Philc1 wrote:Frank >>>>> Dennis Smith Loser

DSJ got a bad rap here with his injuries. I’m happy he is getting a fresh start and some run in Detroit. I hope he makes the most of it.

Frank, Elf, Rose and Quick are gonna be fighting for minutes.

Love Quick, but he has to settle down a bit. Frank is coming for his minutes with his play on both sides of the ball. Can’t imagine he will be shooting 100% from 3, but he appears to really have improved that shot.

newyorknewyork wrote:A true high quality starting floor general PG.

Pushing Rose to be a high end back up.
Allowing Quickley & Frank more time on the wing rather than asked to handle pg duties.

Would make the team a 45+ win team with young players only getting better in it.

I just don't know who that PG is that can be had, Lowry?

Ball has come on very strong this past month

15 games
16.5pts 4.5rebs 5.5ast - 45.5 fg% 45.9 3pt% 84.6 ft%

If available, he like Randle may be worth the gamble. Still has high end potential.

Agree....Lowry and CP comes to mind. Payton gives us a look into how a soiid floor general would impact this team. Payton is a good player, but would he ever reach all star level? I've always thought Payton is better as a 6th man on a good team.

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newyorknewyork wrote:

Kemet wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:A true high quality starting floor general PG.

Pushing Rose to be a high end back up.
Allowing Quickley & Frank more time on the wing rather than asked to handle pg duties.

Would make the team a 45+ win team with young players only getting better in it.

I just don't know who that PG is that can be had, Lowry?

Ball has come on very strong this past month

15 games
16.5pts 4.5rebs 5.5ast - 45.5 fg% 45.9 3pt% 84.6 ft%

If available, he like Randle may be worth the gamble. Still has high end potential.

Watching the Heats vs Pelicans game .. Kenny Smith said it several times tonight, "There's no PG in the new NBA!" .... The Pelicans have Bledsoe Lonzo and Hart in the same line-up, while Ingram waist clock dribbling. The Heat have Dragic Nunn and Butler in the same lineup looking for Herro

VS the Spurs, Randle acted as our PG more so than Frank who started at PG did. RJ was 2nd in command. So yes, long are the days of Steve Nash-Jason Kidd type dependency at the PG position. Though guys like Luka & Lebron & Giannis & Simmons etc are pretty much still that, at the forward positions. BUT, if we are looking to reach another level of basketball, and inch closer to contender status. Having that natural floor general who generates shot attempts for teammates, and can knock down the 3. Reducing Randle's work load, less dependency on Rose, Frank & Quickley to handle PG duties. Allowing them to just play to their strengths. Would do wonders in reaching that next level.

In Wins
Elfrid Payton averages 15.4pts 4.2rebs 4.5ast 49%fg 33% 3pt 111 Ortg 105 Drtg
In Losses
Elfrid Payton averages 10.1pts 3.4rebs 2.9ast 39%fg 18% 3pt 90 Ortg 120 Drtg

The key stat to all of this is that the wins 16 games - losses 17 games. Or a 50-50 shot at which Elfrid shows up.

The Spurs/Knicks game made me sick to my stomach making me recall all the Flaws in Thibs one sided coaching with Bulls & Wolves.
The Knicks having No Rose, and No Payton for the Spurs game, had me thinking Frank & Quickley should receive 32 or more minute (not 20 something minute). Especially when the Spurs shut Randle's control of the ball down in the 3rd qtr. of the game outscoring the Knicks 36-21 to boost Spurs lead to 19 points to start the 4th qtr..
Thibs should've experimented with a three-guard trio lineup of IQ/Frank/and RJ controlling the offense would have look helluva lot better than Randle controlling the ball on every offensive-possession for a Spurs STOP in the 2nd half of the game.

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KnickDanger wrote:Okay, we are witnessing another tantalizing Frank spurt -- we've seen it before (though has the shot ever looked this good?). These periods of teasing good to great play haven't ended because "Frank sucks" (or because "Phil sucked" for that matter) but because he hasn't been able to stay on the court. That he has the ability to be at the least a solid NBA contributor hardly seems debatable to me -- just what can he do to stay healthy?

Some injuries just happen to most layers. Some might be his body did not mature. Remember he was still growing his rookie season. We can only speculate. Some see what they see and extrapolate. Some might reason he can grow into it. No way to know for sure. Does the kid work? Does he improve? Is he motivated?
Knicks might let him go and regret it. Might keep him and regret it. Not an easy business to be in!

Seems to me putting in the work isn't the issue for him. Maybe like some other athletes he works out too much (I dunno)? Perhaps the Luka regimen is the way to go! Anyway, I am hoping he can be a good part of a Knicks surge (hard to say "RE-surgence" at this juncture!).