dk7th

if you are right (not really), then where were the head and ball fakes, the step backs, the dishing the ball off underneath, the 10-15 trips to the line, the getting hibbert in foul trouble?

melo has tunnelvision and is lacking in imagination, guile, savvy, versatility. the coach is a knucklehead for not teaching him how to play the right way. and if it isn't the coach then guess what the guy is uncoachable. where was the adjustment, the adaptability, the cohesion, the resilience?

nowhere.

let me guess: his supporting cast didn't step up.

With the bold part I am in agreement with you, that wasn't the topic at hand though. Melo also should have gotten more foul calls then he did, but I won't use that since the refs let both sides play with contact.

43%FG and 51%TS is clamps... big time. his regular season numbers were crap to begin with. but those playoff numbers are straight up putrid. his usage relative to the assist rate while he was on the floor was also... putrid.

what does it matter whether hibbert was involved?!?

Melo shot 41% (19/46) from near the rim(Hibbert territory) and 44% from the perimeter(George territory). 44% from the perimeter is better then what Melo, Lebron, and Durant had during the season. Speaking of which, Durant shot 41% from the perimeter in the playoffs and Lebron shot 39% from the perimeter in the playoffs. If anyone put the clamps down on Melo it was Hibbert. Finishing near the rim is the difference between high fg%s or not. Melo had 2 games during the series when he shot 50%(6/11 55% near the rim) and 52% (6/9 67% near the rim).

So like I was saying. George didn't put the clamps down on anything. Take Hibbert out the paint and he is in trouble.

Edit: I was mistaken Durant had a 45.7% perimeter shooting% for the season, I was thinking of his midrange.

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Our #1 offensive play is the PNR with Felton & Chandler. Chandler connects at 64.75% and Felton connects at 52% or Pablo at 59.65%. As well as the kick outs that lead to ball swings and open 3s.

Bargs impact will be that he will allow Melo to matchup mostly against SFs instead of PFs. So If the PNR is defended well when we go to Melo in the post or iso as the 2nd option Melo will be able to for the most part have easier matchups. There aren't many SFs that can guard Melo in the post. Example last playoffs Boston wouldn't have been able to put Bass on Melo with Barg's in the lineup.

An Artest, Melo, Bargs lineup with Melo running the PNR with Bargs would be very hard to stop as well and would be very good for spurts of a game depending on if they are getting killed on the glass or defensively. Either the paint would be wide open for Melo or Melo can pad some ast on the pop.

Bargs also takes away the dependence on JR Smith to be a playmaker. Instead we could run PNP/PNR with Bargs and Smith can do what he does best which is spot up shooting. Felton/Bargs PNP just like Melo example before gives Felton more opportunities to attack the paint if the big commits to Bargs. Felton doesn't have to worry about the crowded paint as much.

We have more OPTIONS! That's what seems to be lost on those who don't like the move. It's not about AB being an All Star. It's about how this team will be able to be more effective on offense in playoff situations. We really saw how limited the offense was in the playoffs. Kidd was done. JR was done. Felton faded. Melo had too much on his shoulders again. This team should have more help this time to avoid that happening again. AB helps to add another dimension to the offense along with Beno who has more left in the tank than Kidd did.

AB will also add another dimension on defense too.. A hole... that is also being lost here.. the knicks were not limited because of the ineffectiveness of other players, the knicks were limited because of the way one main player plays... you can plug in this player and that player, but it all comes down to one thing.... who will tie carmelo's hands behind his back so he won't force up 35 shots.. and don't tell me that woodson will redirect the ball from carmelo to bargnani and beno to run pick and roll....

Bargs impact will be that he will allow Melo to matchup mostly against SFs instead of PFs.

you do realize that paul george is a SF right? how is that an advantage for carmelo?

I was clearly talking about in the post which the rest of the paragraph clarified. So I am wondering why you choose to take this one sentence and make this comment?

Regardless George can't guard Anthony. The only thing that stops Anthony from killing George is Hibbert. When Hibbert was out of the game George and West got abused. If Bargs pulls Hibbert out of the paint George is in trouble.

WELL THE article I posted clearly shows that he not only can, but has.. he put the clamps on carmelo in the playoffs... made him look bad at times...

that is a fact.

george had a bit more trouble with lebron james but still did a pretty good job.

wish the knicks had gone out and tried to find more defenders and guys who are willing to box out this offseason.

that actually would have made sense.. but instead knick fans are spin doctoring trading for a "stretch 4", or whatever he is....

You may be 100% correct and Bargs may end up sucking. Only time will tell, but I don't see any harm in Nix or others looking at ways Bargs could help the team rather then just claiming he is soft and he sucks.

While Shumpert may be the youngest returning player, he also may be the toughest player on the roster, a hard-nosed force that the team needs more than the scoring ability of Andrea Bargnani or explosiveness of J.R. Smith. The Knicks likely will attempt to start the season the way they finished it, with Pablo Prigioni joining Felton in the backcourt and Anthony staying at power forward, where he flourished last season. - Steve Popper

If defense wins championships, and your cause du jour is to play the best guards who can bring the skill set to take the next step in the playoffs, please..., riddle me this dk7th, why is there no campaign backing Shumpert as an essential backcourt ingredient?

Shumpert is the team’s best perimeter defender, a player who almost singlehandedly blew up the Boston Celtics in the postseason by making even crossing halfcourt a chore the Celtics weren’t up to. If the Knicks hope to catch the Heat or keep up with the Nets, Pacers and Bulls, they need the toughness, intensity and defense Shumpert can provide.

Just curious

nixluva wrote:misterearl, Shump is going to be a huge factor this year IMO. I think he's at that stage in his career where he can finally put it all together. He's already a great defender and in the playoffs he really showed that he was all the way back from his knee injury. The thing is we have a very good set of guards. Felton, Shump, JR, THJ, Prigs and Beno are all really good in their own ways. I think this is one of the best groups of guards we've had in a while. That's going to help everyone else to be more effective. We've got plenty of defense, offense, athleticism, savvy and experience. This is one of the deepest set of guards this team has ever had.

I think the group of guards is less talented relative to other teams than you, but I do agree that this is the best bunch in quite some time. If THJ can be consistent with his shot and Shump progresses, the guards are at least as good as the average squad and maybe even stronger than some teams. Every other year they needed a miracle from an unproven player. Not this year

He will become the NEW Danilo Gallanari of the Forum

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:misterearl, Shump is going to be a huge factor this year IMO. I think he's at that stage in his career where he can finally put it all together. He's already a great defender and in the playoffs he really showed that he was all the way back from his knee injury. The thing is we have a very good set of guards. Felton, Shump, JR, THJ, Prigs and Beno are all really good in their own ways. I think this is one of the best groups of guards we've had in a while. That's going to help everyone else to be more effective. We've got plenty of defense, offense, athleticism, savvy and experience. This is one of the deepest set of guards this team has ever had.

I think the group of guards is less talented relative to other teams than you, but I do agree that this is the best bunch in quite some time. If THJ can be consistent with his shot and Shump progresses, the guards are at least as good as the average squad and maybe even stronger than some teams. Every other year they needed a miracle from an unproven player. Not this year

I actually never said anything about the Knicks guards in relation to other teams. My point is that we have an improved guard contingent this year. One of the things that I stressed is the range of talents we have. Felton is a solid scoring guard with a good PnR game, JR was the 6th man of the year, Shump is a top defensive player, THJ has very good catch and shoot skills, Prigs is a very crafty vet that knows how to get his players good shots, Beno has a very high level PnP game and good court vision. It's a very strong group of guards. I haven't really spent any time trying to compare them with other teams, but I think they'd stack up well with most teams. We just don't have a superstar at any guard spot, but they're all very skilled and should be capable of playing at a high level. No more scrubs at guard. We've always had at least one guard that wasn't up to par. Not this year. This year everyone can play and contribute.

Have no fear, Chris Smith is coming to the rescue!

Please God NO!!! I hope to never see this guy in a Knicks uniform. He's just not any good. I saw nothing from him in SL. Nothing that says he belongs in the NBA. Besides i'd rather see Murry get a shot before Chris Smith. We don't need another guard per se, but if we did i'd rather it be Murry who can guard, pass, shoot and drive effectively. He's not great but has more upside than C. Smith. I think the Knicks will sign a C for the 15th spot anyway.

playa2 wrote:When Baragani blows up this fall all the naysayers will be ridding his jock into the sunset.

He will become the NEW Danilo Gallanari of the Forum

So he'll be loved by 5% of the board, irrelevant to 90%, and ridiculed to 5%?!

El Mago!!!!!!!

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

playa2 wrote:When Baragani blows up this fall all the naysayers will be ridding his jock into the sunset.

He will become the NEW Danilo Gallanari of the Forum

So he'll be loved by 5% of the board, irrelevant to 90%, and ridiculed to 5%?!

And then he'll promptly be traded to the west conf along with Shump and any other yoot and all remaining 1st round draft picks until 2075.

For Al Jefferson.

The new "Trade".

NAH, Danillo was loved by the majority of us. Its when they get traded and guys don't want to let them go...then there will be a hundred threads blaming Melo IF Bargs fails. Also regarding the Al Jefferson post...GRunny is no IT