airchibundo507 wrote:http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2012-13/index.html

It's a 3-4 man race, really. Lebron and Durant are the most likely to win naturally because they are the best players in the game, but assuming Melo & the Knicks sustain their current level of play, Melo will get a few first place votes. So far Melo as done as much as Lebron and Durant playing alongside less talent, but the Knicks will have to win the East for Melo to get serious attention.

You're right. It's about 3-4 players who are really deserving of it out of 10 total candidates.

There's people out there who think its only 2 out of 20 lol.

airchibundo507 wrote:http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2012-13/index.html

It's a 3-4 man race, really. Lebron and Durant are the most likely to win naturally because they are the best players in the game, but assuming Melo & the Knicks sustain their current level of play, Melo will get a few first place votes. So far Melo as done as much as Lebron and Durant playing alongside less talent, but the Knicks will have to win the East for Melo to get serious attention.

airchibundo507 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

airchibundo507 wrote:http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2012-13/index.html

It's a 3-4 man race, really. Lebron and Durant are the most likely to win naturally because they are the best players in the game, but assuming Melo & the Knicks sustain their current level of play, Melo will get a few first place votes. So far Melo as done as much as Lebron and Durant playing alongside less talent, but the Knicks will have to win the East for Melo to get serious attention.

Unless I'm misunderstanding it, that's the opinion of just some guy named Sekou Smith.

is your opinion plastered on nba.com?

Nah, nba.com is not a reliable source. Win shares is!

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

airchibundo507 wrote:http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2012-13/index.html

It's a 3-4 man race, really. Lebron and Durant are the most likely to win naturally because they are the best players in the game, but assuming Melo & the Knicks sustain their current level of play, Melo will get a few first place votes. So far Melo as done as much as Lebron and Durant playing alongside less talent, but the Knicks will have to win the East for Melo to get serious attention.

You're right. It's about 3-4 players who are really deserving of it out of 10 total candidates.

There's people out there who think its only 2 out of 20 lol.

no dude, there is just usually one or two that get a real look at winning... there are close to 20 guys total.. go look at the list.. what are you talking about, in 20011 there were 15 guys who received some sort of votes.. rose had 113 first place votes.. dwight 3, lebron 4, kobe 1.. the other 11 guys received none... they had no shot in the world.... in 2004, there were like 17 players receiving some sort of votes....

what I am trying to get into your head is that unless he pretty much beats out lebron and durant(highly unlikely) he is not being heavily considered, "in the hunt", "in the race", etc...

he will most likely finish among the ranks of the other guys , the other 10-15 or so who didn't get any first place votes.... being in the discussion is not being "heavily considered" unless you get the majority of votes..

now unless you feel carmelo is going to finish ahead of durant and lebron.. I will gladly consider listening to your argument.. if you can form a legit one...

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

airchibundo507 wrote:http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2012-13/index.html

It's a 3-4 man race, really. Lebron and Durant are the most likely to win naturally because they are the best players in the game, but assuming Melo & the Knicks sustain their current level of play, Melo will get a few first place votes. So far Melo as done as much as Lebron and Durant playing alongside less talent, but the Knicks will have to win the East for Melo to get serious attention.

You're right. It's about 3-4 players who are really deserving of it out of 10 total candidates.

There's people out there who think its only 2 out of 20 lol.

all you need to do is look at the history of the mvp voting to see that only two players have a shot at winning this award in any given year, and many years it's been a runaway one-horse race. go to google and type in "mvp nba votes 2010" for instance. it's simply unrealistic to expect that carmelo anthony has a viable chance to win it. i mean just take a look at lebron's performance last night. talk about impact.

3-4 players is a pipe dream at the end of the day. you need a good many 1st place votes and he is not getting more than lebron or durant.

you're better off hoping he wins a most improved player award or the scoring title before he garners enough mvp votes.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

tkf wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He's the leading scorer on a team doing very well. Rightly or wrongly, if that continues, he will definitely get MVP consideration. I've never disputed that. The MVP voting is usually distributed simply among the top scorers on each of the 3 or 5 top teams in the league.

He's not on the list because he's the leading scorer on a team doing very well. He's there because he's the best player on a team doing very well.

Clippers have Jamal Crawford and Blake Griffin who are scoring more points than Chris Paul, but Paul is the one in the MVP race.

The sooner you understand that its about the impact guys have rather than points, the better.

oh, we understand that.. but it is a combination of things, because if we talk impact with the knicks, then jason kidd has to be in the mix then...

Yea, because 8 PPG and 3 APG is deserving of an MVP award.

you said impact right? does kidd not have a huge impact on this team? maybe the biggest so far? so really it is a combination of things.. which is why bonn mentioned that he is leading scorer and mainly why you and a few others may feel he should get a look at mvp... if we are looking at impact, I think jason kidd impact has been larger this year..

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

tkf wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

tkf wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He's the leading scorer on a team doing very well. Rightly or wrongly, if that continues, he will definitely get MVP consideration. I've never disputed that. The MVP voting is usually distributed simply among the top scorers on each of the 3 or 5 top teams in the league.

He's not on the list because he's the leading scorer on a team doing very well. He's there because he's the best player on a team doing very well.

Clippers have Jamal Crawford and Blake Griffin who are scoring more points than Chris Paul, but Paul is the one in the MVP race.

The sooner you understand that its about the impact guys have rather than points, the better.

oh, we understand that.. but it is a combination of things, because if we talk impact with the knicks, then jason kidd has to be in the mix then...

Yea, because 8 PPG and 3 APG is deserving of an MVP award.

you said impact right? does kidd not have a huge impact on this team? maybe the biggest so far? so really it is a combination of things.. which is why bonn mentioned that he is leading scorer and mainly why you and a few others may feel he should get a look at mvp... if we are looking at impact, I think jason kidd impact has been larger this year..

8 and 3 can only impact your team so much. Sure, he's been a nice impact. He brings tremendous leadership, something that cannot be measured by statistics.

But you have to put up numbers for this award. It's the most prestigious single season award.

This is why guys like Jordan, Malone, Bryant, etc. have won it.

8 and 3 are role players numbers son. Not MVP.

YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING... bonn said carmelo is being considered because he leads the team in scoring.. you said,it was because he was the best player on the team and then pointed out impact moreso than numbers... but what I am trying to tell you is that carmelo's impact is probably no more than kidds at this point, so if he is going to get any recognition it will be because of his numbers and that just won't be enough because he is not on par with the likes of durant and lebron..

I am not saying kidd will win mvp bro....

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

airchibundo507 wrote:http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2012-13/index.html

It's a 3-4 man race, really. Lebron and Durant are the most likely to win naturally because they are the best players in the game, but assuming Melo & the Knicks sustain their current level of play, Melo will get a few first place votes. So far Melo as done as much as Lebron and Durant playing alongside less talent, but the Knicks will have to win the East for Melo to get serious attention.

You're right. It's about 3-4 players who are really deserving of it out of 10 total candidates.

There's people out there who think its only 2 out of 20 lol.

all you need to do is look at the history of the mvp voting to see that only two players have a shot at winning this award in any given year, and many years it's been a runaway one-horse race. go to google and type in "mvp nba votes 2010" for instance. it's simply unrealistic to expect that carmelo anthony has a viable chance to win it. i mean just take a look at lebron's performance last night. talk about impact.

3-4 players is a pipe dream at the end of the day. you need a good many 1st place votes and he is not getting more than lebron or durant.

you're better off hoping he wins a most improved player award or the scoring title before he garners enough mvp votes.

yea dk, it is pretty simple.. look at how many guys get votes that are not first place votes.. one year the list was 17 players long... after the obvious top 2 players writers may have different feelings about different players.. which is why you see names like amare, dirk, marion,showing up on the list a few times.. doesn't mean that they had a legit chance at all those years...

as a fan if you just step back and look at things without a homer view, and can say that after looking at what lebron and durant is doing so far that carmelo will be heavily considered, then you must look at a list of other players equally... and we know that just isn't the case...

it's kind of a lotto mentality. some people have a hard time distinguishing between possibility and probability. "hey you never know!"

melo has as much possibility winning the mvp as the knicks do of winning a title.

"hey you never know!"

mrKnickShot wrote:Just visiting and wanting to see how you guys are doing

Oh things are pretty much the same. Well on our way to 50 pages of why Melo isn't an MVP. tkf still thinks Clinton Wheeler has more of an impact on the Knicks than Melo. Bonn is busy sweating out the statistical analysis to prove that contention. fishmike is busy sexting LaLa and trying to explain to her that girth isn't everything.

Meanwhile, 3G4K is plotting out some way to get GamePicker to reflect Melo's actual negative impact on how much we actually could have won each game by...

Nalod would say hi, but he's busy scouting out a 5 bedroom, 18000 sq ft loft right off of Flatbush. Next UK gathering's at his new place; you have to bring food that's only black and white. Oreos, Linza tarts, Vanilla swirl ice cream, etc...

NYKMentality apparently has been worn down and out by the emergence of Somberism.

martin and andrew are busy hacking into some government military installation so they can move the board to a Cray for free.

10 and 4; Melo going to go for 50 against the Wall-less Wizards tonight.

Take that, MVP race!

Lebron is by far the leader.

Durant gets the heavy no. 2 because he been there.

If Homeristic tendancy must have Melo as a legit 3rd place thats ok.

It would great for him to earn a "1st team NBA" spot.

NUPE wrote:First it was Melo is not in the discussion. Now it is, Melo is only 3rd in the discussion. LoL! I think the point of the thread is that he is in the discussion.

That's always been the point. 3rd is too good a rank for some people.