GustavBahler wrote:Hillary is even more of a war monger than Trump, she has a record of it in govt. All the things people are saying about Trump are true, but you have to look at her record closely to see that this woman is no peacemaker. We're ****ed with either one of them. She already told everyone that Bill will be the point man on the economy. More deregulation, more Wall Street friendly (and Main Street unfriendly) policies are sure to follow with either candidate.

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Hillary is even more of a war monger than Trump, she has a record of it in govt. All the things people are saying about Trump are true, but you have to look at her record closely to see that this woman is no peacemaker. We're ****ed with either one of them. She already told everyone that Bill will be the point man on the economy. More deregulation, more Wall Street friendly (and Main Street unfriendly) policies are sure to follow with either candidate.

One also has to keep in mind the branch of government that declares war, and funds them, along with all other fiscal policies relating to taxation and regulation, is in fact the legislative branch.

OK I'll try again. Clinton as part of the legislature voted for the Iraq war. You know as well as I do that military operations take place with or without Congress's approval all the time. She is a practicing neoconservative. You would have thought that after Iraq, Clinton would have run in the opposite direction when she saw someone coming who pushed a policy that caused the deaths hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, thousands of American and allied troops killed or wounded. A policy that gave rise to ISIS. But instead she hired them.

Her cheerleading the ouster of Gaddafi gave ISIS the makings of a caliphate. She wanted to put in a no fly zone over Syria which could have triggered WWIII with the Russians. She fought against a signing a deal with Iran, it didn't happen until she left. Some of these exerpts do a better job of pointing out better than I can that Clinton favors using the military before anything else, even as Secretary of State.

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/07/06/hillary-clinton-as-damaged-goods/

A partial list of her dubious and dangerous judgments include voting for the catastrophic Iraq War, pushing for a misguided counterinsurgency “surge” in Afghanistan, embracing an anti-democratic coup in Honduras, undercutting President Obama’s efforts to peacefully constrain Iran’s nuclear program, devising the disastrous Libyan “regime change,” advocating a new invasion of Syria under the guise of creating “safe zones,” likening Russian President Vladimir Putin to Hitler, and – now according to FBI Director James Comey – failing to protect classified material from possible exposure to foreign adversaries.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/04/11/would-clinton-win-mean-more-wars

Some of the smarter neocons quickly identified Ukraine as a potential wedge that could be driven between Obama and Putin. Carl Gershman, president of the National Endowment for Democracy, called Ukraine “the biggest prize” and a potential first step toward driving Putin from power in Russia.

It fell to Assistant Secretary of State Nuland to shepherd the Ukraine operation to fulfillment as she plotted with U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt how to remove Ukraine’s pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych. Nuland and Pyatt were caught in an intercepted phone call discussing who should take over.

“Yats is the guy,” Nuland said referring to Arseniy Yatsenyuk who indeed would become the new prime minister. Nuland and Pyatt then exchanged ideas how to “glue this thing” and how to “midwife this thing.” This “thing” became the bloody Feb. 22, 2014 coup ousting elected President Yanukovych and touching off a civil war between Ukrainian “nationalists” from the west and Ukraine’s ethnic Russians in the east.

As the “nationalists,” some of them openly neo-Nazis, inflicted atrocities on ethnic Russians, Crimea voted by 96 percent to leave Ukraine and rejoin Russia. Resistance to the new Kiev regime also arose in the eastern Donbas region.

When coupled with Trump’s plans for mass deportation of unauthorized immigrants and a ban on Muslim entry into the United States, you have a clear outline for repressive, authoritarian government, where disfavored minorities are hounded and political opponents condemned as criminals. And Republicans, blind with anti-Clinton animus, can’t see it. Press delegates on Donald Trump’s rhetoric—on his behavior and his temperament—and they deflect. Hillary Clinton can’t be president. Hear it enough, and it begins to sound like a mantra, a way to rationalize the decision to put Donald Trump a stone’s throw from the presidency.

On Tuesday, the assembled delegations announced their delegate counts and formally nominate Trump. Most delegates were thrilled, hopeful that Trump would indeed be the next president of the United States. Outside, in the recreation area of the convention called“Freedom Plaza,” delegates and attendees cheered as they ate, drank, and socialized. It felt like an ordinary event at an ordinary convention. That was the scariest part of all—the feeling that people here had already fit Donald Trump into the normal rhythms of American political life.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/07/the_message_of_the_rnc_is_clear_and_terrifying.html

markvmc wrote:Agreed, GB, Clinton is waaaayyy to hawkish for my liking. But when I weigh that against building a wall across the Mexican border, claiming that Mexican immigrants are rapists and drug dealers, and calling for deportation of muslims, there's only one candidate I could vote for. And that's before we get into the lack of detailed economic policies from Trump.

Doubt Trump will build a wall or anything else as president unless he can put his name on it. You're absolutely right about Trump of course. I dont see a good outcome either way. Wish I felt differently.

meloshouldgo wrote:People don't need to fit Trump into their lives. He has simply come out and expressed what these people think and believe. About 45% of the population of this country is blinded by xenophobia, hate for immigrants, hatred for everything that even hints at caring for poor people and addicted to guns and violence. Yes, people will advise me of broad brush characterizations, but the support Trump gets in polls clearly shows the generalizations are holding up pretty well. He was already fully integrated into their values, he is just now giving them a voice to peddle their garbage to the rest of the world.

Remembering the hyped "post-racial" memes of 2009 makes me wanna holler.

Marvin was right.

gunsnewing wrote:Cruz confirmed what a classless sore loser sociopath he is. What a

Yep but Trump campaign had a very good night. Excellent speakers throughout, didn't know Pence before but he came off very well

meloanyk wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Cruz confirmed what a classless sore loser sociopath he is. What a

Yep but Trump campaign had a very good night. Excellent speakers throughout, didn't know Pence before but he came off very well

Yup anyone who honors and shares a special moment like that with his mother is ok in my book. Great family man. Just a good guy! Sound policies and a history of creating jobs.

gunsnewing wrote:I like their family values, hardwork, ethics and stability. Whereas the Clinton family is full of secrets, lies and deception

Why not do some research on who actually raised the Trump kids.

Ivana had them beginning 4, 6, and 8...full custody...she made all decisions. After they turned 21, she basically gave the finished products to Trump.

Marla Maple's kid, Tiffany, rarely saw him Donald.

Luckily for the kids...none of them attended school at Trump University.

The kids seem fine, but his ex-wives get most of the credit.

gunsnewing wrote:Glad Cruz took the stand he did tonight because I will be even more glad when he loses again in 2020

Loses what again?