ToddTT wrote:What are people’s opinions on donating to campaigns? And during this election in particular? Might part with some money later today.

I think it's a good idea! Good on you, man!

BTW you can just go to her website to donate, and PayPal is among the options. The whole thing can be done in about one minute.

ToddTT wrote:

ToddTT wrote:What are people’s opinions on donating to campaigns? And during this election in particular? Might part with some money later today.

I think it's a good idea! Good on you, man!

BTW you can just go to her website to donate, and PayPal is among the options. The whole thing can be done in about one minute.

I have donated in the past and the DNC just sends me request for money mercilessly. I block it and it comes from an other source. So if you give don't give your contact information

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martin wrote:Can’t make this up

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Greedy guy playing chess while middle America plays checkers.

The MAGA nation was the only population strongly agains “woke” electric energy and refusing to buy his electric cars!

Why would Elon want to get on their good side?

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Rookie wrote:

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Nalod wrote:

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Nalod wrote:
First off I am not predicting who will win. I stated that.
This country has a lot emotionally unintelligent voters.
Im not looking to have a discussion. Thus I respect your opinion as the one you have and not looking to debate trumps validity.
That Fox News is the leader in ratings demonstrates the illiteracy in this country. ATLAS polls are pretty accurate but that is information based on current numbers. I never debated that Trump has a bit more momentum now. Trump cult followers like to tilt and debate with little regard to context. Trump himself makes up a lot of stuff and embellishes all the time. We all see it. You do also but he serves your values so you ignore it. Harris is not a perfect candidate to me nor does she check all my boxes. But its what we got and in my view she better represents what I want.
No debate. Im not changing your mind. I think Trump is a sorry sack of ****. You don't. His rap sheet speaks for itself. Trump cult is idol worship. He incites the worst in us.

January 6th.
Charlottesville, Virginia
34 felonies
Bank/tax fraud
"Covid will go away like magic"
Putin love

One can go on and on but that short list is it for me. Fanboys buy his rhetoric that he is a victim. No debating this if thats what you believe. Sorry if my view puts you in with he deplorable. I want to believe most conservative voters are not fanboys of this cult. Thats its a religious thing, or a financial thing and he serves their needs. I am not a fan of Bernie Sanders views on politics nor Elizabeth Warrens policies. But then are well intended. AOC? Not a fan of her policies. But they are not ignorant backward power grabbing morons pandering to the lowest who buy into conspiracies.
I see too much racism and antisemitic rhetoric and the seeds of fascism being planted. For that there is little to debate.

The polls do show Trump ahead. Im well aware.

If you're not looking for a discussion, why are you posting here? I think we have built up s certain amount of mutual respect over our shared love for the Knicks that we can exchange our views honestly without doubting peoples intentions.

Harris has out fund raised Trump 2-1. Trump said at ap debate Haitian immigrants are eating dogs and cats. If Knicks lose to the Nets. I'm not getting pissed at Cam Thomas because he had a good game.

Im venting I suppose. Only post on the UK btw.

Polls I follow: https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model

Nate says its too close to call. The poll you cited has been around only 6 years. They picked the 2020 election. Fox tells you its accurate and make you happy.
They might be correct.
Really the polls margin of error is too thin which is why Nate says its too close to cal

Post hear so perhaps others understand why I vote as I do. I was a registered Republican until 2016 but really voted both ways. I changed to independent as the mail I was getting was crazy.
McCain had my vote until he picked Sarah Palin. He was way down in the polls but I liked him. Same for Romney. Moderates with a track record.

When I see a trump MAGA Head I see someone who is in need of hope and is clinging to a false prophet. Someone who does grabs the American Ideal as white privilege. Understand he has made strides with black men and Latin Americans. The Democratic party has not spoken for a lot of people. My take is trump did not help them 4 years ago and I have my doubts he will going forward. He panders to the unempowered and appeals to their lack of self esteem.
Climate change is bad. science is bad. EV are bad. Medicine is bad. Weather is bad. etc. Things you can't control and thus must be a conspiracy behind it.
Why is Marjorie Taylor Green in congress? Jewish Laser's? Jews/Gov't control weather? For real?

Bottom line is every president on either side had dogs in the white house. Not Trump.

Many keep saying, as I did, that we are voting for Biden/Harris because Trump is such a piece of ****! Pretty good reason.
However, the far right talking point has even us fooled. Meaning that Biden/Harris has run this country into drug addicted homeless migrants and addicts. Yea, that exists but we have many areas and towns that are better than they were and flourishing.
Trumpers will point to what Trumps says. That the country is a crime infested, homeless populated country in financial shambles. We are not.
I am now voting for Harris because of the Biden Harris record.
Best stock market in history.
Lower crime rates than with Trump pre Covid.
Gas prices down to $2.69 a gallon. If Trump was in office Trumpers would falsely claim it was all because of him. But hey, will use that logic despite what I know about micro and macro influences.
Unemployment rate at record lows.
Recession averted despite high inflation rates and free covid Trump
Money.
Just about every medium size city is prospering and has had growth and an increase in per capita income.
Our homes are worth more than ever.
Biden/Harris were the first to put together a bi partisan immigration bill. Which his majesty forced his stooges to reject. Can’t have the only platform he is running on improve.
Live in Tampa and in NYC. Tampa is booming and people have very good paying jobs, good schools and paradise for average weather. Minus hurricanes.
NYC is going through its life long cycle of increased crime and continued high cost of living.
Remember in the 80’s when everyone that had money moved out. Then moved back in the late 90’s.
Travel across the nation. There is no longer an “up and coming city “. They all came.
Are there problems? Absolutely!! But not the **** hole Trump wants everyone to believe it is.

Then you have people that can’t understand why their opinion is not fact. Same guys that will try to convince you why you should not be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, gay or straight.

Politics is an opinion. We have elections. Trump being a piece of **** grifter is not an opinion. It’s a fact.
He found out that the most lucrative business in the world is politics and misinformation.
I believe he would rather lose though.
Another fight the steal campaign where he raises billions and spends a few thousand in legal fees filing fake suits is the best business he has ever known.

Just a couple of quick clarifications. A lot of this is due to where you get your information For instance:

The Biden administration will release unemployment numbers before they are finalized. Two weeks later when they are finalized the sources that you get your information from will NOT report that unemployment is not 2.6% as initially reported but 4.6% and that the majority of the jobs created were by adding government jobs and not private sector jobs. The stock market will also predictably react to both sets of numbers.

The crime numbers were also released when they were incomplete and the sources that you get your information from did not tell you that they did not include large Democratic Cities like NYC or Chicago. So when the missing information is added for major crime riddled cities you find that the crime rate went up and not down and also predictably the murder rate went up and not down. The news source that you get your information from will not report the updated and accurate national numbers.

When people started returning to NYC in the 90's it was because everyone got so tired of the quality of life under Democratic Mayors that they actually elected a Republican Mayor. His name was Rudy Giuliani, you've probably heard of him but might only be old enough to know him from the clown show he turned into later in life. Back in the 90's he cleaned NYC up and started the turn around of Times Square clearing out all the porn and crime. He made NYC safe and brought back tourism.

These are just a few examples but you get my point. The numbers are being manipulated to control a narrative.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

I know you can’t copy and paste in 2024 but please post what sources you like to read?
Don’t just put down others without posting ones yourself.
Also, since you seem to have a good grasp of history, can you tell me, how historically, our current unemployment/crime rates compare to historical levels? Perhaps look at the 90’s average unemployment and crime rates?
Rudy was always full of ****. Ran on putting mobsters in jail but was only to build a platform for what he really wanted. Power and the ability to lie and get rewarded.

My point was, but most who turn to Fox have been programmed not to understand, is that the right will have you believe the sky is falling and the US is a piece of crap. Ie. “Our employment rate is 4.1 and not 2.6!
Sky is not falling economically.
Average EDUCATED individual is prospering and living quite well.
True that there many who are not are struggling and still much improvement needed in many areas .
Not sure how some feel a racist egomaniac grifter will help those needing the help?

I remember playing football as a kid and we had these grumpy old couples that would get so mad if we got within a foot of their lawn. They seemed convinced the world was coming to an end and not what it used to be. Thing about life is that you have people that want to believe the world is a terrible place. Either because they have nothing going for themselves or because they are full of regrets.
Politicians know there are millions of these type of people. They will use them to get what they want. You can drink the cool aid and believe them or you can pay attention to all the good things life has to offer. IMO, the US has become full of grumpy old couples ignoring how great this country still is.
And that goes for the NY Knicks!

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:Can’t make this up

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Greedy guy playing chess while middle America plays checkers.

The MAGA nation was the only population strongly agains “woke” electric energy and refusing to buy his electric cars!

Why would Elon want to get on their good side?

1) Get Trump elected
2) ???
3) Profit

Get Trump elected, then in turn from Trump get government oversight power over all of his businesses. And as we all know, the purchase of Twitter(X) was to get access to user data and ability to manipulate narratives.

Money, power, influence, manipulation, for more money, power, influence, manipulation, for more money, power, influence, manipulation.

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:Can’t make this up

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Greedy guy playing chess while middle America plays checkers.

The MAGA nation was the only population strongly agains “woke” electric energy and refusing to buy his electric cars!

Why would Elon want to get on their good side?

1) Get Trump elected more sales
2) ??? Higher Stock price
3) Profit

Fixed!

Don’t think he cares who wins. Like everyone else around Trump, probably hates him but uses his base for their own benefit.

Strategy already working. Stock went up 20%

Best marketing money ever spent.
Giving Trump $15M is cheaper than a Suberbowl TV campaign

What do you mean by that? Elon knows he is nearly in a "do or die" type situation with this election. Let's not be naive here.

Elon is the main driver behind the RNC ground force, hundreds of millions dollars spent. The dude is literally campaigning with Trump. He is part of the group that found and funded Vance.

These are not common points of information that we share and know about Elon?

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Point is that his only concern is how he will profit from his stance.
Not what Trump represents or if he wins.
Agree that it’s obvious that he benefits more if Trump wins.
But Elon knows that his support for Trump will translate to more cars sold regardless if Trump wins.

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:Can’t make this up

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https://www.twitter.com/samstein/status/1849637914105303162

Greedy guy playing chess while middle America plays checkers.

The MAGA nation was the only population strongly agains “woke” electric energy and refusing to buy his electric cars!

Why would Elon want to get on their good side?

1) Get Trump elected more sales
2) ??? Higher Stock price
3) Profit

Fixed!

Don’t think he cares who wins. Like everyone else around Trump, probably hates him but uses his base for their own benefit.

Strategy already working. Stock went up 20%

Best marketing money ever spent.
Giving Trump $15M is cheaper than a Suberbowl TV campaign

What do you mean by that? Elon knows he is nearly in a "do or die" type situation with this election. Let's not be naive here.

Elon is the main driver behind the RNC ground force, hundreds of millions dollars spent. The dude is literally campaigning with Trump. He is part of the group that found and funded Vance.

These are not common points of information that we share and know about Elon?

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Point is that his only concern is how he will profit from his stance.
Not what Trump represents or if he wins.
Agree that it’s obvious that he benefits more if Trump wins.
But Elon knows that his support for Trump will translate to more cars sold regardless if Trump wins.

You can't simultaneously say Elon doesn't care who wins while acknowledging that Elon's main goal is to profit while also stating he is supporting the one candidate that he knows will help him profit.

This is too tight a circular argument.

You think Elon is throwing hundreds of millions of dollars and collectively billions of dollars because he doesn't support Trump? This is a bit of nonsense.

Fair enough.
Let me rephrase it….

Elon knows regardless if Trump wins, he has gained support/sales from far right population, who had previously refused to buy any clean energy product. So money supporting Trump was well spent.

Elon has ALWAYS been about promoting his products, boosting sales and getting richer. Don’t think he is swayed by WHO wins based on any other platform stance.

But as I mentioned above, Elon would benefit MORE financially if Trump won. Therefore I concede your point how my statement that he does not care is wrong.

Semantics and failure to convey main point aside , think we both agree that Musk’s only goal is to make more money. And will say or promote those who make that possible. Regardless of ethics, morals and any other value.

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martin wrote:I read it like this: NY Times is somehow gravitating towards the same themes that Fox News started back in 2015.

Same with Wash Post and you heard the Opinion debacle over at the LA Times over the last 48 hours.

This is all very strange. Or not.

Nalod wrote:NY Times "The Daily" has a good podcast this morning as to why younger men are gravitating to Trump.
Men are not making enough money and they are not able to fill the stereotype that was their father or grandfather. Go work, get a pension, and retire. The american middle class was easy post World War 2 and the boom of demand. Mom stayed at home and took care of the kids, dad went to work and felt like a man!!!
The publication cites young men think cutting corp taxes would create more jobs and bring some of that back. That did not really work in his first administration. He cut taxes but the jobs did not come as expected. Trickle down theory we all hope for.
Tarrifs could do that but its so inflationary and will take a long time to accomplish.
Men want to feel like men. Women are outperforming in school and and making great strides in the workforce. Cold reality is if migrant workers with little language and technical skills are taking your job you need to think about retraining yourself. When Hilary said that she was vilified.
Remember inflation in post ww1 germany drove men to low self esteem and Nazi gave them hope. Bully the educated, dehumanize non Aryan's and blame the German citizens that were Jewish for their problems. It was "Patriotic" to do so. When leadership promotes immoral activity in it becomes "patriotic". sound familar? Nazi's had great uniforms that bully's could wear with pride and feel good about themselves.
White men entitlement is threatened. Trump misogamy speaks to this. His fear mongering about immigrants is an age old tactic we have used over and over. Assign blame is necessary.
So when generals and other former staffers say he is a "fascist" this is in part what they are talking about. He will go for media, create enemies, and divide us so he can consolidate his power. Sociopaths think only of themselves. The vacuum he creates feeds the insecure white male. You need guns. You need to be part of something that soothes and feeds your self esteem. Hating on the educated is part of this. creating conspiracy to hate on things you don't understand so its has to be deliberate. "Deep State" or our ring leader of all things including the weather on George Soros! Fox news feeds this.
Not saying all trump supporters BTW. But enough to tip the balance. Unfortunately we all learn from mistakes. Lets hope Trump is one that is not elected and if so may it not be all I fear!

You suggesting using Fox tactics to incite fear? The LA Times "Editorial: Election denialism could spark violence after a close race" Op-Ed" as example?

I am suggesting that participation at the ownership level of those media outlets is propagating something that is not as independent as one would expect.

Who is the LA Times endorsing this election? And why haven't they? The paper that is based out of Kamala country? Who is that owner?

You can’t make these things up: owner of LATimes was born in South Africa and has dual citizenship and is a billionaire. What are the odds?

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Interesting that all of these newspapers who are owned by billionaires are suddenly not endorsing someone?

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martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:You can't simultaneously say Elon doesn't care who wins while acknowledging that Elon's main goal is to profit while also stating he is supporting the one candidate that he knows will help him profit.

This is too tight a circular argument.

You think Elon is throwing hundreds of millions of dollars and collectively billions of dollars because he doesn't support Trump? This is a bit of nonsense.

Fair enough.
Let me rephrase it….

Elon knows regardless if Trump wins, he has gained support/sales from far right population, who had previously refused to buy any clean energy product. So money supporting Trump was well spent.

Elon has ALWAYS been about promoting his products, boosting sales and getting richer. Don’t think he is swayed by WHO wins based on any other platform stance.

But as I mentioned above, Elon would benefit MORE financially if Trump won. Therefore I concede your point how my statement that he does not care is wrong.

Semantics and failure to convey main point aside , think we both agree that Musk’s only goal is to make more money. And will say or promote those who make that possible. Regardless of ethics, morals and any other value.

I don't agree with that statement. If Trump wins, Elon gains Trump's support. Winning the election does nothing for Elon's Tesla business in terms of sales from those who voted for Trump in this election. If you think otherwise, please explain how all of those voters without the $ to buy Tesla's will now buy them?

It's no secret the right has been against EV's and clean energy.
Nor that companies like Tesla have been trying to change the rights perception.
https://www.eenews.net/articles/whats-behind-the-republican-hatred-of-evs/
It does not line up with their love of big oil and big trucks.
And if you think Trumpers do not have money, you are mistaken.
So yes, do think Musk feels this was good for business.
As his idea that a Truck EV would be accepted by them as well.
Will it work? Who the hell knows.

Don't see how that changes my opinion that Musk is doing this all for profit and money. Regardless of who wins. Just an opinion.

But hey, maybe you are right and he has other reasons.

Musk 2028?