GustavBahler wrote:Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Uptown wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Uptown wrote:GustavBahler wrote:VDesai wrote:45 pts, 15 rebs, 5 asts on 19/26. WOW.Guy is the best player on the planet and played like he believed it tonight. I hate the Heat, but when James plays to his best he is something to see.
That's the problem with James, you never know which guy is going to show up. Sure showed up tonite.
He's showed up the whole series, he's averaging 30 and 10 for the series against a very good defensive team and at the same time holding Pierce to 36% from the field. What more can people ask for? He can drop 40+ every game. As great as Lebron played, it was the Heat defense that showed up and secured the victory.
Exactly; Wade has been garbage. He's probably injured. But if Lebron were playing like Wade is, people would be calling him a choke artist.
Wade has a ring and has been clutch throughout his career, the same can't be said for James.
The point is that once again Lebron is being forced to play 1 on 5.
Pretty much. I hate when people excuse someones poor play by saying, "At least he has a ring!" What does that have to do with right now? Wade isn't playing on the level he has established for himself in the past. If Wade continues to play like this, there is no way the Heat will a 'Chip' this year regardless of the extraterrestrial numbers Lebron puts up. And lets take a wild guess at who will ultimately be blamed...?
My point is that Wade has established himself enough in this league not to be called a "choke artist". He was instrumental in getting Miami a championship by being clutch. He's done it for most of his career, while LeBron in the past has failed in some key moments to deliver the goods.
If Wade fails to deliver this year, he will be criticized for his poor play, not for being a "choke artist". If LeBron chokes in game 7 or against OKC he will be called a "choke artist". Considering how he has come up short on the big stage before, it would be well deserved.
Choke artist is a bit over the top. Cant win by yourself. There were many times when he played very well while in Cleveland but lost to the better TEAM. OKC is a deeper more talented team than the Heat in my opinion, so if Lebron continues to play at this level and still loses to the Thunder (If they advace or course) would he still be considered a choke artist?
Of course not. I'm talking mostly about those final moments when the game is on the line and LeBron decides to pass up a shot even though he is in just as good a position to score as anyone else, or plays poorly in the deciding moments of a game or just poorly overall.
My problem was with the expression "choke artist" being used to describe Wade if he doesn't perform when he has made a career out of being clutch. As far as Cleveland, there were times in the playoffs where the game was close enough for LeBron to be the deciding factor and he wasn't.
When you're willingly marketed as "King James". When you wear the robes and the scepter of a King on the cover of a magazine, you have to be able to produce like one. You are setting a very high standard for yourself, and it shouldn't be a surprise when you hear about it when you can't meet that standard.
Once again, the Gustav gets the +1
Why is LeQ viewed as a choke artist? Or a flopper? For no reason? For just pure hate for hate's sake?
When Lebron first entered the league, I thought he was a great, sickeningly talented player, unjustly relegated to the basketball sinkhole of the earth, Cleveland. I even liked the goofy pregame dust clapping. He then amassed the highlights, some of them frightening, and I laughed at the morons who had called him "All-Hype". He then made it to the Finals, singlehandedly, but lost to a better team. No change in my opinion there. No one can blame you for losing or even think about tarnishing your star because you can't beat Tim Duncan & Company when you're going to war with the likes of Ilgauskas and Larry Hughes.
Then he stood around watching his team get eliminated in the playoffs and everyone and their blind mother knew he just quit. On TV. In front of everyone. No exceptions.
Then we got "The Decision".
Why isn't Blake Griffin seen as a choke artist, even though he's obviously a flopper?
Why isn't Kobe seen as a choke artist, despite being a ball hog?
Why isn't Melo seen as a ....nevermind, I don't want to give this thread over to the closet Nugget lovers.
Hate for Lebron is based on something even the most deranged among us can't stand; a guy who can dominate, but picks and chooses when to do so. Who talks and acts like he's already conquered the mountain, simply by existing and gracing us with his presence.
Jordan ran rookies out of the league. He'd kill you and skin your family alive to win at anything.
With Lebron, we get something much less, from someone who's obviously capable of so much more. You've got the physical equivalent of Magic, Larry and MJ all rolled into one.
It's too bad, really. Sort of like that guy who shows up to play pick up, is insanely talented, but doesn't give enough of a **** to win every game, because he already knows how f-ing good he is, and doesn't think you're worth showing it to.
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