GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:“Groupthink” here - that’s funny

Says the poster who cant handle even the slightest criticism of Randle. Thats been the bulk of your time here, calling out other posters with your Randle freakouts.

YOu accused me of the same two weeks ago!
Might occur that your skin is not as thick as you think it might be?

FFS Nalod, you've been doing it for 20 plus years. Too soon??

Two weeks ago bro. YOu got all sensitive. Too soon you at it again?

I understand Nalod, most of the posters you incessantly call out dont respond. Im sure you like it that way. Not used to someone throwing it right back at you. Thats "sensitivity".

This recent go-round started when I said that I would rather hear dissenting views, than posters coming back with nothing other than that poster's motivation for not liking an aspect of said player's game. Trying to enforce a kind of groupthink. Discouraging opposing views by making it all about the poster.

Some of the same cast of characters chime in, to what disagree? I was sticking up for another poster, and you found a way to make it all about you bro. Hence the problem.

Not sure I really understand where your coming from or where your going. Seems you find new folks to get chaffed over then start telling that person what kind of poster they are.

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:“Groupthink” here - that’s funny

Says the poster who cant handle even the slightest criticism of Randle. Thats been the bulk of your time here, calling out other posters with your Randle freakouts.

YOu accused me of the same two weeks ago!
Might occur that your skin is not as thick as you think it might be?

FFS Nalod, you've been doing it for 20 plus years. Too soon??

Two weeks ago bro. YOu got all sensitive. Too soon you at it again?

I understand Nalod, most of the posters you incessantly call out dont respond. Im sure you like it that way. Not used to someone throwing it right back at you. Thats "sensitivity".

This recent go-round started when I said that I would rather hear dissenting views, than posters coming back with nothing other than that poster's motivation for not liking an aspect of said player's game. Trying to enforce a kind of groupthink. Discouraging opposing views by making it all about the poster.

Some of the same cast of characters chime in, to what disagree? I was sticking up for another poster, and you found a way to make it all about you bro. Hence the problem.

Not sure I really understand where your coming from or where your going. Seems you find new folks to get chaffed over then start telling that person what kind of poster they are.

And some dont like hearing the same.

If I have to distill my point down to a few words. It would be, that if you disagree with someone's opinion. Point your "gun" at their argument, not the poster. You're like freaking Dick Cheney.

GustavBahler wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Most posters liked the player, not the deal. RJ and IQ was a high price, we gave up a lot of production.

But as I pointed out early on, it doesnt matter if the cost for OG was 2 good, young, players, and no picks. And the deal for another star is mostly about 1st rounders and some cap relief. Its the end result that matters, what the roster looks like after its been largely assembled, not how we got there.

I'd rather read a hot take from MS (or anyone else) than nothing but a lot of boring ass groupthink.

When a poster who is generally posts pessimistic/negative stuff .... proceeds to post pessimistic/negative stuff about a trade, is it really a hot take?

Also - just curious why you post here if you think this place is just a lot of boring ass groupthink?

Sometimes there is too much groupthink. Not always. Also curious as to why you dont talk hoops? This meta stuff is the only time I hear from you. That is boring as hell.

I do talk hoops, just not with you. Admittedly though its mostly my fault since I seem to have major issues with thin skinned people who whine and complain incessantly.

You like posters who dont stick up for themselves. You dont mind those who spend most of their time insulting other posters. Or you're too timid to say anything.

You throw out the insults when other posters have already chimed in. Please, you have no skin buddy.

While most of us love this site, you seem to have run ins with everyone including the site owner, complain all the time and talk about how boring the discussion points are. When your point is challenged you cry foul. Perhaps its a YOU problem and not a WE problem?

Ps....I'm not your buddy.

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gradyandrew wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Most posters liked the player, not the deal. RJ and IQ was a high price, we gave up a lot of production.

But as I pointed out early on, it doesnt matter if the cost for OG was 2 good, young, players, and no picks. And the deal for another star is mostly about 1st rounders and some cap relief. Its the end result that matters, what the roster looks like after its been largely assembled, not how we got there.

I'd rather read a hot take from MS (or anyone else) than nothing but a lot of boring ass groupthink.

I think the key point is just to ignore what other people say and stay firmly committed to your views. Since before the season started I have been saying that the key for this team to improve is to get rid of RJ. In the post just previous I restated the point, yet you still consider RJ as part of the "high price" rather than realizing that including RJ vs EF's salary is likely the reason we had to give up a third mid level draft pick we don't have a roster spot for in a weak draft.

Not sure about "groupthink" comment. This site exists because it's a lot of independent thinkers taking time to develop arguments about the team they love rather than a single journalist and a bunch of comments.

Gus…just reading your post and for what it’s worth, I agree.

I rather have a forum where it’s open to talk without the bashers simply waiting in the weeds to lash. Have a backbone and invite diversity of thought. It’s ok if fans don’t agree. MS made a good point at the time. Nobody knew OG would have this kind of impact. I knew IQ was ready to be a starter and RJ would excel without Randle next to him.

I still don’t like Randle, but I understand he’s the best we can get right now regarding his contract value and wanting to play in NY for Thibs. You rarely find players like that. Now RJ is gone, Randle looks better. Same negative body language sometimes and that EF type defense in the paint, especially when he’s guarding the rim. But if that’s my only complaint, then that’s a good thing. He’s still a 20 and 10 guy who can carry a team on offense. OG can carry a team on defense. They compliment each other well.

Chemistry is better than individual talent. That’s what we are seeing right now. I’m not sure I want to mess with this starting unit. W e can’t assume DDV will be the same player off the bench. Leons next move will be very interesting. It’s like adding a new ingredient to a dish that already taste great. It might taste better or it might taste worst. Tread lightly Léon. Don’t mess this up.

GustavBahler wrote:
And some dont like hearing the same.

If I have to distill my point down to a few words. It would be, that if you disagree with someone's opinion. Point your "gun" at their argument, not the poster. You're like freaking Dick Cheney.

I didn't like your argument that we paid a high price for OG not your argument about groupthink.

The way I see it:

Detroit 2nd round pick (which if I'm being honest, I wasn't aware we even had) to get out of RJ's contract

IQ for OG and Achiuwa (Knicks needed a big after MRob went down and Sims wasn't impressive)

Also, don't forget- IQ wanted that starters salary and wasn't planning on?coming back. Seems like Knicks gave up - half of year of IQ, a net negative starter in RJ with an onerous contract, and a draft pick we couldn't use.

blkexec wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Most posters liked the player, not the deal. RJ and IQ was a high price, we gave up a lot of production.

But as I pointed out early on, it doesnt matter if the cost for OG was 2 good, young, players, and no picks. And the deal for another star is mostly about 1st rounders and some cap relief. Its the end result that matters, what the roster looks like after its been largely assembled, not how we got there.

I'd rather read a hot take from MS (or anyone else) than nothing but a lot of boring ass groupthink.

I think the key point is just to ignore what other people say and stay firmly committed to your views. Since before the season started I have been saying that the key for this team to improve is to get rid of RJ. In the post just previous I restated the point, yet you still consider RJ as part of the "high price" rather than realizing that including RJ vs EF's salary is likely the reason we had to give up a third mid level draft pick we don't have a roster spot for in a weak draft.

Not sure about "groupthink" comment. This site exists because it's a lot of independent thinkers taking time to develop arguments about the team they love rather than a single journalist and a bunch of comments.

Gus…just reading your post and for what it’s worth, I agree.

I rather have a forum where it’s open to talk without the bashers simply waiting in the weeds to lash. Have a backbone and invite diversity of thought. It’s ok if fans don’t agree. MS made a good point at the time. Nobody knew OG would have this kind of impact. I knew IQ was ready to be a starter and RJ would excel without Randle next to him.

I still don’t like Randle, but I understand he’s the best we can get right now regarding his contract value and wanting to play in NY for Thibs. You rarely find players like that. Now RJ is gone, Randle looks better. Same negative body language sometimes and that EF type defense in the paint, especially when he’s guarding the rim. But if that’s my only complaint, then that’s a good thing. He’s still a 20 and 10 guy who can carry a team on offense. OG can carry a team on defense. They compliment each other well.

Chemistry is better than individual talent. That’s what we are seeing right now. I’m not sure I want to mess with this starting unit. W e can’t assume DDV will be the same player off the bench. Leons next move will be very interesting. It’s like adding a new ingredient to a dish that already taste great. It might taste better or it might taste worst. Tread lightly Léon. Don’t mess this up.

Thanks blkexec. Its weeks after the trade, and they still wont give it a rest. We're all Knicks fans here.

Agree about chemistry. Why I didnt want to upgrade from DDV, unless its Booker.

Nothing wrong with riding MS a little for his hot take. But he's a long time poster, and his biggest mistake wasnt insulting other posters who dont agree with him.

Part of the problem is the human flaw. And the internet just enhances it. Internet thugs who developed a hard core personality behind the keyboard. Just like in real life, if someone it getting beat up, and there’s an opportunity to step on them when nobody is looking, cowards will do that. Not saying everyone because this site has more positives than negatives.

In general fans, speak your minds about the team, even if it sounds crazy. Briggs was great at doing this and it created a nice buzz. I miss that dude. I was on him when I first came on, then I realized we need more of Briggs not less. Free thinkers. Regardless if I agree or disagree with the person or topic.

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ALso good post Foosball

Speaking for myself, and probably others, we all like critical thinking and original thinking. I hsve learned a lot on this board from it.

But calling it groupthink when people agree is dumb. It’s often used as a pejorative to insinuate the person isn’t thinking for themselves. That of course can happen but i wouldn’t call this forum as the place where that generally occurs

An opinion being original doesn’t mean it’s wise or good. There are plenty of dumb ones

Likewise the fact that a lot of people agree on something doesn’t make it dumb because it’s “unoriginal”. Consent as a cornerstone of morality is old, unoriginal and I’d say wise. One can question that — and think of themselves as provocateur geniuses — but I’ll still probably think of them as immature dumbasses

I also find it laughable and a little narcissistic (or a lot) when people go around trying to defend themselves saying all they’re being is original….

Chandler wrote:^^. Good post Ewing

ALso good post Foosball

Speaking for myself, and probably others, we all like critical thinking and original thinking. I hsve learned a lot on this board from it.

But calling it groupthink when people agree is dumb. It’s often used as a pejorative to insinuate the person isn’t thinking for themselves. That of course can happen but i wouldn’t call this forum as the place where that generally occurs

An opinion being original doesn’t mean it’s wise or good. There are plenty of dumb ones

Likewise the fact that a lot of people agree on something doesn’t make it dumb because it’s “unoriginal”. Consent as a cornerstone of morality is old, unoriginal and I’d say wise. One can question that — and think of themselves as provocateur geniuses — but I’ll still probably think of them as immature dumbasses

I also find it laughable and a little narcissistic (or a lot) when people go around trying to defend themselves saying all they’re being is original….

Why the 3rd party thing? I refer to “Nalod” In the 3rd person because here thats who I am. I learned to mostly stay away from the politic thing, or other personal items and if its just hope, its just Nalod who speaks.

Gustav, Your takes at times get a bit into the realm like your an innercircle member of the team. YOur not. When challanged you take it personal. Then you bite back. That stands out more than anything. I’d lighten up on that.
BTW, its not about free speech. We are all guests of Martin and he foots the bill. No ads here to even cover costs. I’d say he is more than reasonable.
Many of us exist for 20 plus years mostly by keeping it real. I don’t run off malcontents, they run themelves off by not adhering to the norm which is mostly self governed. IF one is not happy with what happens here or is told to knock it off by the Admin and chooses to not agree then they are banned. Very rare that happens. Usually they just go away in a huff as “its not me, its others”. Look in the mirror, you are saying this of late.
Really, I have not read much that sees you as being victimized. Mostly you lack any humility to understand that we all suck from time to time and have to tap out and say “My bad”, or “I missed that”. Or just let it go. Perhaps double down and defending a view, and opinion and taking that personal is not healthy.

Lighten up GUS, I have not made a study of you until you called me out and it was lame. Your not lame, your post challanging me was lame. I don’t know you? YOu don’t know me. You only know “Nalod”. If you really wanted to study me you’ll know I paint myself at times snarky, pompous, and come off as high and mighty because I look up facts and things in the context and try to put it proper. Running a team is hard when you have windows to make decisions. Its easy to rail about Haliburton being passed over for Obi but there was much about covid shutdown, draft was months later than normal, teams could not bring in guys for tryout, etc etc. Its disrespectful to the Professonals in the NBA to think fans are smarter when we rarely scratch the surface to what entails what these guys do. At least have a clue of what one does not know! Im sure its annoying to the poster when I do this but facts keep the conversations going not bull****. Painting an opinon as facts is not healthy to the collective efforts made by participants in this forum.

Briggs posted pictures of himself, discussed his health issues, his investments, his politics, his wife, Daughter, etc. He posted his name, we know has family did not survive the holocaust, he had a rough childhood, he was an active equity trader, bought a muscle car, his wife was a nurse. He lives in CT, he gave his value proposition about why he voted for Trump and many other subjects as well many times which really opens things up, he was lifting weights, he thinks he looks a lot like Troy Aikman. I can go on. HE TOLD US ALL THIS……So why is he not here? I cannot tell you if he was banned for just left but he was told many times to not go into certain subjects. In the end we either agree to uphold the norms that work for a forum or leave. Last I saw I think he really endorsed Ramiswarmy which was his right, but it got nasty because it was a very personal subject. He could have been wrong about him as his campaign and issues were picked apart by general media and by posters but by not responding he did not say “Oh, my bad”. So in fact he endorsed him by his silence. Same for Trump. I don’t care what your personal views are but I have a daughter and Trump does not behave well with women. Trump defended both sides as “Good people” after Nazi rally in charlottesville. See my issues with Briggs statements? How can a man who who lost family in the nazi germany promote Trump after his comments? There are no good “Nazis” if your the president of the united states.

To be fair, in the first few years I was here Martin called me out and sent me two personal messages via e-mail to knock of certain stuff or be banned. Really, it was my choice. Its not free speech issue, this is his house and we are guests. How we react to what goes on here is on us.
IF you want to go after “Nalod” that don’t bother me. Nalod knows what he is here. Its part of my personalty I suppose but not all of it.