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BRIGGS wrote:I think this is just a common sense answer from my own personal view point. I think its pretty simplistic. African Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime so the police who are in charge of that area have their "eye" on them much more so than other races. I guess from a cops point of view--he is scared or at a minimum heightened when confronted with the possibility of dealing with a higher source of danger. Remember these guys put their lives on the line every day--so you have to factor in their mindset. I think it really is as simple as that. If black people believe that white people have it out for them--my friends--you are dead wrong. White people green people yellow people--most of us have an every day responsibility of family and we are to busy to think about anything other than immediate issue. If it wasnt for what I heard on TV I probably wouldve steered clear of this thread. I believe strongly that Im a decent and honest fellow and answering questions honestly--even if they potentially offend--although im not trying to do that--is just reasonable back and forth recourse on an issue thats been getting a lot of attention. Its disturbing to hear--as a white person--what I believe is some true deep seeded hatred African Americans seem to have. I dont believe in the hood nor do I believe in excuse of race. If race was such an issue why dont Chinese people complain?

My dad died when I was 8. I went to PS 230 in Brooklyn until I was 10 and moved to a small condo in Ct with my two brothers and Mom. I shared a room with my twin brother for 18 years--two pretty big guys in a small room. I didnt have the money for special sneakers or clothes--and I lived in a town that had some money. The money I had was working a paper route that I had to get up at 6 am before school to do shuffling snow or cutting grass. When i was 15 and old enough to work I worked washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant(maybe the worst job on Earth:) I loved and played all sports--I was tall and ended up being a very decent football player. I dedicated time to work hard on my school work every day--no one told me too--my Mom worked---I took it upon myself to be aggressive and compete on my studies while putting effort into working out working--I mean I had ZERO "privilege" believe me. On top of it I was Jewish--and Ive heard my fair amount of derogatory BS--but I just dealt with it and went about my day--majority of people liked my brother and I. My goal was to play football at Syracuse and become a gym teacher or sportscaster because that is what I loved. I ended up at Uconn and had to pay for my own school and soon found out the difference between being good at sports in hS and college were two different beasts--but I played 4 years and worked hard anyway. I stayed and paid at Uconn for 6 years--all the way to an MBA. I wasnt given a penny for help from anyone in my family--I paid for myself by working in the summer. I ended up in the business side by chance--simply thats what my first roommate was there for--so I went with it as well. I got a very decent job right away in NY after graduating--yada yada 8 years later I dont have to work anymore---some luck there and some cahones--but it was built on hard hard work from a young age with absolutely ZERO privilege. Nothing--so when I hear that I dont get it and I dont personally believe in it. I believe in Obama and thats why I voted for him twice. You have to work hard in this world and those who dont get left behind and bitch. Sorry white people dont hate black people yellow people or green people==really I dont even think about it nor do i care because to me its a non issue.. If I was black and lived in the hood--Id work three F jobs and would get the F out to move my family to a decent place. And those who live there and bthc about it--thats on them--no one in this world forces them to be there. And finally like I said--cut the crime rate down and my bet is a lot of good things will happen.

First off, stop generalizing and painting everyone with a broad brush. The majority of black people who live in the inner-city are decent hard working families and quite a few of them have worked hard and are working hard to move to safer areas and or make their community a safer place to live. Not all white people hate blacks, but to think there aren't whites who do hate blacks, again would be ignorant on your part.

The fact that you are saying the color of a persons skin is a non-issue is either ignorance on your part or denial....Do you agree that there is systemic racism in this country?

It persists but I think it has lessened significantly in the last twenty years. It'd help a hell of a lot if the fabulously and unprecedentedly wealthy black athletes like Carmelo Anthony gave up two-thirds of their earnings to inner city issues. Has that notion crossed your mind? To ask him or others to give back? Money talks and genuine untold wealth can help.

I was always of the opinion that black athletes that make it out of the inner city should give back in some way whether its money for youth programs, investing in black businesses or just to give their time. Jim Brown is not acknowledged enough for the charitable work he has done especially going into some of the worse crime infested areas and re-mediating meetings between gang leaders, etc. More athletes and entertainers need to do this because they are revered by many young kids in the inner city and have the resources and influence to provoke change.

For as much sh#t as Marbury has taken, the one great thing he did was help create affordable sneakers for kids. That was big and innovative and I was hoping some athletes would follow his lead.

No question Athletes being more involved will help tremendously. The best and most effective solution is better parenting and more stable homes regardless of what is happening in the streets, education and the job market.

Too simplistic, my friend...and CashMoney himself, can attest to the power of peer pressure.

Parenting and home stability go hand in hand with economic issues. I saw this all the time as a teacher, parents having to work multiple jobs not being able to supervise their children properly.

I saw the thing CashMoney talked about- kids being pressured to be part of groupings which did not appreciate the importance of education.

A late former colleague talked about one African-American student, who I only knew from my work in the Deans Office, as being very intelligent, but influenced by kids who saw the education thing as uncool.

The classic theory is that most things fashioning personality and actions come from the family...but as an educator of many years I simply cannot say that this is always the case, and I have too many examples of this during my career to doubt the power of peer influences.

I wish it was that easy to take the straight and narrow path. I think I was lucky. My father was a teacher and Athletic Director, but he still had to work extra hours to raise 8 kids while my mother gave up her career to be an in-home mother. We were lacking in some things- didn't get a color TV until I was in college, but we had enough money to reside in a nice neighborhood and live somewhat comfortably.

Hard for me to understand poverty myself, though I've seen it, and my school had a large population eligible for free school lunches...a sign of relative poverty or financial duress.

In some cases, your way of thinking works, but the world is much more complicated, IMO.

Walter and Alpha,

I think you both as well as CashMoney cited peer pressure/ influence of kids as factors in viewing education as uncool. I have cited the 73% out of wedlock birthrate for blacks, a number that grew exponentially across all groups including whites with the War on Poverty legislation in the early 60's. Are both, peer thinking and out of wedlock births, cultural norms that need to change?

Backtracking a bit, but having lived through them, one of the biggest blows for progressives and blacks were the 1960's, a period of time which should have been the beginning of a transformation for many in this country.

Politically, the assassinations of John and Robert Kennedy, Malcolm X, and, perhaps more significantly, Martin Luther King, set the Liberal/Progressive/Civil Rights movement back, and in some ways, neutered it. The Vietnam War overshadowed the Great Society and Civil Rights movement, and also affected the nation's politics, and was a tremendous setback for certain groups in this nation.

In general folks are looking at "What," but not "Why," and this is a problem.

Some of the "solutions" presented by folks are ignorantly simplistic. People take the exception and then make it a rule...simply makes no sense.

Most problems seem rooted in poverty and a lack of opportunity. Identifying the "causes of these causes" is not a simple thing.

Racism/prejudice is part of the problem, but not the only thing causing the problem. You really want to create a society where everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed, and that society doesn't exist at this point?

This is a great post!! Thanks for sharing this.

Yea,

You can go back farther then the 60s though. Imagine if Marcus Garvey wasn't imprisoned and deported. Or Black Wall Street was able to prosper and expand. African Americans being able to fall back on that success and be happy to have that as apart of there culture and strive to maintain that level of success over the years. This during the early parts of today's America. The spread of wealth would be a lot different. African Americans also lost a lot of businesses after segregation ended. What if athletes from the negro leagues and African American sports leagues held there ground and maintained there own leagues and forced whites to merge into black owned leagues rather then into white owned leagues.

Yet you had what should have been a perfect storm of legislative victories for progressives/liberals and African Americans in the 60's, and 4 charismatic leaders who were in their prime. Everything was in place.

You had a foundation of legislation and leaders, and yet we were never able to see things play out. You can also add Ted Kennedy's Chappaquiddick moment, which effectively ended his presidential aspirations.

You want to use a Knicks analogy? What happened because of those assassinations in the 60s is comparable (sportswise...you really can't compare the two in terms of real importance, IMO) to Willis Reed's injuries, something I also had to live through. Knicks won 2 titles and had success, but they were never able to reach their full potential as a team because of Willis' injuries. We might very well be looking back at them being a dynasty if not for his physical demise. You had some political and social success in the 60s, but it always seemed incomplete and unfinished.

Achievement, with opportunity for further success. The thing about the 60's which is different from what you are pointing out is that you had quality leadership in place in the government, as well as strong popular leaders in the African American community...and then all of a sudden you didn't have them.

I'm always interested in "turning points," and I see the 60's as a big turning point, and I suppose that being around and seeing it also makes it more significant in my eyes.

You had a dream team in place, and in a few brief moments the dreams were gone.

I agree 100% to what your saying. I was just imagining what if Garvey and BWS were able to lead into that era. Community, Economy, Leadership would have all been in place. And the leaders could have parlayed the advancement of our community and economy from Garvey and BWS into true peace and unity.

meloanyk wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think this is just a common sense answer from my own personal view point. I think its pretty simplistic. African Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime so the police who are in charge of that area have their "eye" on them much more so than other races. I guess from a cops point of view--he is scared or at a minimum heightened when confronted with the possibility of dealing with a higher source of danger. Remember these guys put their lives on the line every day--so you have to factor in their mindset. I think it really is as simple as that. If black people believe that white people have it out for them--my friends--you are dead wrong. White people green people yellow people--most of us have an every day responsibility of family and we are to busy to think about anything other than immediate issue. If it wasnt for what I heard on TV I probably wouldve steered clear of this thread. I believe strongly that Im a decent and honest fellow and answering questions honestly--even if they potentially offend--although im not trying to do that--is just reasonable back and forth recourse on an issue thats been getting a lot of attention. Its disturbing to hear--as a white person--what I believe is some true deep seeded hatred African Americans seem to have. I dont believe in the hood nor do I believe in excuse of race. If race was such an issue why dont Chinese people complain?

My dad died when I was 8. I went to PS 230 in Brooklyn until I was 10 and moved to a small condo in Ct with my two brothers and Mom. I shared a room with my twin brother for 18 years--two pretty big guys in a small room. I didnt have the money for special sneakers or clothes--and I lived in a town that had some money. The money I had was working a paper route that I had to get up at 6 am before school to do shuffling snow or cutting grass. When i was 15 and old enough to work I worked washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant(maybe the worst job on Earth:) I loved and played all sports--I was tall and ended up being a very decent football player. I dedicated time to work hard on my school work every day--no one told me too--my Mom worked---I took it upon myself to be aggressive and compete on my studies while putting effort into working out working--I mean I had ZERO "privilege" believe me. On top of it I was Jewish--and Ive heard my fair amount of derogatory BS--but I just dealt with it and went about my day--majority of people liked my brother and I. My goal was to play football at Syracuse and become a gym teacher or sportscaster because that is what I loved. I ended up at Uconn and had to pay for my own school and soon found out the difference between being good at sports in hS and college were two different beasts--but I played 4 years and worked hard anyway. I stayed and paid at Uconn for 6 years--all the way to an MBA. I wasnt given a penny for help from anyone in my family--I paid for myself by working in the summer. I ended up in the business side by chance--simply thats what my first roommate was there for--so I went with it as well. I got a very decent job right away in NY after graduating--yada yada 8 years later I dont have to work anymore---some luck there and some cahones--but it was built on hard hard work from a young age with absolutely ZERO privilege. Nothing--so when I hear that I dont get it and I dont personally believe in it. I believe in Obama and thats why I voted for him twice. You have to work hard in this world and those who dont get left behind and bitch. Sorry white people dont hate black people yellow people or green people==really I dont even think about it nor do i care because to me its a non issue.. If I was black and lived in the hood--Id work three F jobs and would get the F out to move my family to a decent place. And those who live there and bthc about it--thats on them--no one in this world forces them to be there. And finally like I said--cut the crime rate down and my bet is a lot of good things will happen.

First off, stop generalizing and painting everyone with a broad brush. The majority of black people who live in the inner-city are decent hard working families and quite a few of them have worked hard and are working hard to move to safer areas and or make their community a safer place to live. Not all white people hate blacks, but to think there aren't whites who do hate blacks, again would be ignorant on your part.

The fact that you are saying the color of a persons skin is a non-issue is either ignorance on your part or denial....Do you agree that there is systemic racism in this country?

It persists but I think it has lessened significantly in the last twenty years. It'd help a hell of a lot if the fabulously and unprecedentedly wealthy black athletes like Carmelo Anthony gave up two-thirds of their earnings to inner city issues. Has that notion crossed your mind? To ask him or others to give back? Money talks and genuine untold wealth can help.

I was always of the opinion that black athletes that make it out of the inner city should give back in some way whether its money for youth programs, investing in black businesses or just to give their time. Jim Brown is not acknowledged enough for the charitable work he has done especially going into some of the worse crime infested areas and re-mediating meetings between gang leaders, etc. More athletes and entertainers need to do this because they are revered by many young kids in the inner city and have the resources and influence to provoke change.

For as much sh#t as Marbury has taken, the one great thing he did was help create affordable sneakers for kids. That was big and innovative and I was hoping some athletes would follow his lead.

No question Athletes being more involved will help tremendously. The best and most effective solution is better parenting and more stable homes regardless of what is happening in the streets, education and the job market.

Too simplistic, my friend...and CashMoney himself, can attest to the power of peer pressure.

Parenting and home stability go hand in hand with economic issues. I saw this all the time as a teacher, parents having to work multiple jobs not being able to supervise their children properly.

I saw the thing CashMoney talked about- kids being pressured to be part of groupings which did not appreciate the importance of education.

A late former colleague talked about one African-American student, who I only knew from my work in the Deans Office, as being very intelligent, but influenced by kids who saw the education thing as uncool.

The classic theory is that most things fashioning personality and actions come from the family...but as an educator of many years I simply cannot say that this is always the case, and I have too many examples of this during my career to doubt the power of peer influences.

I wish it was that easy to take the straight and narrow path. I think I was lucky. My father was a teacher and Athletic Director, but he still had to work extra hours to raise 8 kids while my mother gave up her career to be an in-home mother. We were lacking in some things- didn't get a color TV until I was in college, but we had enough money to reside in a nice neighborhood and live somewhat comfortably.

Hard for me to understand poverty myself, though I've seen it, and my school had a large population eligible for free school lunches...a sign of relative poverty or financial duress.

In some cases, your way of thinking works, but the world is much more complicated, IMO.

Walter and Alpha,

I think you both as well as CashMoney cited peer pressure/ influence of kids as factors in viewing education as uncool. I have cited the 73% out of wedlock birthrate for blacks, a number that grew exponentially across all groups including whites with the War on Poverty legislation in the early 60's. Are both, peer thinking and out of wedlock births, cultural norms that need to change?

Backtracking a bit, but having lived through them, one of the biggest blows for progressives and blacks were the 1960's, a period of time which should have been the beginning of a transformation for many in this country.

Politically, the assassinations of John and Robert Kennedy, Malcolm X, and, perhaps more significantly, Martin Luther King, set the Liberal/Progressive/Civil Rights movement back, and in some ways, neutered it. The Vietnam War overshadowed the Great Society and Civil Rights movement, and also affected the nation's politics, and was a tremendous setback for certain groups in this nation.

In general folks are looking at "What," but not "Why," and this is a problem.

Some of the "solutions" presented by folks are ignorantly simplistic. People take the exception and then make it a rule...simply makes no sense.

Most problems seem rooted in poverty and a lack of opportunity. Identifying the "causes of these causes" is not a simple thing.

Racism/prejudice is part of the problem, but not the only thing causing the problem. You really want to create a society where everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed, and that society doesn't exist at this point?

A good post that raises other considerations but I do think some are looking at the whys and raising points about what is holding back a subgroup of blacks from exiting poverty while other minorities advanced without the supports that the Great Society promised. I say the same about sections of the white population. There was the war on Poverty before there was the War on Drugs and it didnt and hasn't accomplish much despite numerous enactments of legislation over the years. The pros and cons of welfare has been argued as it can be trapping despite its merits. Sensitive subject but the Irish, Italians, Jews immigrants faced real discrimination going back and the Asians and many other Eastern immigrants have advanced as a group despite many barriers. Slavery obviously stripped away so much but what is perplexing is that black family structure appeared to have been stronger in the early 60's than before many of these progressive policies were enacted and by some accounts African emigrates are making more strides than Native blacks despite the view that racism still reigns widely. I have witnessed blatant racism to blacks as a younger person and I have also witnessed a different society notwithstanding flaws and inequities that still exist . There is still opportunity here and that is why immigrants flock to get here .I had a cousin who worked for the late Reginald Lewis and a nephew who works for Ronald F Johnson company so blacks can achieve with anyone but education and talent are the great equalizers , the ability to deliver and access to it and well as desire to embrace are keys. Right now, I see a growing divide in the black society between the haves and the have nots and the one difference is the haves are educated and motivated and the have nots are generally not. The same can be said about white society. Identifying the causes of causes seems doable, it is addressing them on multiple fronts that is not simple

I do not think this issues are isolated to US. The human civilization as a whole is at a crossroads.
The societies do not need so many active workers as we have hands available.
And this tendency will only increase.
To have stable society while the population will descent from its current pick to some reasonable level of 2-3 billions world-wide will be challenging.
We need to start using wealth we collected to provide reasonable life-hood to people who will not be able to find any occupation to support them-self.
So far instead we allowing crime, drugs, war, and chaos do the job for us. This can be a self defeating proposition. And for some areas of the world it already played out with civilization descent into primitive age or even case to exist.
As no easy solutions available we in US try to mask this core issue with various race, gender, class related concepts.
In fact this all just a reflection of the same core problem.
US as a country consolidated enormous wealth to create an island of prosperity in the see of despair.
And we have enormous firepower to reinforce this isolation.
This comes with moral implications but provides a huge opportunity to preserve and advance human civilization without huge setbacks we saw in the history like after fall of Rome Empire, the civilizations in Americas, Egypt, China, etc.
The task of this magnitude required enormous leadership which is currently lacking.

By the 19th century, your word is your bond” had ascended into the realms of moralistic cliché. In an 1842 “admonitory epistle from a governess to her late pupils,” for instance, the upstanding educator drills her charges: “Let it be said of you, ‘Your word is your bond.’ ”

But to utter this phrase in the 2016 United States is to invoke an entirely different history. As Geneva Smitherman recounts in Black Talk: Words and Phrases from the Hood to the Amen Corner, yo word is yo bond represents a “resurfacing of an old familiar saying in the Black Oral Tradition.” It was popularized some time after 1964 by the Five Percent Nation, an Islamic group that stressed authenticity and self-knowledge alongside social progressivism. (The affirmation Word is born—a response kind of like Amen that indicates enthusiastic buy-in; also a Run DMC song—is thought to be a “result of the AAE pronunciation of ‘bond,’ ” writes Smitherman.)

The Five Percenters left a deep imprint on hip-hop—and the blogger Patrick has a great, thorough rundown of the cross-pollination between them and rappers like Busta Rhymes and Q-Tip. Jamaican-born rap pioneer Kool Herc enlisted members of FPN in his security team. Emcee Rakim, of the golden age duo Eric B. and Rakim, released a song with the lyrics: “Turn up the bass and let the system thump / A block party starts to form, people start to swarm / Loud as a ghetto blaster, word is bond.”

The phrase soon wended its way toward shibboleth status in the rhymes of artists from Big Daddy Kane (“And I’m lovin’ em right, word is bond”) to LL Cool J (“I do it for you, word is bond.”) As Patrick explains, peak word is bond arrived with the Wu-Tang Clan. The group consciously and deliberately threaded messages from the Five Percent Nation—and the partially overlapping Zulu Nation—into their work. In “Wu-Tang Clan Ain’t Nuthing Ta F’ Wit,” for example, RZA sums it up: “Peace to the ****in Zulu Nation / Peace to all the Gods and the Earths, word is bond.”

So when Michelle Obama told convention-goers that her word was her bond, she was both retrieving a powerful saw from the ethical canon and, perhaps, signifying to black listeners. When Melania Trump stole her language, she signified too: that she was clueless, sure, but in the signature American way of a white woman who takes from a black woman without any real sense of what she’s talking about.

- Katy Waldman

Word.

arkrud - Apply the process of vetting all information that claims to be original, and the fundamental idea of TRUTH, to the highest office in the land and you may get the idea. It is not the speech but the clumsy defense of a dysfunctional process on something so simple as a speech.

Now apply that amateurism to an international discussion on nuclear warfare.

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:

misterearl wrote:What Really Happened

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I can't fathom why anyone would vote for Hillary. What does she know about creating jobs? A former lawyer who spent all these years working in the federal government and not the private sector where building and job creation takes place

Same can be said of Obama, and Carter, and Bill Clinton, no?

I wonder how many of those jobs are government created jobs.

It be almost as easy to look that up and come tell us.

meloandnyk - rather than speculate, it helps to research.

"... a more convincing explanation is coming into view. NBC News has obtained a copy of the original speech prepared for Mrs. Trump, as written by veteran speechwriters Matthew Scully and John McConnell (the scribes provided corroborating emails). According to the network, the first draft did not include any recycled Michelle Obama material.

But Melania was reportedly “uncomfortable” with that text, and set about drastically rewriting it, to make it more her own — and ended up making it, transparently, someone else’s.

Per, the New York Times:

It was Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and top adviser, who commissioned the speech from Mr. Scully and Mr. McConnell — and praised their draft. But Ms. Trump decided to revise it, and at one point she turned to a trusted hand: Meredith McIver, a New York City-based former ballet dancer and English major who has worked on some of Mr. Trump’s books, including “Think Like a Billionaire.” It was not clear how much of a hand Ms. McIver had in the final product, and she did not respond to an email on Tuesday.

Research for the speech, it seems, drew them to the previous convention speeches delivered by candidates’ spouses.
From the Times’ report, it’s not totally clear whether their sources have specific evidence for McIver’s involvement in the fatal error. But NBC names another individual who dropped the ball:

The campaign repeatedly refused to identify who, if anyone, helped her craft the speech, though multiple sources told NBC News that Rick Gates, a top aide and ally of Manafort, signed off on the final text.

Not sure why the speech of Clowns wife being copycat from Lame Duck wife is significant?

A campaign is a preview of a potential administration.

This would have been over with Monday night if they knew what to do. The fact they fumbled what should have putting this to sleep quickly is the relevant part.

--->One can argue it should not be, but if the Trump campaign didn't know this would be the reaction, or didn't think they'd be caught, that's informative.

Kind of like when Hillary Clinton flipped back over to sleep at 3 am when Americans were being slaughtered in Benghazi or moving classified information for her state office to her private home/server.

Im voting for Trump for only 1 reason. There is NO doubt--NO doubt in my mind that building a southern border wall ALLOWING border agents to do their job aggressively and removing hundreds of thousands of illegal Mexican immigrants who are embedded by drug cartels will atleast diminish drug movement in the US. I watched the news in CT last night and they did a whole segment on people who went through the process to become American citizens and its just NOT fair that they had to do that--and millions of people who work and dont pay taxes many who are embedded just to circulate drugs do not. I dont know what Hillary stands for--she has no policy shes a liar and shes paid for. She would be a disgrace as the first women's President--shes had her time.

http://ktla.com/2016/07/19/ohio-woman-who-traded-daughter-for-heroin-gets-51-years-to-life/

Absolute f disgrace of human beings

BRIGGS - nah, the only reason you are voting for Donald Trump is that he gives voice to fear and resentment that people are afraid to voice in public.

Would the wall have stopped Timothy McVeigh from detonating a two-ton truck bomb that felled the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people?

A wall. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im voting for Trump for only 1 reason. There is NO doubt--NO doubt in my mind that building a southern border wall ALLOWING border agents to do their job aggressively and removing hundreds of thousands of illegal Mexican immigrants who are embedded by drug cartels will atleast diminish drug movement in the US.

So the fact the idea is ludicrous and impractical and will in no way be built a factor in your decision making?

Making the ridiculous promise he knows he can't keep is good enough?

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im voting for Trump for only 1 reason. There is NO doubt--NO doubt in my mind that building a southern border wall ALLOWING border agents to do their job aggressively and removing hundreds of thousands of illegal Mexican immigrants who are embedded by drug cartels will atleast diminish drug movement in the US.

So the fact the idea is ludicrous and impractical and will in no way be built a factor in your decision making?

Making the ridiculous promise he knows he can't keep is good enough?

Whatever type of wall it is--whether physical virtual both in COMBINATION with a serious crackdown on illegal immigration in this country and namely THEIR EMPLOYERS will have SIGNIFICANT effect on cracking down on drugs. And Im quite sure that is what he is saying and it makes a ton of sense.

No, that isn't what he is saying at all.

He is saying quite clearly he will build a physical wall and that he will get mexico to pay for it.

Do you believe him or not?

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im voting for Trump for only 1 reason. There is NO doubt--NO doubt in my mind that building a southern border wall ALLOWING border agents to do their job aggressively and removing hundreds of thousands of illegal Mexican immigrants who are embedded by drug cartels will atleast diminish drug movement in the US.

So the fact the idea is ludicrous and impractical and will in no way be built a factor in your decision making?

Making the ridiculous promise he knows he can't keep is good enough?

Whatever type of wall it is--whether physical virtual both in COMBINATION with a serious crackdown on illegal immigration in this country and namely THEIR EMPLOYERS will have SIGNIFICANT effect on cracking down on drugs. And Im quite sure that is what he is saying and it makes a ton of sense.

No, that isn't what he is saying at all.

He is saying quite clearly he will build a physical wall and that he will get mexico to pay for it.

Do you believe him or not?

I believe all our southern neighbors would need is a good ladder

misterearl wrote:Not sure why the speech of Clowns wife being copycat from Lame Duck wife is significant?

arkrud - Apply the process of vetting all information that claims to be original, and the fundamental idea of TRUTH, to the highest office in the land and you may get the idea. It is not the speech but the clumsy defense of a dysfunctional process on something so simple as a speech.

Now apply that amateurism to an international discussion on nuclear warfare.

Isn't it just a symptom of American muss culture which is only interested in form but not the substance?
Business of any significance is conducted by technocrats behind the scenes.
This bunch of buffoons whom we called "politicians" are only useful for a good joke.
They "represent" a delusional crowd of consumers of American live style.
I don't mind this settings at all but why waste time in analyzing them?

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im voting for Trump for only 1 reason. There is NO doubt--NO doubt in my mind that building a southern border wall ALLOWING border agents to do their job aggressively and removing hundreds of thousands of illegal Mexican immigrants who are embedded by drug cartels will atleast diminish drug movement in the US.

So the fact the idea is ludicrous and impractical and will in no way be built a factor in your decision making?

Making the ridiculous promise he knows he can't keep is good enough?

Whatever type of wall it is--whether physical virtual both in COMBINATION with a serious crackdown on illegal immigration in this country and namely THEIR EMPLOYERS will have SIGNIFICANT effect on cracking down on drugs. And Im quite sure that is what he is saying and it makes a ton of sense.

my god.. its the 80s all over again. Lets have another war on drugs so old rich white guys can feel safe about "things."

fishmike--any of your friends or family work in a hospital? My wife has been at Yale part time for twenty years. It's easy to not "see" something when you're not there to see it--but she and her co workers see it. It is every bit as true when you hear it on TV--people who come into this country or simply do not work for whatever reason get better faster health care paid for by our government than those who actually protected this country with their lives. There is as many as 15mm illegal immigrants who dont pay taxes who dont pay for insurance and get care paid for by you me and any other tax payer AND its at the expense of those who deserve it first. Its easy to say well we dont need a war on drugs--but hey fishmike--we certainly need to enforce our laws and if drugs die down some by enforcing those laws--than that is a job well done.

That's a substantive answer.

What has Trump promised to do so that the agricultural and service sectors of our large state with our largest economy (just for one) isn't devastated by his policies?