3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I dont judge players out context. I can easily say that Amare only won because he played with one of the top PG's of all time (and the most efficient). That would be as dumb as you stating a record out of context. But I have come to expect crap like this out of you and I am ok with it.

I judge players by how they are doing now and what we can expect from them next year.

PHX offered Amare 60 million. The knicks offered 100 million. No other teams made offers. What does that tell you? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - ehhhhhhhhhh. Melo SUX and is a loser! Huh? Did that just pop out?

If Melo became an FA, any and every team would try to get that LOSER if they could.

Have a nice day!

not at the "RIDICULOUS" price we paid....

and 100 million for Amare was not "RIDICULOUS"? If not, where were the other non-ridiculous offers? How many teams would have offered Melo max money as an FA? ALL who could!

I think the Knicks over paid at the time. But now that all the flip floppers have jumped off the Felton bandwagon, I don't think it was as bad - LMFAO!!!!! I do however miss THE MOZ!

In all seriousness, I was the most upset about Chandler - I really liked him here. He has yet to prove me right.

Have the 2 $100mil and near $100mil players proved you right?

Another question if we went 18-6 after hiring Woodson did we have the wrong coach before we made the trade? Could you have been proven right with a coaching change?

Here's what we do know about the Nuggets, they haven't missed a beat without Melo...we're still trying to find an idenity or find ourselves and we're the team with the supposed SUPERSTARS not them

You may be a new guy but you clearly have a pretty good grip of what you are talking about in your posts. But who am I to say as I don't know basketball that well... eheheh
Keep em coming. Gonna be a fun season.

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I dont judge players out context. I can easily say that Amare only won because he played with one of the top PG's of all time (and the most efficient). That would be as dumb as you stating a record out of context. But I have come to expect crap like this out of you and I am ok with it.

I judge players by how they are doing now and what we can expect from them next year.

PHX offered Amare 60 million. The knicks offered 100 million. No other teams made offers. What does that tell you? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - ehhhhhhhhhh. Melo SUX and is a loser! Huh? Did that just pop out?

If Melo became an FA, any and every team would try to get that LOSER if they could.

Have a nice day!

not at the "RIDICULOUS" price we paid....

and 100 million for Amare was not "RIDICULOUS"? If not, where were the other non-ridiculous offers? How many teams would have offered Melo max money as an FA? ALL who could!

I think the Knicks over paid at the time. But now that all the flip floppers have jumped off the Felton bandwagon, I don't think it was as bad - LMFAO!!!!! I do however miss THE MOZ!

In all seriousness, I was the most upset about Chandler - I really liked him here. He has yet to prove me right.

Have the 2 $100mil and near $100mil players proved you right?

Another question if we went 18-6 after hiring Woodson did we have the wrong coach before we made the trade? Could you have been proven right with a coaching change?

Here's what we do know about the Nuggets, they haven't missed a beat without Melo...we're still trying to find an idenity or find ourselves and we're the team with the supposed SUPERSTARS not them

Have the 2 $100mil and near $100mil players proved you right? PARTIALLY

Another question if we went 18-6 after hiring Woodson did we have the wrong coach before we made the trade? Could you have been proven right with a coaching change? MDA was the wrong coach for Melo. I also don't think he is the right coach for Chandler. Chandler's style does not shine for that offense. Perhaps this is why he was so under utilized for team USA. This is not a knock on MDA or Melo but on Dolan and possibly Walsh (depending on his involvement) for making the trade when they had a coach that runs a system not suited for them. I wanted the Knicks to trade for Deron for this reason and I really liked Deron on Utah though he has been less impressive in NJ. But, NJ is pretty awful so I am taking context into account.

The Nuggets went to the WCF the year before Melo was traded. The first year they had a viable PG. They have not missed a beat? Let's not make believe that they are flying.

They drafted Faried who was excellent. Lawson has developed into a very solid PG, McGee has nice potential. Gallo sucked in the playoffs, Chandler DNP, Moz? Please.

Felton netted them Andre Miller who was awesome. That was the most painful part.

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Regarding the salaries of Stat and Melo - I can't say they are terrible. I mean to get a player like Stat without trading anything for him, I can see overpaying. We did give up some good players for Melo. I would have liked to see Gallo stay here. He isn't doing much in Denver, sort of like Felton didn't and think he would have played better here. Anyway looking at the salaries or those two guys we got in Stat and Melo and adding Stats injuries to it, man, it is all the more bizarre that we let Lin walk and the excuse is financial responsibility. LOL, I don't buy it and many don't. It was personal. Just to get things back on track here with Lin and I'll add the "Dolon, I mean Dolan is a moron of an owner" statement again as that calms me.

IMHO we overpaid for Melo and STAT. After 2 years of pure crap basketball and missing out on Lebron the Knicks went into full panic mode and gave a max deal to Amare. As you all know I'm a huge Melo fan but wish we didn't include the picks and could have kept either Chandler or Gallo.

No doubt that Dolan is a moron but maybe he decided to stop overpaying for once with Lin. I truly belive that there is where all the Linrage comes from. Overpay players for years, overpay for our stars but pass on Lin?

Yes. The draft picks was pure BS. The knicks were bidding against themselves as they were in the Amare fiasco.

Lin was personal. But, is it possible that Felton is better for team chemistry? I would have like both Felton and Lin but I would not have wanted Lin alone. To risky.

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

U have a lot of balls signing up a week ago calling people's reasoning moronic...

I don't look at join dates or post counts I look at what's being posted and if it doesn't make sense, well it doesn't make sense.

Care to keep it about basketball?

As a matter of fact I don't care to...

Cool this tells me I'm making sense...carry on

Cause u are looking in the mirror...

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I dont judge players out context. I can easily say that Amare only won because he played with one of the top PG's of all time (and the most efficient). That would be as dumb as you stating a record out of context. But I have come to expect crap like this out of you and I am ok with it.

I judge players by how they are doing now and what we can expect from them next year.

PHX offered Amare 60 million. The knicks offered 100 million. No other teams made offers. What does that tell you? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - ehhhhhhhhhh. Melo SUX and is a loser! Huh? Did that just pop out?

If Melo became an FA, any and every team would try to get that LOSER if they could.

Have a nice day!

not at the "RIDICULOUS" price we paid....

and 100 million for Amare was not "RIDICULOUS"? If not, where were the other non-ridiculous offers? How many teams would have offered Melo max money as an FA? ALL who could!

I think the Knicks over paid at the time. But now that all the flip floppers have jumped off the Felton bandwagon, I don't think it was as bad - LMFAO!!!!! I do however miss THE MOZ!

In all seriousness, I was the most upset about Chandler - I really liked him here. He has yet to prove me right.

In all seriousness both gallo and chandler are very good players who are not even close to their prime yet.. along with the first and second round picks, giving away anthony randolph and throwing in the huge expiring of curry, we paid a KINGS ransom....

I would straight up trade this entire team for the nuggets roster right now(with the exception of either amare or chandler, I would keep one of the two)... and when you look at it, almost half of those guys were knicks just a couple of years ago. It kind of gets to me, you know...

I didn't like giving amare 100 mil, but in all fairness, he pretty much came as advertised, played MVP ball the first few months and honestly, had a team of pretty young players playing above .500... how many times do you see players like amare(allstar talent, but not superstar) leading a team of guys like that and they usually are horrible.... I give amare credit for that, plus amare has been part of a winning culture in pheonix, one in which he was one of the teams best performers... but the 100 mil contract was just money, and what I mean is that amare came without the additional cost of young players and first round picks.

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I dont judge players out context. I can easily say that Amare only won because he played with one of the top PG's of all time (and the most efficient). That would be as dumb as you stating a record out of context. But I have come to expect crap like this out of you and I am ok with it.

I judge players by how they are doing now and what we can expect from them next year.

PHX offered Amare 60 million. The knicks offered 100 million. No other teams made offers. What does that tell you? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - ehhhhhhhhhh. Melo SUX and is a loser! Huh? Did that just pop out?

If Melo became an FA, any and every team would try to get that LOSER if they could.

Have a nice day!

not at the "RIDICULOUS" price we paid....

and 100 million for Amare was not "RIDICULOUS"? If not, where were the other non-ridiculous offers? How many teams would have offered Melo max money as an FA? ALL who could!

I think the Knicks over paid at the time. But now that all the flip floppers have jumped off the Felton bandwagon, I don't think it was as bad - LMFAO!!!!! I do however miss THE MOZ!

In all seriousness, I was the most upset about Chandler - I really liked him here. He has yet to prove me right.

In all seriousness both gallo and chandler are very good players who are not even close to their prime yet.. along with the first and second round picks, giving away anthony randolph and throwing in the huge expiring of curry, we paid a KINGS ransom....

I would straight up trade this entire team for the nuggets roster right now... and when you look at it, almost half of those guys were knicks just a couple of years ago. It kind of gets to me, you know...

I didn't like giving amare 100 mil, but in all fairness, he pretty much came as advertised, played MVP ball the first few months and honestly, had a team of pretty young players playing above .500... how many times do you see players like amare(allstar talent, but not superstar) leading a team of guys like that and they usually are horrible.... I give amare credit for that, plus amare has been part of a winning culture in pheonix, one in which he was one of the teams best performers... but the 100 mil contract was just money, and what I mean is that amare came without the additional cost of young players and first round picks.

Half of them? The only ones who really played (last year) was Gallo and Moz. And Chandler was a FA so he would have not been retained. They did give up too much but only because they could have gotten away with paying less. Curry's expiring was certainly valuable. AR was/is worthless. I would have certainly rather have waited for FAgency if we could. I would have also liked Deron instead but I am not if that would have been the correct decision based on what I have seen from Deron in NJ but I am not sold yet either way.

Amare played below expectations so far. Far below. He had a great half personally though the team was only 28-26 to that point and sliding fast. Outside of that he has been extremely underwhelming.

It was also nice to be part of a winning culture that included the one and only Steve Nash. Marion, JJ, JRich and the rest of them were pretty freakin good too. Put him on a team with no PG and OUCH!! That does not mean he was not talented but he needed a PG to elevate his game. How would he have done if PHX replaced Nash with an old AI or another mediocre player?

Just because we overpaid for Melo does not make me hate him. He is still a solid player who with the right team can be a dominant contributor. As was the case for Paul Pierce.

Melo is not an orchestrator like Lebron or MJ and will never be. He is a dominant scorer that needs an orchestrator. Every team needs that type of leader. That is why I wish we could have gotten Chris Paul or at that point - DWil. We all saw how great Melo was in the olympics when surrounded by talented.

Now, Melo has to improve his shot selection, be less selfish and play consistent defense. I am not blind to his deficiencies. He should be held accountable for that. But I won't blindly hate him for it and believe he can improve on that.

This season will be very enlightening.

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Regarding the salaries of Stat and Melo - I can't say they are terrible. I mean to get a player like Stat without trading anything for him, I can see overpaying. We did give up some good players for Melo. I would have liked to see Gallo stay here. He isn't doing much in Denver, sort of like Felton didn't and think he would have played better here. Anyway looking at the salaries or those two guys we got in Stat and Melo and adding Stats injuries to it, man, it is all the more bizarre that we let Lin walk and the excuse is financial responsibility. LOL, I don't buy it and many don't. It was personal. Just to get things back on track here with Lin and I'll add the "Dolon, I mean Dolan is a moron of an owner" statement again as that calms me.

IMHO we overpaid for Melo and STAT. After 2 years of pure crap basketball and missing out on Lebron the Knicks went into full panic mode and gave a max deal to Amare. As you all know I'm a huge Melo fan but wish we didn't include the picks and could have kept either Chandler or Gallo.

No doubt that Dolan is a moron but maybe he decided to stop overpaying for once with Lin. I truly belive that there is where all the Linrage comes from. Overpay players for years, overpay for our stars but pass on Lin?

I was meaning what I said in reference to the high salaries of today. I do think we overpaid, but players of that caliber get the max. A player like Lebron, or Kobe a few years ago, Durant - being that his is so young, etc. - those guys "deserve" more than the max based on how they play compared to those second tier players like Melo and Stat. Now, even though I don't like Melo's game to date, I do think he can turn things around. Wanting to win a ring can do that, but I am not holding my breath.

I agree with your post.

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I dont judge players out context. I can easily say that Amare only won because he played with one of the top PG's of all time (and the most efficient). That would be as dumb as you stating a record out of context. But I have come to expect crap like this out of you and I am ok with it.

I judge players by how they are doing now and what we can expect from them next year.

PHX offered Amare 60 million. The knicks offered 100 million. No other teams made offers. What does that tell you? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - ehhhhhhhhhh. Melo SUX and is a loser! Huh? Did that just pop out?

If Melo became an FA, any and every team would try to get that LOSER if they could.

Have a nice day!

not at the "RIDICULOUS" price we paid....

and 100 million for Amare was not "RIDICULOUS"? If not, where were the other non-ridiculous offers? How many teams would have offered Melo max money as an FA? ALL who could!

I think the Knicks over paid at the time. But now that all the flip floppers have jumped off the Felton bandwagon, I don't think it was as bad - LMFAO!!!!! I do however miss THE MOZ!

In all seriousness, I was the most upset about Chandler - I really liked him here. He has yet to prove me right.

Have the 2 $100mil and near $100mil players proved you right?

Another question if we went 18-6 after hiring Woodson did we have the wrong coach before we made the trade? Could you have been proven right with a coaching change?

Here's what we do know about the Nuggets, they haven't missed a beat without Melo...we're still trying to find an idenity or find ourselves and we're the team with the supposed SUPERSTARS not them

Have the 2 $100mil and near $100mil players proved you right? PARTIALLY

Another question if we went 18-6 after hiring Woodson did we have the wrong coach before we made the trade? Could you have been proven right with a coaching change? MDA was the wrong coach for Melo. I also don't think he is the right coach for Chandler. Chandler's style does not shine for that offense. Perhaps this is why he was so under utilized for team USA. This is not a knock on MDA or Melo but on Dolan and possibly Walsh (depending on his involvement) for making the trade when they had a coach that runs a system not suited for them. I wanted the Knicks to trade for Deron for this reason and I really liked Deron on Utah though he has been less impressive in NJ. But, NJ is pretty awful so I am taking context into account.

The Nuggets went to the WCF the year before Melo was traded. The first year they had a viable PG. They have not missed a beat? Let's not make believe that they are flying.

They drafted Faried who was excellent. Lawson has developed into a very solid PG, McGee has nice potential. Gallo sucked in the playoffs, Chandler DNP, Moz? Please.

Felton netted them Andre Miller who was awesome. That was the most painful part.

First of all my question(s) flew right over your head.

Me asking about the the coach being wrong would have been prior to trading for Melo. Let me keep dumbing it down for you. Had D'AnToni been fired or dismissed Pre Melo trade and we hired someone else Woodystyle, maybe Chandler and/or Gallo, Moz, the team in general would have proved you right and went on a 20-8 run to finish the season and who knows, maybe even get out of the first round.

Very interesting to note that team remained above .500 despite all the trade distractions but it's also worthy to note some fans want to pick and choose when to insert an excuse factor and when not to. Depends on which agenda serves their internal interest.

And since you're so inaccurate with Nugget Post-Season history I'll fact check quickly here.

The Nuggets got disposed of the year prior to Melo trade in the first round.... typical Melo led team style by the current Net led Brooklyn point guard in Deron Williams. Deron was like Melo you's a light weight 4-2 AdiGhost

It was the season prior to that season, when the Nuggets went to the WCF. So of course the Melo led Nuggets weren't in an upward trend, they were more so plateauing after backpedaling(Garden Brawl style).

I look at a more prominent analysis to gauge their team's stability post Melo trade and that's season record...The Nuggets have remained a 45-53win(average range all Melo yrs) team post Melo trade. Keep in mind they lost Billups too, a player who had to teach Melo how to eat at the dinner table in order to get out of the first round.

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Regarding the salaries of Stat and Melo - I can't say they are terrible. I mean to get a player like Stat without trading anything for him, I can see overpaying. We did give up some good players for Melo. I would have liked to see Gallo stay here. He isn't doing much in Denver, sort of like Felton didn't and think he would have played better here. Anyway looking at the salaries or those two guys we got in Stat and Melo and adding Stats injuries to it, man, it is all the more bizarre that we let Lin walk and the excuse is financial responsibility. LOL, I don't buy it and many don't. It was personal. Just to get things back on track here with Lin and I'll add the "Dolon, I mean Dolan is a moron of an owner" statement again as that calms me.

IMHO we overpaid for Melo and STAT. After 2 years of pure crap basketball and missing out on Lebron the Knicks went into full panic mode and gave a max deal to Amare. As you all know I'm a huge Melo fan but wish we didn't include the picks and could have kept either Chandler or Gallo.

No doubt that Dolan is a moron but maybe he decided to stop overpaying for once with Lin. I truly belive that there is where all the Linrage comes from. Overpay players for years, overpay for our stars but pass on Lin?

Yes. The draft picks was pure BS. The knicks were bidding against themselves as they were in the Amare fiasco.

Lin was personal. But, is it possible that Felton is better for team chemistry? I would have like both Felton and Lin but I would not have wanted Lin alone. To risky.

not sure how you can say the lin thing was personal, but the decision to get felton was better for team chemistry? really? do you honestly believe that.... especially since you feel the decision not to keep lin was personal? how can you trust that... I think you will find this.. felton and amare may recapture some of the chemistry they had briefly, but felton will just be a guy who will hand the ball to carmelo as he post in his "sweet spot".. if chemistry is just doing that, then to hell with chemistry. we were told the knicks not having lin in the playoffs left the team without a distributor and playmaker vs a tough miami team... this is what fans were saying.. now that he is gone, he was a risk to team chemistry... I don't get it..

I don't think that Woody is that dumb - to toss the ball down in the block to Melo on every play. If Amare is playing well and has his jumper going, he will get many touches. But just remember, once it goes into Amare, it never comes out (1.1 assists).

Felton has chemistry with Amare and I believe can/will have it with Melo. Lin did not really have that. Lin is a really good scorer though and can pass. He also has much to work on and improve/prove on.

Felton is an awful outside shooter and does settle for too many jumpers and that does scare me. Nothing is perfect. As I said, I would have loved having both of them for security purposes.

I don't think that Lin would have made a difference in the playoffs. Miami steamrolled OKC with all their talent. We did not stand a chance - maybe we could have won 1 more game. However, it would have been insightful to see how he would have played and handled the pressure of the moment/miami. I don't blame him for not playing (if he had the choice) since it would/might have significantly diminished his contract amount. As far as that was concerned, he had nothing to gain (financially), he could have only lost.

Lets also not ignore the fact that Tyson and Amare do not complement each other at all. They are in each others way. That is not good.

I agree with that point, and this is why I have my reservations with this team.. too many mis matched parts... and management is hell bent on squeezing 20 pounds of beef in a 2 pound bag...