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Nalod
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7/2/2021  3:36 PM
KnickDanger wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
"Anthony Davis, you're going to be our Magic. Horton-Tucker, we're going to make you our second Lebron. Kuz...we're going to get you right! You're going to be our Paul George. Caruso is going to be our Luka. Remember, you keep what you kill! After Lebron is finished eating of course..."

Sign 4 year deal. Coach 1 season. Start second season and get fired couple months before COVID kicks in. Lounge with hot wife during COVID while getting paaaaaiiiiiid. Sign new deal with Lakers while still getting paaaaiiidd by Knicks after majority of COVID dissipates.

Life is good for Fiz.

Not bad for maybe the worst nba head coach ever


I'm surprised this guy was getting interviews.

I think Fiz is really well liked among nba circles. Spoelstra was practically crying when he found out we fired Fiz


But who cares if people like him he’s still a trash head coach

Fizdale might be the worst coach we ever had - no small feat.

I winning % matters, and it does. Fiz’s .202% coaching 104 games was the worst.
Larry Brown is second.

Is Larry the worst? WOrse then Fish? (Was Phil Racist?)
% wise he was. Larry in the HOF and the only dude with a chip in both College and pros!

Fiz sucked as knicks coach. Nothing but bad.
He was not that bad with Memphis.
And he was the “it guy” coming out of Miami.

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Philc1
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7/3/2021  12:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2021  12:19 PM
Nalod wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
"Anthony Davis, you're going to be our Magic. Horton-Tucker, we're going to make you our second Lebron. Kuz...we're going to get you right! You're going to be our Paul George. Caruso is going to be our Luka. Remember, you keep what you kill! After Lebron is finished eating of course..."

Sign 4 year deal. Coach 1 season. Start second season and get fired couple months before COVID kicks in. Lounge with hot wife during COVID while getting paaaaaiiiiiid. Sign new deal with Lakers while still getting paaaaiiidd by Knicks after majority of COVID dissipates.

Life is good for Fiz.

Not bad for maybe the worst nba head coach ever


I'm surprised this guy was getting interviews.

I think Fiz is really well liked among nba circles. Spoelstra was practically crying when he found out we fired Fiz


But who cares if people like him he’s still a trash head coach

Fizdale might be the worst coach we ever had - no small feat.

I winning % matters, and it does. Fiz’s .202% coaching 104 games was the worst.
Larry Brown is second.

Is Larry the worst? WOrse then Fish? (Was Phil Racist?)
% wise he was. Larry in the HOF and the only dude with a chip in both College and pros!

Fiz sucked as knicks coach. Nothing but bad.
He was not that bad with Memphis.
And he was the “it guy” coming out of Miami.

Larry Brown sucked in his tenure here. He had a badly constructed roster and could not get along with Marbury at all. I think as soon as he got paid, showed up to training camp, realized the team sucked he gave up and acted like a crabby old man until he forced Dolan to fire him and then cried like a b tch about getting fired


Fiz isn’t just statistically the worst NBA head coach ever he is the worst head coach ever. He can’t make adjustments and he has a very negative toxic air about him. Kinda similar to Adam Gase in the NFL but Gase was more flamboyant about promoting what a toxic person he was

Philc1
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7/3/2021  12:21 PM
KnickDanger wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
"Anthony Davis, you're going to be our Magic. Horton-Tucker, we're going to make you our second Lebron. Kuz...we're going to get you right! You're going to be our Paul George. Caruso is going to be our Luka. Remember, you keep what you kill! After Lebron is finished eating of course..."

Sign 4 year deal. Coach 1 season. Start second season and get fired couple months before COVID kicks in. Lounge with hot wife during COVID while getting paaaaaiiiiiid. Sign new deal with Lakers while still getting paaaaiiidd by Knicks after majority of COVID dissipates.

Life is good for Fiz.

Not bad for maybe the worst nba head coach ever


I'm surprised this guy was getting interviews.

I think Fiz is really well liked among nba circles. Spoelstra was practically crying when he found out we fired Fiz


But who cares if people like him he’s still a trash head coach

Fizdale might be the worst coach we ever had - no small feat.

One of the few times I ever saw him smile on the sidelines we were down by 40 against the bucks

wargames
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7/3/2021  2:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2021  2:18 PM
Philc1 wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
"Anthony Davis, you're going to be our Magic. Horton-Tucker, we're going to make you our second Lebron. Kuz...we're going to get you right! You're going to be our Paul George. Caruso is going to be our Luka. Remember, you keep what you kill! After Lebron is finished eating of course..."

Sign 4 year deal. Coach 1 season. Start second season and get fired couple months before COVID kicks in. Lounge with hot wife during COVID while getting paaaaaiiiiiid. Sign new deal with Lakers while still getting paaaaiiidd by Knicks after majority of COVID dissipates.

Life is good for Fiz.

Not bad for maybe the worst nba head coach ever


I'm surprised this guy was getting interviews.

I think Fiz is really well liked among nba circles. Spoelstra was practically crying when he found out we fired Fiz


But who cares if people like him he’s still a trash head coach

Fizdale might be the worst coach we ever had - no small feat.

One of the few times I ever saw him smile on the sidelines we were down by 40 against the bucks


It was Isiah, Fisher and Rambis… Fizdale was really bad but those three were putrid
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Nalod
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7/3/2021  5:36 PM
Philc1 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
"Anthony Davis, you're going to be our Magic. Horton-Tucker, we're going to make you our second Lebron. Kuz...we're going to get you right! You're going to be our Paul George. Caruso is going to be our Luka. Remember, you keep what you kill! After Lebron is finished eating of course..."

Sign 4 year deal. Coach 1 season. Start second season and get fired couple months before COVID kicks in. Lounge with hot wife during COVID while getting paaaaaiiiiiid. Sign new deal with Lakers while still getting paaaaiiidd by Knicks after majority of COVID dissipates.

Life is good for Fiz.

Not bad for maybe the worst nba head coach ever


I'm surprised this guy was getting interviews.

I think Fiz is really well liked among nba circles. Spoelstra was practically crying when he found out we fired Fiz


But who cares if people like him he’s still a trash head coach

Fizdale might be the worst coach we ever had - no small feat.

I winning % matters, and it does. Fiz’s .202% coaching 104 games was the worst.
Larry Brown is second.

Is Larry the worst? WOrse then Fish? (Was Phil Racist?)
% wise he was. Larry in the HOF and the only dude with a chip in both College and pros!

Fiz sucked as knicks coach. Nothing but bad.
He was not that bad with Memphis.
And he was the “it guy” coming out of Miami.

Larry Brown sucked in his tenure here. He had a badly constructed roster and could not get along with Marbury at all. I think as soon as he got paid, showed up to training camp, realized the team sucked he gave up and acted like a crabby old man until he forced Dolan to fire him and then cried like a b tch about getting fired


Fiz isn’t just statistically the worst NBA head coach ever he is the worst head coach ever. He can’t make adjustments and he has a very negative toxic air about him. Kinda similar to Adam Gase in the NFL but Gase was more flamboyant about promoting what a toxic person he was

Statistically the worst Knick coach.
As for brown, he had a 5 year contract and had roster issues. He was the wrong coach with this group. He did not get philosophically with Isiah and it was bad. The other parts your making up.
He was basically put in a scenario where Team wanted him to resign. They froze him out. It was weird as hell.
I’m not saying Larry did a bang up job by any stretch but it was a low point in Knick Front office. Isiah was made to coach by Dolan. As ****ed up as that is on its own, Dolan himself should not be the one determining the best coach for the franchise. Knicks behaved badly.

Larry did not get on with Marbury. Marbury did a bit better with Isiah. MDA exiled his ass after a season.
Low point in knick history. Larry did not cry like a bitch after getting fired. He protested his unusual treatment. One can surmise that stern mediated a settle that paid him 24m of the 41mm due his contract for one year of coaching that he found both parties did not act in good faith. So Larry got a **** ton of money mostly finds him partially to blame and knicks acted egregiously.

He might not like the job he did. The pressure he put on Isiah to make trades. This was Larry before you bring him on and Isiah hired this dude. Larry won were ever he went. Don’t forget that.

ToddTT
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7/3/2021  8:44 PM
Trae not getting a bull**** call 40 seconds in.

Missing a shot from the logo.

Turning the ball over.

Bucks up 13-4.

Enjoyable 1st quarter so far.

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
ToddTT
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7/3/2021  10:29 PM
A quarter to go, but the Hawks are not winning this.

Was this year their best shot?

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
wargames
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7/4/2021  1:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/4/2021  1:07 AM
ToddTT wrote:A quarter to go, but the Hawks are not winning this.

Was this year their best shot?

Maybe. Until the ECF they were healthy at the right time. Plus unlike this year, other teams won’t be caught off guard by how they play, due to injuries there wasn’t tape of what they could do. Also Collins is going to get paid and they will have to make a decision on that.

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HofstraBBall
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7/4/2021  7:43 AM
wargames wrote:
ToddTT wrote:A quarter to go, but the Hawks are not winning this.

Was this year their best shot?

Maybe. Until the ECF they were healthy at the right time. Plus unlike this year, other teams won’t be caught off guard by how they play, due to injuries there wasn’t tape of what they could do. Also Collins is going to get paid and they will have to make a decision on that.

Hawks have a very good young team. Do not see them dropping off much.

Btw. For those saying Middleton was not worth a max, they may want to remember his third quarter yesterday.

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martin
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7/4/2021  11:45 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
wargames wrote:
ToddTT wrote:A quarter to go, but the Hawks are not winning this.

Was this year their best shot?

Maybe. Until the ECF they were healthy at the right time. Plus unlike this year, other teams won’t be caught off guard by how they play, due to injuries there wasn’t tape of what they could do. Also Collins is going to get paid and they will have to make a decision on that.

Hawks have a very good young team. Do not see them dropping off much.

Btw. For those saying Middleton was not worth a max, they may want to remember his third quarter yesterday.

I didn't catch game but read Jrue's defense was pretty disruptive too?

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7/4/2021  12:06 PM
Hawks are deep. Deandre hunter looked good. Okungwu (sp?) has looked good. Biggest issue in my mind is their huge dependence on trae distributing the ball. Still think the way to play them is try and take away traes drives and dishes. An u need to punish trae on the other end
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martin
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7/4/2021  12:17 PM
Chandler wrote:Hawks are deep. Deandre hunter looked good. Okungwu (sp?) has looked good. Biggest issue in my mind is their huge dependence on trae distributing the ball. Still think the way to play them is try and take away traes drives and dishes. An u need to punish trae on the other end

Anyone think it would be totally wild if Atlanta drafted Sharife Cooper at #20 as a mini me Trae?

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7/5/2021  6:26 PM
Wow...I'm glad KD and Kyrie didn't come despite Mills and Perry's repeated attempts at fellating. That franchise is literally being held hostage.
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wargames
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7/5/2021  7:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/5/2021  7:37 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Wow...I'm glad KD and Kyrie didn't come despite Mills and Perry's repeated attempts at fellating. That franchise is literally being held hostage.

Some of this stuff sounds like they are breaking the rules. Teams can’t give player’s money outside of their contracts. At least not as described in this book. I wonder if the league will investigate?

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7/5/2021  8:44 PM
wargames wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Wow...I'm glad KD and Kyrie didn't come despite Mills and Perry's repeated attempts at fellating. That franchise is literally being held hostage.

Some of this stuff sounds like they are breaking the rules. Teams can’t give player’s money outside of their contracts. At least not as described in this book. I wonder if the league will investigate?

Probably not. Joe's Chinese ties are invaluable right now. And let's be honest, this is probably pretty common. But for a team's executive to be so blatant about it is surprising.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
Philc1
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7/6/2021  12:03 AM
wargames wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
"Anthony Davis, you're going to be our Magic. Horton-Tucker, we're going to make you our second Lebron. Kuz...we're going to get you right! You're going to be our Paul George. Caruso is going to be our Luka. Remember, you keep what you kill! After Lebron is finished eating of course..."

Sign 4 year deal. Coach 1 season. Start second season and get fired couple months before COVID kicks in. Lounge with hot wife during COVID while getting paaaaaiiiiiid. Sign new deal with Lakers while still getting paaaaiiidd by Knicks after majority of COVID dissipates.

Life is good for Fiz.

Not bad for maybe the worst nba head coach ever


I'm surprised this guy was getting interviews.

I think Fiz is really well liked among nba circles. Spoelstra was practically crying when he found out we fired Fiz


But who cares if people like him he’s still a trash head coach

Fizdale might be the worst coach we ever had - no small feat.

One of the few times I ever saw him smile on the sidelines we were down by 40 against the bucks


It was Isiah, Fisher and Rambis… Fizdale was really bad but those three were putrid

Isiah was a horrible GM but a mediocre HC. Mediocre > Fiz

Philc1
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7/6/2021  12:05 AM
Nalod wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
"Anthony Davis, you're going to be our Magic. Horton-Tucker, we're going to make you our second Lebron. Kuz...we're going to get you right! You're going to be our Paul George. Caruso is going to be our Luka. Remember, you keep what you kill! After Lebron is finished eating of course..."

Sign 4 year deal. Coach 1 season. Start second season and get fired couple months before COVID kicks in. Lounge with hot wife during COVID while getting paaaaaiiiiiid. Sign new deal with Lakers while still getting paaaaiiidd by Knicks after majority of COVID dissipates.

Life is good for Fiz.

Not bad for maybe the worst nba head coach ever


I'm surprised this guy was getting interviews.

I think Fiz is really well liked among nba circles. Spoelstra was practically crying when he found out we fired Fiz


But who cares if people like him he’s still a trash head coach

Fizdale might be the worst coach we ever had - no small feat.

I winning % matters, and it does. Fiz’s .202% coaching 104 games was the worst.
Larry Brown is second.

Is Larry the worst? WOrse then Fish? (Was Phil Racist?)
% wise he was. Larry in the HOF and the only dude with a chip in both College and pros!

Fiz sucked as knicks coach. Nothing but bad.
He was not that bad with Memphis.
And he was the “it guy” coming out of Miami.

Larry Brown sucked in his tenure here. He had a badly constructed roster and could not get along with Marbury at all. I think as soon as he got paid, showed up to training camp, realized the team sucked he gave up and acted like a crabby old man until he forced Dolan to fire him and then cried like a b tch about getting fired


Fiz isn’t just statistically the worst NBA head coach ever he is the worst head coach ever. He can’t make adjustments and he has a very negative toxic air about him. Kinda similar to Adam Gase in the NFL but Gase was more flamboyant about promoting what a toxic person he was

Statistically the worst Knick coach.
As for brown, he had a 5 year contract and had roster issues. He was the wrong coach with this group. He did not get philosophically with Isiah and it was bad. The other parts your making up.
He was basically put in a scenario where Team wanted him to resign. They froze him out. It was weird as hell.
I’m not saying Larry did a bang up job by any stretch but it was a low point in Knick Front office. Isiah was made to coach by Dolan. As ****ed up as that is on its own, Dolan himself should not be the one determining the best coach for the franchise. Knicks behaved badly.

Larry did not get on with Marbury. Marbury did a bit better with Isiah. MDA exiled his ass after a season.
Low point in knick history. Larry did not cry like a bitch after getting fired. He protested his unusual treatment. One can surmise that stern mediated a settle that paid him 24m of the 41mm due his contract for one year of coaching that he found both parties did not act in good faith. So Larry got a **** ton of money mostly finds him partially to blame and knicks acted egregiously.

He might not like the job he did. The pressure he put on Isiah to make trades. This was Larry before you bring him on and Isiah hired this dude. Larry won were ever he went. Don’t forget that.

I “made everything up” and then you go on to repeat everything I said about Brown’s crappy tenure here. lol

Nalod
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7/6/2021  8:35 AM

Philc1 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
"Anthony Davis, you're going to be our Magic. Horton-Tucker, we're going to make you our second Lebron. Kuz...we're going to get you right! You're going to be our Paul George. Caruso is going to be our Luka. Remember, you keep what you kill! After Lebron is finished eating of course..."

Sign 4 year deal. Coach 1 season. Start second season and get fired couple months before COVID kicks in. Lounge with hot wife during COVID while getting paaaaaiiiiiid. Sign new deal with Lakers while still getting paaaaiiidd by Knicks after majority of COVID dissipates.

Life is good for Fiz.

Not bad for maybe the worst nba head coach ever


I'm surprised this guy was getting interviews.

I think Fiz is really well liked among nba circles. Spoelstra was practically crying when he found out we fired Fiz


But who cares if people like him he’s still a trash head coach

Fizdale might be the worst coach we ever had - no small feat.

I winning % matters, and it does. Fiz’s .202% coaching 104 games was the worst.
Larry Brown is second.

Is Larry the worst? WOrse then Fish? (Was Phil Racist?)
% wise he was. Larry in the HOF and the only dude with a chip in both College and pros!

Fiz sucked as knicks coach. Nothing but bad.
He was not that bad with Memphis.
And he was the “it guy” coming out of Miami.

Larry Brown sucked in his tenure here. He had a badly constructed roster and could not get along with Marbury at all. I think as soon as he got paid, showed up to training camp, realized the team sucked he gave up and acted like a crabby old man until he forced Dolan to fire him and then cried like a b tch about getting fired


Fiz isn’t just statistically the worst NBA head coach ever he is the worst head coach ever. He can’t make adjustments and he has a very negative toxic air about him. Kinda similar to Adam Gase in the NFL but Gase was more flamboyant about promoting what a toxic person he was

Statistically the worst Knick coach.
As for brown, he had a 5 year contract and had roster issues. He was the wrong coach with this group. He did not get philosophically with Isiah and it was bad. The other parts your making up.
He was basically put in a scenario where Team wanted him to resign. They froze him out. It was weird as hell.
I’m not saying Larry did a bang up job by any stretch but it was a low point in Knick Front office. Isiah was made to coach by Dolan. As ****ed up as that is on its own, Dolan himself should not be the one determining the best coach for the franchise. Knicks behaved badly.

Larry did not get on with Marbury. Marbury did a bit better with Isiah. MDA exiled his ass after a season.
Low point in knick history. Larry did not cry like a bitch after getting fired. He protested his unusual treatment. One can surmise that stern mediated a settle that paid him 24m of the 41mm due his contract for one year of coaching that he found both parties did not act in good faith. So Larry got a **** ton of money mostly finds him partially to blame and knicks acted egregiously.

He might not like the job he did. The pressure he put on Isiah to make trades. This was Larry before you bring him on and Isiah hired this dude. Larry won were ever he went. Don’t forget that.

I “made everything up” and then you go on to repeat everything I said about Brown’s crappy tenure here. lol

You over simplify events that had far more context than the outcome. Larry Brown was not crying like a bitch, he was pushed out as a set up to get him to quit. The historical nature of the mediation was fascinating. That it happend as it did was very much a part of his departure. His road side press conferences were unprecedented and yet as with many things you label it in the most simplistic terms.

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7/6/2021  9:16 AM

Matt Sullivan interview……

Did anyone take the nearly one hour to listen? Damning it was also gave some depth to Kyrie which i was glad to understand a bit. Kyrie is not a generational changing personality but he is absorbing the times and feeling it while maintaining a high end career. His reasons for leaving Boston as depicted was fascinating and genuine.
At the same time KD seems to be hoop obsessed stoner which one has to admire his talent. KD only flaw is his thin skinned pushbacks. other than that he is portrayed as a not so interesting guy who might be a bit one dimensional is dedicated to his craft.

I won’t read this book but from the interview its not a simple hit job at taking down these superstars.

Funny that Kobe has so many fans now postpartum. I discussed this a few years ago that many of us fail to see these guys do evolve over time. Lebron is not the same person he was at 20 and has shouldered what it takes to lead teams , is a family man, and does not shy away from stating his opinion. Its not that I agree or not with it but admire him using his platform to voice it. Naturally we tilt to Jordan who took a far more corporate path. That was also a different era to be fair. Kobe was a brash difficulty kid, teammate, son, and husband, and rapist. That he evolved into what he became was impressive. If you don’t keep an open mind to it you won’t see it. Some of you see Lebron the bad GM and floppier and hate him for that. SOme only saw Kobe as the rapist or the incredible hoop he performed. We often don’t see the person growing up.
Kyrie is fascinating and this interview gave us a peek into what makes him tick. I’m not saying t pushed me to fandom or away from being a hater. I don’t have to be thumbs up or down on everyone.
Sullivan’s take on KD was a bit more surprising as one might have thought the paradox of his desire for privacy yet takes his beefs public might reveal more depth. He flat out says he is boring with his obsession to hoop and get high. Maybe that endears me to him a bit more? LOL. I do hate his tweets. Same for Rappaport.
Am I glad they are not Knicks? That they did not succeed this season might make them more interesting as we all hate a prefabricated starphuch allstar lead team. Miami failed its first run of the “Heatles” and perhaps after “enjoying that” I appreciated the runs they made after they stoped pushing back on Spolestra and played defense. Then to watch the speed by which they filled the passing lanes and converted that to points was great basketball. IM a fan of the game and when its played at a high level I put the personalities aside.
People hated Jabbar for his views and expressing them. Same for BIll Russell, Muhammmad Ali, Abdul Rauf and Kapernick. ,. There are many others. It has dawned on me that in a way Kyrie expressing himself is different than other athletes. That he is a high level player is why he gets away with it. He is empowered which makes him hated. He could play for the Celtics but not the city of Boston. Maybe when his career is over things might change and thus how we might view him. We have for the athletes I just mentioned. I’ll keep an open mind.

Chips and respect are earned on the court. Watching Lebron and the Cavs vs the 2016 version of the GSW record breaking season coming back from 1-3 was really a feat to be appreciated. Over the years I had to learn I could not just live and breath with knicks because the failures. Winning is the outcome of a great journey. If that journey is not to happen I have to find interest in others.

Yes, From a basketball stance I would have liked KD and Kyrie as knicks. The rest of the noise perhaps not. That KD came back as he did is a feat to be respected. It happened on the court. Let’s not forget he came back to play in the finals and perhaps his heal was unsteady which is why he tore it. he did that in the face of free agency. Did we all forget this? KD first is a basketball player and he put it all to risk by coming back and then tore his heel. That he is a empty thin skinned personality to be made into a villain is someone’s choice is understandable. But look at what he did on the court. That he was last “Star” standing and executed what he did in game 7. One toe away and hits a buzzer shot to tie the game. One toe back that game, that shot, that goes down as one of the top 10 playoff performances of all time. Maybe non finals performances.
I watched the game with a knick fan friend. We both sat back and said “WOW”!!!!!! They were cooked and lost the game but it was not about the billboard outside the garden (That was done under different ownership BTW, and lets be real, Its not Ike Dolan is someone we are proud of!), it was great basketball drama.

Thats what I crave most as a knick fan. Great basketball games that are meaningful!!!!

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7/6/2021  1:54 PM
Nalod wrote:
Matt Sullivan interview……

Did anyone take the nearly one hour to listen? Damning it was also gave some depth to Kyrie which i was glad to understand a bit. Kyrie is not a generational changing personality but he is absorbing the times and feeling it while maintaining a high end career. His reasons for leaving Boston as depicted was fascinating and genuine.
At the same time KD seems to be hoop obsessed stoner which one has to admire his talent. KD only flaw is his thin skinned pushbacks. other than that he is portrayed as a not so interesting guy who might be a bit one dimensional is dedicated to his craft.

I won’t read this book but from the interview its not a simple hit job at taking down these superstars.

Funny that Kobe has so many fans now postpartum. I discussed this a few years ago that many of us fail to see these guys do evolve over time. Lebron is not the same person he was at 20 and has shouldered what it takes to lead teams , is a family man, and does not shy away from stating his opinion. Its not that I agree or not with it but admire him using his platform to voice it. Naturally we tilt to Jordan who took a far more corporate path. That was also a different era to be fair. Kobe was a brash difficulty kid, teammate, son, and husband, and rapist. That he evolved into what he became was impressive. If you don’t keep an open mind to it you won’t see it. Some of you see Lebron the bad GM and floppier and hate him for that. SOme only saw Kobe as the rapist or the incredible hoop he performed. We often don’t see the person growing up.
Kyrie is fascinating and this interview gave us a peek into what makes him tick. I’m not saying t pushed me to fandom or away from being a hater. I don’t have to be thumbs up or down on everyone.
Sullivan’s take on KD was a bit more surprising as one might have thought the paradox of his desire for privacy yet takes his beefs public might reveal more depth. He flat out says he is boring with his obsession to hoop and get high. Maybe that endears me to him a bit more? LOL. I do hate his tweets. Same for Rappaport.
Am I glad they are not Knicks? That they did not succeed this season might make them more interesting as we all hate a prefabricated starphuch allstar lead team. Miami failed its first run of the “Heatles” and perhaps after “enjoying that” I appreciated the runs they made after they stoped pushing back on Spolestra and played defense. Then to watch the speed by which they filled the passing lanes and converted that to points was great basketball. IM a fan of the game and when its played at a high level I put the personalities aside.
People hated Jabbar for his views and expressing them. Same for BIll Russell, Muhammmad Ali, Abdul Rauf and Kapernick. ,. There are many others. It has dawned on me that in a way Kyrie expressing himself is different than other athletes. That he is a high level player is why he gets away with it. He is empowered which makes him hated. He could play for the Celtics but not the city of Boston. Maybe when his career is over things might change and thus how we might view him. We have for the athletes I just mentioned. I’ll keep an open mind.

Chips and respect are earned on the court. Watching Lebron and the Cavs vs the 2016 version of the GSW record breaking season coming back from 1-3 was really a feat to be appreciated. Over the years I had to learn I could not just live and breath with knicks because the failures. Winning is the outcome of a great journey. If that journey is not to happen I have to find interest in others.

Yes, From a basketball stance I would have liked KD and Kyrie as knicks. The rest of the noise perhaps not. That KD came back as he did is a feat to be respected. It happened on the court. Let’s not forget he came back to play in the finals and perhaps his heal was unsteady which is why he tore it. he did that in the face of free agency. Did we all forget this? KD first is a basketball player and he put it all to risk by coming back and then tore his heel. That he is a empty thin skinned personality to be made into a villain is someone’s choice is understandable. But look at what he did on the court. That he was last “Star” standing and executed what he did in game 7. One toe away and hits a buzzer shot to tie the game. One toe back that game, that shot, that goes down as one of the top 10 playoff performances of all time. Maybe non finals performances.
I watched the game with a knick fan friend. We both sat back and said “WOW”!!!!!! They were cooked and lost the game but it was not about the billboard outside the garden (That was done under different ownership BTW, and lets be real, Its not Ike Dolan is someone we are proud of!), it was great basketball drama.

Thats what I crave most as a knick fan. Great basketball games that are meaningful!!!!


I thought most of the Kyrie and KD stuff was ho hum. I never saw them in terms of black and white to begin with. But the fact that players and management are scared to interact with them is kind of damning. It makes you wonder what kind of leadership exists in the locker room. That dynamic seems shaky.
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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