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Clean
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6/2/2023  1:58 PM
These days the things that gets me excited about basketball the most is high IQ players and coaches.
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6/2/2023  2:26 PM
Clean wrote:These days the things that gets me excited about basketball the most is high IQ players and coaches.

Same. It is the reason I think the Knicks probably move on from both Randle and RJ at the right time.

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6/2/2023  2:26 PM
Clean wrote:These days the things that gets me excited about basketball the most is high IQ players and coaches.

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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ToddTT wrote:
Clean wrote:These days the things that gets me excited about basketball the most is high IQ players and coaches.

OK, that was good. Joker is something special.
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6/2/2023  6:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/2/2023  6:20 PM
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:These days the things that gets me excited about basketball the most is high IQ players and coaches.

Same. It is the reason I think the Knicks probably move on from both Randle and RJ at the right time.


They put supporting players around Jokic who know and accept their respective roles. Murray is basically the only starter besides Jokic who seems to be given the go ahead to go 1/1 on a regular basis.

They all move without the ball when Joker has it BECAUSE THEY KNOW JOKIC WILL REWARD THEM FOR THEIR EFFORTS. Guys cut to the basket all the time, and set up on the outside knowing Jokic won't just take the ball down low all the time attempting to score.

Brunson, Randle, and Barrett can all pass the ball. They aren't assist savants like NJ, but can pass the ball. The problem is that all three, including Brunson, are over-dribbling while looking for their shot, and frequently ignoring other players, who don't move to get into position for open shots because they realize they won't be passed to.

No, this is not always the case for us, of course, but watching Denver, and also Miami, makes you understand that team ball is something you should strive for, and something you have to establish, practice, and stick to, during the regular season.

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CleaverGreene wrote:
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:These days the things that gets me excited about basketball the most is high IQ players and coaches.

Same. It is the reason I think the Knicks probably move on from both Randle and RJ at the right time.


They put supporting players around Jokic who know and accept their respective roles. Murray is basically the only starter besides Jokic who seems to be given the go ahead to go 1/1 on a regular basis.

They all move without the ball when Joker has it BECAUSE THEY KNOW JOKIC WILL REWARD THEM FOR THEIR EFFORTS. Guys cut to the basket all the time, and set up on the outside knowing Jokic won't just take the ball down low all the time attempting to score.

Brunson, Randle, and Barrett can all pass the ball. They aren't assist savants like NJ, but can pass the ball. The problem is that all three, including Brunson, are over-dribbling while looking for their shot, and frequently ignoring other players, who don't move to get into position for open shots because they realize they won't be passed to.

No, this is not always the case for us, of course, but watching Denver, and also Miami, makes you understand that team ball is something you should strive for, and something you have to establish, practice, and stick to, during the regular season.

For me RJ sucks at passing. Randle is a willing passer but more of a desperation, needs an outlet cause he can’t shot the ball passer although once in a while facilitates. And Brunson should be better a passer than I thought I saw this season and hopefully will get better.

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6/2/2023  7:57 PM
martin wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:These days the things that gets me excited about basketball the most is high IQ players and coaches.

Same. It is the reason I think the Knicks probably move on from both Randle and RJ at the right time.


They put supporting players around Jokic who know and accept their respective roles. Murray is basically the only starter besides Jokic who seems to be given the go ahead to go 1/1 on a regular basis.

They all move without the ball when Joker has it BECAUSE THEY KNOW JOKIC WILL REWARD THEM FOR THEIR EFFORTS. Guys cut to the basket all the time, and set up on the outside knowing Jokic won't just take the ball down low all the time attempting to score.

Brunson, Randle, and Barrett can all pass the ball. They aren't assist savants like NJ, but can pass the ball. The problem is that all three, including Brunson, are over-dribbling while looking for their shot, and frequently ignoring other players, who don't move to get into position for open shots because they realize they won't be passed to.

No, this is not always the case for us, of course, but watching Denver, and also Miami, makes you understand that team ball is something you should strive for, and something you have to establish, practice, and stick to, during the regular season.

For me RJ sucks at passing. Randle is a willing passer but more of a desperation, needs an outlet cause he can’t shot the ball passer although once in a while facilitates. And Brunson should be better a passer than I thought I saw this season and hopefully will get better.

I feel like it’s a whole team problem, as guys aren’t always providing good targets for a pass.

MIP Randle averaged 6 assists per game… but it seemed like there was often a good outlet (frequently Bullock) … up until the playoffs rolled around.

I keep hoping that with time/continuity, ball movement will improve. So I won’t cry if we run it back.

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6/2/2023  8:26 PM
ToddTT wrote:
martin wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:These days the things that gets me excited about basketball the most is high IQ players and coaches.

Same. It is the reason I think the Knicks probably move on from both Randle and RJ at the right time.


They put supporting players around Jokic who know and accept their respective roles. Murray is basically the only starter besides Jokic who seems to be given the go ahead to go 1/1 on a regular basis.

They all move without the ball when Joker has it BECAUSE THEY KNOW JOKIC WILL REWARD THEM FOR THEIR EFFORTS. Guys cut to the basket all the time, and set up on the outside knowing Jokic won't just take the ball down low all the time attempting to score.

Brunson, Randle, and Barrett can all pass the ball. They aren't assist savants like NJ, but can pass the ball. The problem is that all three, including Brunson, are over-dribbling while looking for their shot, and frequently ignoring other players, who don't move to get into position for open shots because they realize they won't be passed to.

No, this is not always the case for us, of course, but watching Denver, and also Miami, makes you understand that team ball is something you should strive for, and something you have to establish, practice, and stick to, during the regular season.

For me RJ sucks at passing. Randle is a willing passer but more of a desperation, needs an outlet cause he can’t shot the ball passer although once in a while facilitates. And Brunson should be better a passer than I thought I saw this season and hopefully will get better.

I feel like it’s a whole team problem, as guys aren’t always providing good targets for a pass.

MIP Randle averaged 6 assists per game… but it seemed like there was often a good outlet (frequently Bullock) … up until the playoffs rolled around.

I keep hoping that with time/continuity, ball movement will improve. So I won’t cry if we run it back.

Randle is really athletic and quick but completely predictable once you can get a whole lineup to prepare for the moves he has, and Randle really has not many counters against solid D.

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6/2/2023  9:59 PM
Nalod wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:How long until training camp?

Aaron Rodgers already injured and the jets don’t want to sign a real backup qb

Wilson is not the back up?

What’s that?
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Chandler wrote:
Nalod wrote:Grateful for Breen but Mark Jax and mr Contrarian JVG is really annoying.
Love JVG the coach of Knicks. The color man on a broadcast? Pass.
Prefer SVG.

agree. JVG's act is old and some of his ideas are nuts -- including his recent one to eliminate free throws. Mark Jax was never good IMO. I also find it strange he keeps sayin hand-down man-down. Isn't that a reference to gun violence, as are players' (including Melo's) three shots to the head. Seems very funny they allow that. We deserve better

would like to see some new people given a shot. Mark Jones and his fish-grease are tired too. ANd Reggie Miller and his blatant biases need a rest. I generally think he can do a good to great job but if certain teams are playing (not just Knicks) i find him unbearable.

Mark Jackson makes me want to dunk my head in a bucket of Quikrete.

No wonder he hasn’t gotten a job since GSW.
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ToddTT wrote:
Chandler wrote:
Nalod wrote:Grateful for Breen but Mark Jax and mr Contrarian JVG is really annoying.
Love JVG the coach of Knicks. The color man on a broadcast? Pass.
Prefer SVG.

agree. JVG's act is old and some of his ideas are nuts -- including his recent one to eliminate free throws. Mark Jax was never good IMO. I also find it strange he keeps sayin hand-down man-down. Isn't that a reference to gun violence, as are players' (including Melo's) three shots to the head. Seems very funny they allow that. We deserve better

would like to see some new people given a shot. Mark Jones and his fish-grease are tired too. ANd Reggie Miller and his blatant biases need a rest. I generally think he can do a good to great job but if certain teams are playing (not just Knicks) i find him unbearable.

Mark Jackson makes me want to dunk my head in a bucket of Quikrete.

He'd turn it into a baptism.
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6/3/2023  2:11 PM
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:These days the things that gets me excited about basketball the most is high IQ players and coaches.

Same. It is the reason I think the Knicks probably move on from both Randle and RJ at the right time.

You both had me at Hello.
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6/4/2023  9:07 PM
Game 1...


                    1    2    3    4     T
                   --   --   --   --   ---
Heat 44-38         20   22   21   30    93
Nuggets 53-29      29   30   25   20   104
STARTERS              MINS   PTS     FG    3PT     FT  OFF  DEF  REB  AST   TO  STL  BLK   PF  +/-
--------------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
G. Vincent G            37    19   7-14   5-10    0-0    1    1    2    5    1    0    1    1    0
M. Strus G              21     0   0-10    0-9    0-0    0    5    5    3    0    0    0    0  -12
J. Butler F             38    13   6-14    1-2    0-0    3    4    7    7    1    1    1    1  -17
C. Martin F             24     3    1-7    1-2    0-0    1    3    4    0    0    1    1    3  -10
B. Adebayo C            39    26  13-25    0-1    0-0    4    9   13    5    1    0    0    4   -6
BENCH                 MINS   PTS     FG    3PT     FT  OFF  DEF  REB  AST   TO  STL  BLK   PF  +/-
--------------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
K. Lowry                25    11    4-8    3-6    0-0    0    5    5    5    2    1    0    1    2
H. Highsmith            23    18   7-10    2-4    2-2    1    1    2    0    1    2    1    2   -3
D. Robinson             21     3    1-6    1-5    0-0    0    1    1    1    1    0    0    2   -4
C. Zeller                7     0    0-1    0-0    0-0    1    2    3    0    1    0    0    1   -5
O. Yurtseven                   0    0-0    0-0    0-0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
N. Jovic                       0    0-1    0-0    0-0    0    1    1    0    0    0    0    0    0
K. Love                DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
U. Haslem              DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
STARTERS              MINS   PTS     FG    3PT     FT  OFF  DEF  REB  AST   TO  STL  BLK   PF  +/-
--------------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
J. Murray G             44    26  11-22    2-7    2-2    1    5    6   10    3    1    0    2    9
K. Caldwell-Pope G      36     7    3-8    1-3    0-2    1    2    3    0    1    1    0    2    5
A. Gordon F             36    16   7-10    0-1    2-2    2    4    6    1    0    0    1    0   15
M. Porter Jr. F         43    14   5-16   2-11    2-2    2   11   13    1    0    0    2    0   20
N. Jokic C              40    27   8-12    1-2  10-12    0   10   10   14    2    1    1    1   14
BENCH                 MINS   PTS     FG    3PT     FT  OFF  DEF  REB  AST   TO  STL  BLK   PF  +/-
--------------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
B. Brown                20    10    4-7    2-3    0-0    0    5    5    2    3    1    0    1    1
J. Green                10     4    2-3    0-0    0-0    0    1    1    0    0    0    0    0   -8
C. Braun                 8     0    0-1    0-0    0-0    0    1    1    1    1    0    0    2   -1
R. Jackson             DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
I. Smith               DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
T. Bryant              DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
D. Jordan              DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
V. Cancar              DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
P. Watson              DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
Z. Nnaji               DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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ToddBoTT doing Finals work.... nice!
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6/4/2023  10:40 PM
So guess the Heat aren’t getting swept. Heat in 5?
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I was going to enjoy a sweep of the Heat. Oh well. The +/-'s are bizarre...


                    1    2    3    4     T
                   --   --   --   --   ---
Heat 44-38         26   25   24   36   111
Nuggets 53-29      23   34   26   25   108
STARTERS              MINS   PTS     FG    3PT     FT  OFF  DEF  REB  AST   TO  STL  BLK   PF  +/-
--------------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
G. Vincent G            31    23   8-12    4-6    3-3    0    0    0    3    1    2    0    4   22
M. Strus G              29    14   4-10   4-10    2-3    0    2    2    6    0    0    1    3   14
K. Love F               22     6    2-9    2-6    0-0    3    7   10    1    0    2    0    0   18
J. Butler F             40    21   7-19    2-5    5-5    2    2    4    9    1    0    0    0    3
B. Adebayo C            40    21   8-14    0-0    5-5    0    9    9    4    3    0    2    4   17
BENCH                 MINS   PTS     FG    3PT     FT  OFF  DEF  REB  AST   TO  STL  BLK   PF  +/-
--------------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
K. Lowry                23     9    2-4    2-3    3-3    0    0    0    3    3    0    0    3  -15
C. Martin               21     3    1-3    1-2    0-0    2    3    5    1    2    1    1    1   -7
D. Robinson             17    10    4-5    2-3    0-1    0    0    0    1    0    0    0    2   -6
C. Zeller                8     4    2-2    0-0    0-0    0    0    0    0    1    0    0    3  -14
H. Highsmith             6     0    0-0    0-0    0-0    1    0    1    0    0    0    0    2  -17
O. Yurtseven           DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
N. Jovic               DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
U. Haslem              DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
STARTERS              MINS   PTS     FG    3PT     FT  OFF  DEF  REB  AST   TO  STL  BLK   PF  +/-
--------------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
J. Murray G             38    18   7-15    3-8    1-1    1    3    4   10    1    1    0    2   -2
K. Caldwell-Pope G      36     6    1-4    1-3    3-3    0    3    3    3    1    1    1    6  -14
A. Gordon F             38    12    5-7    2-2    0-2    1    6    7    2    0    0    1    3   -7
M. Porter Jr. F         26     5    2-8    1-6    0-0    1    5    6    0    1    0    0    2  -15
N. Jokic C              41    41  16-28    2-5    7-8    3    8   11    4    5    0    0    3  -11
BENCH                 MINS   PTS     FG    3PT     FT  OFF  DEF  REB  AST   TO  STL  BLK   PF  +/-
--------------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
B. Brown                27    11    4-9    1-3    2-2    1    4    5    0    3    2    0    1   14
J. Green                15     9    1-1    1-1    6-6    1    0    1    1    1    0    0    2   12
C. Braun                15     6    3-3    0-0    0-0    1    0    1    3    1    3    0    2    8
P. Watson              DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
I. Smith               DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
Z. Nnaji               DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
D. Jordan              DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
R. Jackson             DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
V. Cancar              DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
T. Bryant              DNP     -      -      -      -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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Feel like this is half the Knicks players

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Man, get us some Gabe Vincent. Offer him a deal and sign and trade with Evans contract, and a protected first and Deuce. Then you can sign some more talent with the MLE like Divicenzo and trade IQ and Mitch for KP. Brunson/Vincent, Grimes/ Divenzo, RJ/Hart, Randal/Obi, KP/Heart. Plus still have picks and talent to trade. I don't know I am on a KP kick
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