are his oxygen," he wrote to CNN's Fareed Zakaria in December. "He outraged us again today with his comments on Paris no-go for police districts. I will watch and pick the timing, not respond to the latest outrage."

(So-called "no-go" zones are places in Europe allegedly so dominated by Muslims that police have given up trying to monitor them. There is little evidence that they actually exist.)

Powell suggested in another email that even critical coverage of Trump didn't really work: "To go on and call him an idiot just emboldens him."

Trump 'has no sense of shame,' is 'a disaster'

Writing in July 2015 after Trump publicly aired the phone number of Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), a onetime rival GOP presidential candidate, Powell said: “Trump has no sense of shame.”

In addition to calling Trump, "a national disgrace and an international pariah," he also calls him a "disaster" on July 24.

Fuming about being tied to Clinton's emails

Powell's rancor is not reserved solely for Trump. And Clinton's decision to cite his use of private email as secretary of state to justify her private email server has clearly proven a sore spot -- both in these emails and in previous Powell comments.

"I have told Hilleary's [sic] minions repeatedly that they are making a mistake trying to drag me in, yet they still try," he wrote in May to former top Bill Clinton adviser Vernon Jordan. "The media isn't fooled and she is getting crucified. The differences are profound and they know it."

The two situations aren't completely analogous, as The Post's Fact Checker has written, but Clinton has used Powell to suggest that her private email server was not totally novel.

Just last month, Powell suggested that Clinton had shot herself in the foot by not apologizing immediately and by dragging out the email story. “HRC could have killed this two years ago by merely telling everyone honestly what she had done and not tie me to it," he said, according to the Intercept.
'Everything [Clinton] touches she kind of screws up with hubris'

In August 2015, Powell said to Democratic donor Jeffrey Leeds that Clinton's email problems show how liable she is to create problems for herself — and to cause problems for others' use of official email.

"They are going to dick up the legitimate and necessary use of emails with friggin' record rules," he wrote. "I saw email more like a telephone than a cable machine. ... Everything HRC touches she kind of screws up with hubris.”

Clinton comes across as sleazy 'for good reason'

On Aug. 1, after Andre Lewis asks Powell about when Powell might want to endorse Clinton in the presidential contest, Powell seems to be hesitant to jump on-board with her.

"Hillary has not been covering here [sic] self with glory," Powell writes. "For good reason she comes across as sleazy."

Whether Powell endorses or not, it seems clear he won't be overjoyed about it. On July 26, 2014, Powell emails Leeds and says he would "rather not have to vote for" Clinton, "although she is a friend I respect."

He then cites tabloid reports about Bill Clinton continuing to have affairs with "bimbos."
Saying Clinton doesn't look well

Count Powell among those with early questions about Clinton's health.

Powell chatted with Leeds in March 2015 about a column from conservative writer Peggy Noonan titled "Hillary Seems Tired, Not Hungry." Powell suggested Noonan was on the right track.

"I think there is something to it. On HD tv she doesn't look good. She is working herself to death," Powell said, adding: "She will turn 70 her first year in office."

Leeds then recounted something Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) told him about a joint event at which, according to Leeds's recounting of Whitehouse's comments, Clinton "could barely climb the podium steps."
Calling Benghazi a 'stupid witch hunt'

One area in which Powell has sympathy for Clinton is on Benghazi, the GOP reaction to which he labeled a "stupid witch hunt," as BuzzFeed first reported. And fellow former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice appeared to agree.

"Benghazi is a stupid witch hunt. Basic fault falls on a courageous ambassador who thoughts [sic] Libyans now love me and I am ok in this very vulnerable place,” Powell wrote to Rice in December 2015, referring to former ambassador to Libya J. Christopher Stevens, who was killed in the attack.

Powell added, though, that Clinton bore some blame: “But blame also rests on his leaders and supports back here. Pat Kennedy, Intel community, [State Department] and yes HRC," referring to Clinton.

“Completely agree,” Rice responded.

I think you need to go back and read what Colin says about Hillary who he actually knows!

seemed to miss lots of good unbolded hillary highlights. Damn good ... like the one about clinton still sleeping with bimbo's ... too funny. Love that guy (really).

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Since Kelly Conway and Ivanka took over behind the scenes Trump has been another candidate. It shows flexibility it shows he will work with others as a team. He went to Flint Michigan today to promise that he'd bring back jobs help make sure that the water systems were done quicker and more efficiently. I have heard nothing from Hillary on 6 months-- that's what this post is about. She's MIA a proven poor leader and a big time bser

Trump has been a concerned public servant for all of 2 minutes! Hillary started as a young woman fresh out of College and has been working for people ever since. Stop talking nonsense and look up her actual record and compare it to Trump who was galavanting around when my Dad was in Vietnam. Please don't try and make this guy out to be some high principled man.

I believe Trump would make sure the water there is fixed. That is one major plus with Trump he's a builder and he does things right. Our country needs that. Hillary is a sickly rehashed has been

Name 1 public service good that Trump has done in the last 50 years that would make you believe that he would magically turn that corner to something the country needs.

Trump is racist. Is that something the country needs? Trump has been in bankruptcy more times that we can count on one hand. Is that what the country needs? Dude couldn't beat the S&P over the past 40 years with a million dollar head start from his dad. Trump leaves a trail of unpaid bills and lawsuits littered throughout. Is that what the company needs?

you should have seen how much trump loved Darryl and Rodman. Maybe he just thought that they are not like the rest of them.

How do we know he is racist? Insane maybe, but racist? Could be I just missed some racist things that he has done or said during his campaign.

I would be petrified if trump was elected because he is an unpredictable screwball. I would be petrified if hillary became president because I believe that she may really hurt israel. Oh and of course everything that will come out of her mouth will be mostly twisted bull sh1t.

I wish we had another candidate. I would love to switch this up and have Ivanka run against Chelsea. I am sure that they can get both parents / candidates to agree. They both know that these children would be miles better than them in every way.

What do you think of the whole Birther thing? a) Racist b) Zero respect for the highest office in our land c) Complete idiocy d) All of the above

The US born Federal Judge that Trump says has a bias because he is of Mexican heritage?

Attacked Muslim Gold Star parents?

The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people?

He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him?

He encouraged the mob justice that resulted in the wrongful imprisonment of the Central Park Five?

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Since Kelly Conway and Ivanka took over behind the scenes Trump has been another candidate. It shows flexibility it shows he will work with others as a team. He went to Flint Michigan today to promise that he'd bring back jobs help make sure that the water systems were done quicker and more efficiently. I have heard nothing from Hillary on 6 months-- that's what this post is about. She's MIA a proven poor leader and a big time bser

Trump has been a concerned public servant for all of 2 minutes! Hillary started as a young woman fresh out of College and has been working for people ever since. Stop talking nonsense and look up her actual record and compare it to Trump who was galavanting around when my Dad was in Vietnam. Please don't try and make this guy out to be some high principled man.

I believe Trump would make sure the water there is fixed. That is one major plus with Trump he's a builder and he does things right. Our country needs that. Hillary is a sickly rehashed has been

Name 1 public service good that Trump has done in the last 50 years that would make you believe that he would magically turn that corner to something the country needs.

Trump is racist. Is that something the country needs? Trump has been in bankruptcy more times that we can count on one hand. Is that what the country needs? Dude couldn't beat the S&P over the past 40 years with a million dollar head start from his dad. Trump leaves a trail of unpaid bills and lawsuits littered throughout. Is that what the company needs?

you should have seen how much trump loved Darryl and Rodman. Maybe he just thought that they are not like the rest of them.

How do we know he is racist? Insane maybe, but racist? Could be I just missed some racist things that he has done or said during his campaign.

I would be petrified if trump was elected because he is an unpredictable screwball. I would be petrified if hillary became president because I believe that she may really hurt israel. Oh and of course everything that will come out of her mouth will be mostly twisted bull sh1t.

I wish we had another candidate. I would love to switch this up and have Ivanka run against Chelsea. I am sure that they can get both parents / candidates to agree. They both know that these children would be miles better than them in every way.

What do you think of the whole Birther thing? a) Racist b) Zero respect for the highest office in our land c) Complete idiocy d) All of the above

The US born Federal Judge that Trump says has a bias because he is of Mexican heritage?

Attacked Muslim Gold Star parents?

The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people?

He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him?

He encouraged the mob justice that resulted in the wrongful imprisonment of the Central Park Five?

I think he says and does dumb things but I don't see him as a racist.

Not condemning the white supremacists seems awful but unfortunately without them, he may not have a chance. Tough choice (and a weird one)

Birther was just a play for attention to get his name out there, and it worked.

Everyone who rents that many units over many years will get sued by many different types with racists claims. Honestly, I can believe its only 2 and not 100.

He is picking on Mexicans now because he is a bully and Mexico is a big part of his campaign.

He probably sees all muslims as terrorists because he is dumb and being a muslim in america now ain't no picnic at it does not help that Islam is viewed as being a religion of hate and violence.

There is also a slippery slope between real racism and trained fear and bigotry.

I think that every is trying to use the african american community. The liberals say that trump is a racist and has no respect for blacks and they buy this of course and are scared away from going near the trump vote. Great, everyone treats african americans like dummys and use them like rag dolls.

I don't think Trump hates black people at all. And I don't think he hates jews either. I think he probably hates muslims because to him they are all ISIS.

Again, Hillary scares me because I think she will be heavily anti israel.

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Since Kelly Conway and Ivanka took over behind the scenes Trump has been another candidate. It shows flexibility it shows he will work with others as a team. He went to Flint Michigan today to promise that he'd bring back jobs help make sure that the water systems were done quicker and more efficiently. I have heard nothing from Hillary on 6 months-- that's what this post is about. She's MIA a proven poor leader and a big time bser

Trump has been a concerned public servant for all of 2 minutes! Hillary started as a young woman fresh out of College and has been working for people ever since. Stop talking nonsense and look up her actual record and compare it to Trump who was galavanting around when my Dad was in Vietnam. Please don't try and make this guy out to be some high principled man.

I believe Trump would make sure the water there is fixed. That is one major plus with Trump he's a builder and he does things right. Our country needs that. Hillary is a sickly rehashed has been

Name 1 public service good that Trump has done in the last 50 years that would make you believe that he would magically turn that corner to something the country needs.

Trump is racist. Is that something the country needs? Trump has been in bankruptcy more times that we can count on one hand. Is that what the country needs? Dude couldn't beat the S&P over the past 40 years with a million dollar head start from his dad. Trump leaves a trail of unpaid bills and lawsuits littered throughout. Is that what the company needs?

you should have seen how much trump loved Darryl and Rodman. Maybe he just thought that they are not like the rest of them.

How do we know he is racist? Insane maybe, but racist? Could be I just missed some racist things that he has done or said during his campaign.

I would be petrified if trump was elected because he is an unpredictable screwball. I would be petrified if hillary became president because I believe that she may really hurt israel. Oh and of course everything that will come out of her mouth will be mostly twisted bull sh1t.

I wish we had another candidate. I would love to switch this up and have Ivanka run against Chelsea. I am sure that they can get both parents / candidates to agree. They both know that these children would be miles better than them in every way.

What do you think of the whole Birther thing? a) Racist b) Zero respect for the highest office in our land c) Complete idiocy d) All of the above

The US born Federal Judge that Trump says has a bias because he is of Mexican heritage?

Attacked Muslim Gold Star parents?

The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people?

He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him?

He encouraged the mob justice that resulted in the wrongful imprisonment of the Central Park Five?

I think he says and does dumb things but I don't see him as a racist.

Not condemning the white supremacists seems awful but unfortunately without them, he may not have a chance. Tough choice (and a weird one)

Birther was just a play for attention to get his name out there, and it worked.

Everyone who rents that many units over many years will get sued by many different types with racists claims. Honestly, I can believe its only 2 and not 100.

He is picking on Mexicans now because he is a bully and Mexico is a big part of his campaign.

He probably sees all muslims as terrorists because he is dumb and being a muslim in america now ain't no picnic at it does not help that Islam is viewed as being a religion of hate and violence.

There is also a slippery slope between real racism and trained fear and bigotry.

I think that every is trying to use the african american community. The liberals say that trump is a racist and has no respect for blacks and they buy this of course and are scared away from going near the trump vote. Great, everyone treats african americans like dummys and use them like rag dolls.

I don't think Trump hates black people at all. And I don't think he hates jews either. I think he probably hates muslims because to him they are all ISIS.

Again, Hillary scares me because I think she will be heavily anti israel.

Interesting...So Hillary Clinton hasn't said not one thing negative against Jews, or the state of Israel but yet you think she is anti-Israel..Trump, time and again has commented negatively against many races, ethnic groups, nationalities and religions to boot and you classify them as just dumb comments not racist...You can't be taken seriously...

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

martin wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

martin wrote:

Welpee wrote:

martin wrote:I think the scrutiny of Trump is about to avalanche.

Last night his spokeswoman was asked on CNN about the IRS investigation into his taxes, the IRS audit. She was asked if Trump would provide the documentation that he indeed is being audited. The IRS always provides a statement of confirmation that you are being audited, I hope the media forces him to produce this documentation (the IRS cannot otherwise confirm/deny an audit, they only send out the paperwork). This will be another tip of the iceberg.

I saw that. Her response to being asked about the audit letter was "excuse me?" Then she tried to pivot and asked the reporter if she was accusing Trump of being a liar.

Interesting, right? Her expression was classic. I think the **** is about to hit the fan

I hope he has paid everything according to the law. But seriously, why is this such a big deal when Clinton has clearly broken the law?

I mean clinton cost the lives of thousands in Libya, against the advice of higher military commanders, the whole Bengazzi thing, etc.
This is like comparing apples to bombs.

Because that isn't the cause, it's your bad assumption based on bad information.

I don't understand what you mean. What isn't the cause?
What bad assumption did I make? That Hillary broke the law? That much is clear, why she is not being prosecuted is a mystery.

My point is we are talking about Donald Trumps taxes like that is some huge crime. Let's see the returns, what is the big? Wait and see.
Clinton is responsible for the deaths of thousands. Really, she clearly went against the expertise of SENIOR military people and we are doing nothing about that.
There should be a discussion on the news and for the most part it is just jumped over.

We can't talk about Trump and Hillary in the same vain. I don't deny he might have shady Business dealings, but do we really want the President of the United States
to be a person who goes against military advice? Who has already cost lives and who has really helped the middle east to be a worse place?

And we are talking about Trumps taxes? This is just mind boggling.
Hillary looks like she might fall over for good any day soon. The pneumonia story is probably a load of B.S. She has been coughing for months. She has looked
repeatedly like she has some form of neurological disease and those who support her won't talk about it. This should be just as important to supporters.
Something is wrong with her health and it is not just a pneumonia.

Where are you getting this crap from???..Truly amazing..Where is she responsible for thousands of deaths???When and Where??..What experts and senior military leaders did she go against??...The Secretary of State can't order an attack...Please provide color and links to facts...

And again, show where she committed a crime, I proved a few pages ago that she committed no crime with facts and laws on the books and a Supreme Court opinion as precedence, with no response from you...Please prove your case if you disagree...

Also, the reason why you want a look at Trump's taxes is to see his ties overseas...To see if and how much ties he has to Russia..He sure is doing massive contortions to kiss Putin's arse...To see how much money he has taken from his foundation and claim it as his own gifts on his taxes...This can be a crime...He paid a fine for his misdeeds already to the IRS..The Attorney General of New York is now investigating...Just like it's important to see the Clinton Foundation ties to world leaders, and we already have seen this, it is important to see Trump's business ties to banks and leaders around the globe...

I wonder why you would refer to facts as "crap". A simple search would have found you this:
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/3/3/the_libya_gamble_inside_hillary_clinton (And then you can check the expose referred to in the article if you want more information.)

I hope they do look into Trump's taxes for any shady dealings. For real. Once again, it is not that I support Trump, rather I'm afraid of what is going to happen with a Hillary presidency.

The bigger question is, how could you not know/care about Hillary and Libya? About her failing health? The Wikileaks emails?

This is completely idiotic...You are directing to websites that are just out there and makes no sense and has zero correlation to facts...nothing credible...Here is what happen in Libya according to Wiki...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

Chronology

21 February 2011: Libyan deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Ibrahim Dabbashi called "on the UN to impose a no-fly zone on all Tripoli to cut off all supplies of arms and mercenaries to the regime."[39]
23 February 2011: French President Nicolas Sarkozy pushed for the European Union (EU) to pass sanctions against Gaddafi (freezing Gaddafi family funds abroad) and demand he stop attacks against civilians.
25 February 2011: Sarkozy said Gaddafi "must go."[54]
26 February 2011: United Nations Security Council Resolution 1970 was passed unanimously, referring the Libyan government to the International Criminal Court for gross human rights violations. It imposed an arms embargo on the country and a travel ban and assets freeze on the family of Muammar Al-Qadhafi and certain Government officials.[55]
28 February 2011: British Prime Minister David Cameron proposed the idea of a no-fly zone to prevent Gaddafi from "airlifting mercenaries" and "using his military aeroplanes and armoured helicopters against civilians."[44]
1 March 2011: The US Senate unanimously passed non-binding Senate resolution S.RES.85 urging the United Nations Security Council to impose a Libyan no-fly zone and encouraging Gaddafi to step down. The US had naval forces positioned off the coast of Libya, as well as forces already in the region, including the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise.[56]
2 March 2011: The Governor General of Canada-in-Council authorised, on the advice of Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper, the deployment of the Royal Canadian Navy frigate HMCS Charlottetown to the Mediterranean, off the coast of Libya.[57] Canadian National Defence Minister Peter MacKay stated that "[w]e are there for all inevitabilities. And NATO is looking at this as well ... This is taken as a precautionary and staged measure."[56]
7 March 2011: US Ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder announced that NATO decided to step up surveillance missions of E-3 AWACS aircraft to twenty-four hours a day. On the same day, it was reported that an anonymous UN diplomat confirmed to Agence France Presse that France and Britain were drawing up a resolution on the no-fly zone that would be considered by the UN Security Council during the same week.[43] The Gulf Cooperation Council also on that day called upon the UN Security Council to "take all necessary measures to protect civilians, including enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya."
9 March 2011: The head of the Libyan National Transitional Council, Mustafa Abdul Jalil, "pleaded for the international community to move quickly to impose a no-fly zone over Libya, declaring that any delay would result in more casualties."[40] Three days later, he stated that if pro-Gaddafi forces reached Benghazi, then they would kill "half a million" people. He stated, "If there is no no-fly zone imposed on Gaddafi's regime, and his ships are not checked, we will have a catastrophe in Libya."[41]
10 March 2011: France recognized the Libyan NTC as the legitimate government of Libya soon after Sarkozy met with them in Paris. This meeting was arranged by Bernard-Henri Lévy.[58]
11 March 2011: Cameron joined forces with Sarkozy after Sarkozy demanded immediate action from international community for a no-fly zone against air attacks by Gaddafi.[59]
12 March 2011: The Arab League "called on the United Nations Security Council to impose a no-fly zone over Libya in a bid to protect civilians from air attack."[48][49][50][60] The Arab League's request was announced by Omani Foreign Minister Yusuf bin Alawi bin Abdullah, who stated that all member states present at the meeting agreed with the proposal.[48] On 12 March, thousands of Libyan women marched in the streets of the rebel-held town of Benghazi, calling for the imposition of a no-fly zone over Libya.[42]
14 March 2011: In Paris at the Élysée Palace, before the summit with the G8 Minister for Foreign Affairs, Sarkozy, who is also the president of the G8, along with French Foreign Minister Alain Juppé met with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and pressed her to push for intervention in Libya.[61]

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VOA News report on the United States joining Lebanon, France and United Kingdom to support the no-fly zone.

15 March 2011: A resolution for a no-fly zone was proposed by Nawaf Salam, Lebanon's Ambassador to the UN. The resolution was immediately backed by France and the United Kingdom.[62]
17 March 2011: The UN Security Council, acting under the authority of Chapter VII of the UN Charter, approved a no-fly zone by a vote of ten in favour, zero against, and five abstentions, via United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. The five abstentions were: Brazil, Russia, India, China, and Germany.[51][52][53][63][64] Less than twenty-four hours later, Libya announced that it would halt all military operations in response to the UN Security Council resolution.[65][66]

Libyan anti-government rebels, 1 March 2011

18 March 2011: The Libyan foreign minister, Moussa Koussa, said that he had declared a ceasefire, attributing the UN resolution.[67] However, artillery shelling on Misrata and Ajdabiya continued, and government soldiers continued approaching Benghazi.[19][68] Government troops and tanks entered the city on 19 March.[69] Artillery and mortars were also fired into the city.[70] US President Barack Obama held a meeting with eighteen senior lawmakers at the White House on the afternoon of 18 March[71]
19 March 2011: French[72] forces began the military intervention in Libya, later joined by coalition forces with strikes against armoured units south of Benghazi and attacks on Libyan air-defence systems, as UN Security Council Resolution 1973 called for using "all necessary means" to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas from attack, imposed a no-fly zone, and called for an immediate and with-standing cease-fire, while also strengthening travel bans on members of the regime, arms embargoes, and asset freezes.[18]
21 March 2011: Obama sent a letter to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate.[73]
24 March 2011: In telephone negotiations, French foreign minister Alain Juppé agreed to let NATO take over all military operations on 29 March at the latest, allowing Turkey to veto strikes on Gaddafi ground forces from that point forward.[74] Later reports stated that NATO would take over enforcement of the no-fly zone and the arms embargo, but discussions were still under way about whether NATO would take over the protection of civilians mission. Turkey reportedly wanted the power to veto airstrikes, while France wanted to prevent Turkey from having such a veto.[75][76]

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US President Barack Obama addressing the people of the United States about the US intervention in Libya

25 March 2011: NATO Allied Joint Force Command in Naples took command of the no-fly zone over Libya and combined it with the ongoing arms embargo operation under the name Operation Unified Protector.[77]
28 March 2011: Obama addressed the American people on Libya.[78]

martin wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

martin wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

martin wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

martin wrote:so Newsweek is stepping up. Haven't read the articles but they should be interesting.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-national-security-498081.html

Both articles are troubling. Missing emails that were requested for an investigation should be turned over. IF not, there should be prosecution.

Trump's interests are also deep and involved. If you are concerned about them as you should be, is there an equal concern about the Clinton Foundation and the possible ramifications that could have on HRC winning?

I will say it again. We, the People have allowed this to occur. We nominate and elect these crooks. Politician should not be a career choice. IT was never meant to be.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

There is absolutely concern. There have been investigations looking into those concerns and yet nothing has really popped.

There should be concerns with SuperPACs THAT INVOLVE EVERY SINGLE HIGH LEVEL politician. SuperPACs, as far as I can tell, are exactly the same type of vehicle as a charity except for the exact purpose a charity described above should NOT be doing.... funneling money to a government official for bought influence. Those are vehicles for companies AND foreign nationals via companies to buy influence.

We have companies that donate to politicians, politicians turn around and ASK those donors to literally write laws/legislation for them. We understand this, right? The oil companies donate directly to Senate and Congress members or via SuperPACs and then literally write legislation for those Senate and Congressional members. We have this base line understanding right? That is direct pay for play that happens all the time, commonly accepted pay for play. No outrage. Climate deniers, NRA members. Those are paid for.

BUT, Clinton is associated with a charity that we have found no wrongdoing and.... and what?

Not sure about that, but we will see.

I can't argue with the rest that you have written. Only it is both sides of every argument out there that is dirtying the waters. Nothing is sacred. How we get the genie back in the bottle, I don't know but until it happens, this is why we get HRC vs DJT

GoNyGoNyGo, this is VERY easy. If you are not sure the Clinton Foundation has done no wrongdoing, then produce something that justifies your concern. CF has been around for a very long time and has been investigated and looked at. Show us something that meets YOUR level of concern.

"2 weeks ago, emails were leaked e-mails began dribbling out showing foundation officials contacting State Department counterparts to ask favors for foundation “friends.” Say, a meeting with the State Department’s “substance person” on Lebanon for one particularly generous Lebanese-Nigerian billionaire. Big deal, said the Clinton defenders. Low-level stuff. No involvement of the secretary herself. Until — drip, drip — the next batch revealed foundation requests for face time with the secretary herself. Such as one from the crown prince of Bahrain. To be sure, Bahrain, home of the Fifth Fleet, is an important Persian Gulf ally. Its crown prince shouldn’t have to go through a foundation — to which his government donated at least $50,000 — to get to the secretary. The fact that he did is telling. A further drip: The Associated Press found that over half the private interests who were granted phone or personal contact with Secretary Clinton — 85 of 154 — were donors to the foundation. Total contributions? As much as $156 million. Current Clinton response? There was no quid pro quo."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439376/hillary-clinton-corruption-clinton-foundation-email-scandals-are-connected
another source...i know you wont like them but they are the first ones that came up...

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/273930-documents-show-coordination-between-state-clinton

Know your sources. The first link was written by Charles Krauthammer, that should stop you dead in your tracks from reading the article further.

Why? Are his facts wrong. Dispute the facts not the messenger. Can I then question the Newsweek sources as being equally biased the other way?