Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

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earthmansurfer wrote:Holfresh - It's all about getting that trophy. I have fun watching games, but in the end it is about having the BEST shot at the championship. Doesn't matter what place we are in right now. My eyes see inconsistant and leaderless play. I do miss Felton but see him for what his career has been, a bit more in NY though.

Knick fans or "being American" - questioning and criticizing is healthy. A fan is not a fanatic in my book, the latter is dangerous...

You're being way too harsh. .640 half-way through a season is basically mission accomplished.

From .470 to .640...What does that look like on a graph professor???...And it's .649 for you!!!

Like I said, it's looks like mission accomplished

Your mission maybe since you are keeping stats, we talking deep playoff run, that's the mission...

If you mean it, then stop getting upset when people criticize a .649 team. Most .649 teams don't go deep in the playoffs.

The constant belly aching for players long gone and not even that good...Gallo, Lin...My good lord...Are their teams talking Championship???..

Straw man. Really nothing else to say.

Yes there is..Championship run..Embrace Melo and his TS%...Embrace Felton and his TS%...Seriously what would u say if we made it to the Finals??...

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earthmansurfer wrote:Holfresh - It's all about getting that trophy. I have fun watching games, but in the end it is about having the BEST shot at the championship. Doesn't matter what place we are in right now. My eyes see inconsistant and leaderless play. I do miss Felton but see him for what his career has been, a bit more in NY though.

Knick fans or "being American" - questioning and criticizing is healthy. A fan is not a fanatic in my book, the latter is dangerous...

You're being way too harsh. .640 half-way through a season is basically mission accomplished.

From .470 to .640...What does that look like on a graph professor???...And it's .649 for you!!!

Like I said, it's looks like mission accomplished

Your mission maybe since you are keeping stats, we talking deep playoff run, that's the mission...

If you mean it, then stop getting upset when people criticize a .649 team. Most .649 teams don't go deep in the playoffs.

The constant belly aching for players long gone and not even that good...Gallo, Lin...My good lord...Are their teams talking Championship???..

Straw man. Really nothing else to say.

Yes there is..Championship run..Embrace Melo and his TS%...Embrace Felton and his TS%...Seriously what would u say if we made it to the Finals??...

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

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earthmansurfer wrote:Holfresh - It's all about getting that trophy. I have fun watching games, but in the end it is about having the BEST shot at the championship. Doesn't matter what place we are in right now. My eyes see inconsistant and leaderless play. I do miss Felton but see him for what his career has been, a bit more in NY though.

Knick fans or "being American" - questioning and criticizing is healthy. A fan is not a fanatic in my book, the latter is dangerous...

You're being way too harsh. .640 half-way through a season is basically mission accomplished.

From .470 to .640...What does that look like on a graph professor???...And it's .649 for you!!!

Like I said, it's looks like mission accomplished

Your mission maybe since you are keeping stats, we talking deep playoff run, that's the mission...

If you mean it, then stop getting upset when people criticize a .649 team. Most .649 teams don't go deep in the playoffs.

The constant belly aching for players long gone and not even that good...Gallo, Lin...My good lord...Are their teams talking Championship???..

Straw man. Really nothing else to say.

Yes there is..Championship run..Embrace Melo and his TS%...Embrace Felton and his TS%...Seriously what would u say if we made it to the Finals??...

Made it to the finals? If a team this old makes it to the finals but doesn't win it, that's nice but nothing great. I'd rather be building for a long-term future and several titles. No one was ecstatic with how '94 and '99 finished.

And if everyone is healthy (which is possible but unlikely) I could definitely see this team make it to the finals. If this year ends like the last two, what will you say?

I was ecstatic was the '94 and '99 runs...If this team makes it to the Finals it's nothing great???..Really???...OK...I was out of my tree in '94 and '99...NY was a different place..The buzz in the City was insane...If we don't make it to the playoffs or get bumped first round it's a massive failure...But then again, MDA isn't coaching us...

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RonRon wrote:My man, do you watch the games???..Stop listening to ESPN about Melo playing PF...Most teams cover him with their small forwards..There aren't these delusional mismatches that you or anyone else is talking about...

So Melo was breaking plays and and Lin didn't want to pass to thim..What's the excuse for not wanting to pass to Amare..And don't tell me it didn't happen...I brough this up last year as well...
By the way from a couple of post ago...Every one on this board thinks they know what they are talking about...

I said, MELO at PF would open things up for him since Dantoni was here, I don't listen to ESPN

Where do get that LIN was not passing the ball to STAT, STAT was unable to produce, with Amare, Tyson, Melo on the floor because of the poor spacing/fit, as they were ineffective for the most part. It is just a bad lineup together, a reason why Wooodon wanted Amare to have Hakeem tutor him for some moves to initiate the offense

You make up crap, that you have no clue what you are trying to talk about, to try to prove that you are right....

IF Lin is willing to pass the ball to Jeffries/FIELDS, WHY WOULDN"T HE PASS THE BALL TO AMARE
THE WHOLE RUN LIN MADE, he was passing the ball, and penetrating to break DEFENSE'S DOWN, we played as a unit, that was made the run special, not LIN
There was trust for one another in both ends of the floor, all with less talent on the floor, and we played as ONE UNIT, something Woodson had to preach to some current players

Lin was waving off Amare last year..And not passing the ball to him...How did u miss that???
Also what mismatches are u talking about Melo exploiting if u didn't mean PF covering him???

this happened ONCE IN MEMPHIS and you use it for what POINT?
WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER GAMES WE PLAYED, 1 FREAKING GAME
1 Game negates the other 20+ games that we were playing "out of our minds"

so you are saying Melo does not play better at the PF?
It does not allow him to utilize a mismatch, handle the ball, hit the 3pointer, set up his team mates, space the floor with other shooters, post up with both midrange and deep post, play solid DEF, and penetrate off the dribble?

How come he does not do all of this effectively when he play's SF?
It's a mismatch from Dantoni's Philosphy....

You praise about our record and then crap on the idea of MELO at PF during the win streak's we had....

WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING?????

Quit it, you are making yourself look silly.....

Waste of time on talking to u

What role did Dantoni want Melo to play? Point Forward?
What has he been doing during this whole year??
staying outside shooting 3's, posting up, setting up team mates, creating for other's, taking quality shot's being selective of shot's, move the ball, and attack the DEFENSE....

But of course, you are going to say Lin and Dantoni wanted Melo to stay outside to be a 3point shooter/decoy.....SMH

And NOT EVERYTHING else that he has been doing at the position......

I don't crap on Melo at PF..It makes no difference...Other teams cover him with SF anyway...There aren't any mismatches...Melo can bring the ball up as a SF and shoot threes too...Why do u think he can't???...U are taking this off topic..Doesn't matter..No worries...

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earthmansurfer wrote:Holfresh - It's all about getting that trophy. I have fun watching games, but in the end it is about having the BEST shot at the championship. Doesn't matter what place we are in right now. My eyes see inconsistant and leaderless play. I do miss Felton but see him for what his career has been, a bit more in NY though.

Knick fans or "being American" - questioning and criticizing is healthy. A fan is not a fanatic in my book, the latter is dangerous...

You're being way too harsh. .640 half-way through a season is basically mission accomplished.

From .470 to .640...What does that look like on a graph professor???...And it's .649 for you!!!

Like I said, it's looks like mission accomplished

Your mission maybe since you are keeping stats, we talking deep playoff run, that's the mission...

If you mean it, then stop getting upset when people criticize a .649 team. Most .649 teams don't go deep in the playoffs.

The constant belly aching for players long gone and not even that good...Gallo, Lin...My good lord...Are their teams talking Championship???..

Straw man. Really nothing else to say.

Yes there is..Championship run..Embrace Melo and his TS%...Embrace Felton and his TS%...Seriously what would u say if we made it to the Finals??...

Made it to the finals? If a team this old makes it to the finals but doesn't win it, that's nice but nothing great. I'd rather be building for a long-term future and several titles. No one was ecstatic with how '94 and '99 finished.

And if everyone is healthy (which is possible but unlikely) I could definitely see this team make it to the finals. If this year ends like the last two, what will you say?

I was ecstatic was the '94 and '99 runs...If this team makes it to the Finals it's nothing great???..Really???...OK...I was out of my tree in '94 and '99...NY was a different place..The buzz in the City was insane...If we don't make it to the playoffs or get bumped first round it's a massive failure...But then again, MDA isn't coaching us...

The rounds we won in were fun, sure.
Remember how much of a disaster the 2011 Heat's season was considered because they were 2 games away from a championship? Imagine if they had been a bunch of old guys like our team when they lost in the finals. You seem to have low expectations.

Different expectations...They had 3 top 20 players..Two top 5...We have Melo...U have to understand my approach as Knick fan...There are a few theorems involved..1. We will never rebuild...2 We will never rebuild...3 We will never rebuild...4 Hoping we build through the draft and develop players won't happen...Too much money involved...It's a business first..We don't live in a small town...Midtown real estate is a birtch and some one has to pay the tab for that...

If my team wins a ring...Age of the players doesn't matter to me...Outside of Amare, our core are in their primes...I don't need my team to be OKC to be happy...

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Holfresh - It's all about getting that trophy. I have fun watching games, but in the end it is about having the BEST shot at the championship. Doesn't matter what place we are in right now. My eyes see inconsistant and leaderless play. I do miss Felton but see him for what his career has been, a bit more in NY though.

Knick fans or "being American" - questioning and criticizing is healthy. A fan is not a fanatic in my book, the latter is dangerous...

You're being way too harsh. .640 half-way through a season is basically mission accomplished.

From .470 to .640...What does that look like on a graph professor???...And it's .649 for you!!!

Like I said, it's looks like mission accomplished

Your mission maybe since you are keeping stats, we talking deep playoff run, that's the mission...

If you mean it, then stop getting upset when people criticize a .649 team. Most .649 teams don't go deep in the playoffs.

The constant belly aching for players long gone and not even that good...Gallo, Lin...My good lord...Are their teams talking Championship???..

Straw man. Really nothing else to say.

Yes there is..Championship run..Embrace Melo and his TS%...Embrace Felton and his TS%...Seriously what would u say if we made it to the Finals??...

Made it to the finals? If a team this old makes it to the finals but doesn't win it, that's nice but nothing great. I'd rather be building for a long-term future and several titles. No one was ecstatic with how '94 and '99 finished.

And if everyone is healthy (which is possible but unlikely) I could definitely see this team make it to the finals. If this year ends like the last two, what will you say?

I was ecstatic was the '94 and '99 runs...If this team makes it to the Finals it's nothing great???..Really???...OK...I was out of my tree in '94 and '99...NY was a different place..The buzz in the City was insane...If we don't make it to the playoffs or get bumped first round it's a massive failure...But then again, MDA isn't coaching us...

The rounds we won in were fun, sure.
Remember how much of a disaster the 2011 Heat's season was considered because they were 2 games away from a championship? Imagine if they had been a bunch of old guys like our team when they lost in the finals. You seem to have low expectations.

Different expectations...They had 3 top 20 players..Two top 5...We have Melo...U have to understand my approach as Knick fan...There are a few theorems involved..1. We will never rebuild...2 We will never rebuild...3 We will never rebuild...4 Hoping we build through the draft and develop players won't happen...Too much money involved...It's a business first..We don't live in a small town...Midtown real estate is a birtch and some one has to pay the tab for that...

If my team wins a ring...Age of the players doesn't matter to me...Outside of Amare, our core are in their primes...I don't need my team to be OKC to be happy...

We may have different definitions of rebuilding. Look at Houston: After Yao and McGrady retired, they never had to become bad in order to rebuild. Now they have a .550 to .600 team with many very good routs from here to contention.

Spending big money on average players will bite them in the arse...I have seen that movie before...I'm not as high as you are on Harden or Lin for that matter...Harden played poorly in last years playoffs...For me, playoff performance under pressure and tough defense tells me exactly what type of player u are...I'm wouldn't give anyone big money who hasn't shown they can produce under pressure and the playoffs...Harden and Lin...But that's why it's sports..We play the games...

gunsnewing wrote:OKC should have traded Westbrook not Harden. Harden is so efficient him and Durant would be an incredible duo

You overrate efficiency somewhat. Westbrook is a supremely better athlete than Harden. Also, Westbrook is a supremely better defender than Harden. Harden is more efficient and a better jump shooter. It is really a wash, imo.

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

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holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Holfresh - It's all about getting that trophy. I have fun watching games, but in the end it is about having the BEST shot at the championship. Doesn't matter what place we are in right now. My eyes see inconsistant and leaderless play. I do miss Felton but see him for what his career has been, a bit more in NY though.

Knick fans or "being American" - questioning and criticizing is healthy. A fan is not a fanatic in my book, the latter is dangerous...

You're being way too harsh. .640 half-way through a season is basically mission accomplished.

From .470 to .640...What does that look like on a graph professor???...And it's .649 for you!!!

Like I said, it's looks like mission accomplished

Your mission maybe since you are keeping stats, we talking deep playoff run, that's the mission...

If you mean it, then stop getting upset when people criticize a .649 team. Most .649 teams don't go deep in the playoffs.

The constant belly aching for players long gone and not even that good...Gallo, Lin...My good lord...Are their teams talking Championship???..

Straw man. Really nothing else to say.

Yes there is..Championship run..Embrace Melo and his TS%...Embrace Felton and his TS%...Seriously what would u say if we made it to the Finals??...

Made it to the finals? If a team this old makes it to the finals but doesn't win it, that's nice but nothing great. I'd rather be building for a long-term future and several titles. No one was ecstatic with how '94 and '99 finished.

And if everyone is healthy (which is possible but unlikely) I could definitely see this team make it to the finals. If this year ends like the last two, what will you say?

I was ecstatic was the '94 and '99 runs...If this team makes it to the Finals it's nothing great???..Really???...OK...I was out of my tree in '94 and '99...NY was a different place..The buzz in the City was insane...If we don't make it to the playoffs or get bumped first round it's a massive failure...But then again, MDA isn't coaching us...

The rounds we won in were fun, sure.
Remember how much of a disaster the 2011 Heat's season was considered because they were 2 games away from a championship? Imagine if they had been a bunch of old guys like our team when they lost in the finals. You seem to have low expectations.

Different expectations...They had 3 top 20 players..Two top 5...We have Melo...U have to understand my approach as Knick fan...There are a few theorems involved..1. We will never rebuild...2 We will never rebuild...3 We will never rebuild...4 Hoping we build through the draft and develop players won't happen...Too much money involved...It's a business first..We don't live in a small town...Midtown real estate is a birtch and some one has to pay the tab for that...

If my team wins a ring...Age of the players doesn't matter to me...Outside of Amare, our core are in their primes...I don't need my team to be OKC to be happy...

We may have different definitions of rebuilding. Look at Houston: After Yao and McGrady retired, they never had to become bad in order to rebuild. Now they have a .550 to .600 team with many very good routs from here to contention.

Spending big money on average players will bite them in the arse...I have seen that movie before...I'm not as high as you are on Harden or Lin for that matter...Harden played poorly in last years playoffs...For me, playoff performance under pressure and tough defense tells me exactly what type of player u are...I'm wouldn't give anyone big money who hasn't shown they can produce under pressure and the playoffs...Harden and Lin...But that's why it's sports..We play the games...

You talking about Houston? They're the lowest paid team in the league. Harden's playoff #s were excellent last year. He had 2 good and 3 bad finals games. Is that what you meant? Don't forget that among players with 50+ playoff games, Melo has the worst winning % of any NBA player in decades. Regarding Lin, I think he will be an average or slightly above average NBA PG.

Yes...playing three bad games out of five is poor...Melo performs under pressure...No one has any doubt about that...So u think Melo alone was capable of beating Champioships teams like SA and the Lakers..Did u guys see Westbrook in last years playoffs ???...One announcer said he was the only Thunder competing...Keep Harden over Westbrook..Amazing...

Bonn1997 wrote:How do you know that he overrates it rather than you underrating it?

He states Harden is better solely because of efficiency while ignoring defense, athleticism and their performances in the finals / playoffs. I'd call that overrating efficiency.

NUPE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:OKC should have traded Westbrook not Harden. Harden is so efficient him and Durant would be an incredible duo

You overrate efficiency somewhat. Westbrook is a supremely better athlete than Harden. Also, Westbrook is a supremely better defender than Harden. Harden is more efficient and a better jump shooter. It is really a wash, imo.

That is a fair point. I might be a wash I will play closer attention to Durant. The times I've seen him in the playoffs vs good defenses he shoots his team out the the game instead of getting the ball to Durant. I know he also has some 40pt games. Did OKC beat Miami when Westbrook lead them in scoring?