Knicksfan wrote:Ohh excuse me coach Foe. Now backing away from what you said about Miami? Dude, see the game the way you want to, I'll see it my way. If I was Woodson, considering what he said about accountability and all, I'd let them know how good they played for 3 1/2 quarters but how unacceptable it is to play as poorly as we played to end the game. I still love the team and root for them. As you said, we've been thru worse and all, but now that we finally have a solid team, we have to keep pushing to play better instead of being conformist simply because the other team is a Top 5 team, favorite to win the 'chip and all. If that was the way, then why bother making the playoffs since all the top seeds have the right to win? Nah, you push to win and today we could've if we had stuck to our gameplan and not sucked in that last half quarter.

You got it homez. You take me thinking using the words disgusting and inexcusable as over reaction and take it somewhere else. No team goes 82 and 0 in a season. If we won this game 99% of NBA fans would look at this as an upset yet it's disgusting to you for the team to lose a competitive game to a strong team. You are in the minority yet have the right to your emotional opinion.

FoeDiddy wrote:JR with premature celebration

That was the turnaround

nixluva wrote:The game was still winnable with 6 minutes to play. The Knicks had multiple bad plays in crunch time with too many deep shots and only one good BB play. Failure to boxout allowed Joel Anthony to score on a put back. Good ball movement allowed Chalmers to drive baseline. The Heat had some good shots right at the basket and made some good deep shots and midrange shots. We took HERO shots while the Heat ran plays. Just compare the plays we got to what the Heat did.

6:13	New York full timeout
6:13	Joel Anthony enters the game for Chris Bosh	81-79	 
6:13	 	81-79	Iman Shumpert enters the game for Landry Fields
6:03	Joel Anthony shooting foul (Tyson Chandler draws the foul)	81-79	 
6:03	 	81-79	Tyson Chandler misses free throw 1 of 2
6:03	 	81-79	New York offensive team rebound
6:03	 	81-80	Tyson Chandler makes free throw 2 of 2
5:45	LeBron James offensive foul (Tyson Chandler draws the foul)	81-80	 
5:45	LeBron James turnover	81-80	 
5:31	 	81-80	Tyson Chandler 3 second
5:09	LeBron James misses 22-foot jumper	81-80	 
5:09	Joel Anthony offensive rebound	81-80	 
5:07	Joel Anthony makes two point shot	83-80	 
4:43	 	83-80	Carmelo Anthony misses 24-foot three point jumper
4:43	Dwyane Wade defensive rebound	83-80	 
4:31	Dwyane Wade makes 16-foot jumper	85-80	 
4:18	 	85-80	J.R. Smith misses 24-foot three point jumper
4:16	LeBron James defensive rebound	85-80	 
4:07	LeBron James makes 21-foot jumper	87-80	 
4:07	New York full timeout
4:07	 	87-80	Baron Davis enters the game for Steve Novak
4:07	Chris Bosh enters the game for Joel Anthony	87-80	 
3:55	 	87-82	Tyson Chandler makes slam dunk (Baron Davis assists) - 
Davis comes in and runs good BB play but the team didn't continue running plays!
3:29	Mario Chalmers makes driving layup (James Jones assists)	89-82	 
3:14	Mario Chalmers personal foul (Baron Davis draws the foul)	89-82	 
3:08	 	89-82	Baron Davis offensive foul (James Jones draws the foul)
3:08	 	89-82	Baron Davis turnover
2:55	 	89-82	Carmelo Anthony personal foul (LeBron James draws the foul)
2:46	LeBron James misses 22-foot jumper	89-82	 
2:45	 	89-82	Carmelo Anthony defensive rebound
2:36	 	89-82	Carmelo Anthony misses 25-foot three point jumper
2:35	Mario Chalmers defensive rebound	89-82	 
2:29	Miami full timeout
2:15	Dwyane Wade makes 8-foot running jumper	91-82	 
2:03	 	91-82	Baron Davis bad pass
1:40	LeBron James makes 19-foot two point shot	93-82	 
1:28	 	93-85	Carmelo Anthony makes 25-foot three point jumper
1:05	Dwyane Wade misses 20-foot jumper	93-85	 
1:04	 	93-85	J.R. Smith defensive rebound
0:56	 	93-85	Carmelo Anthony misses 25-foot three point jumper
0:55	James Jones defensive rebound	93-85	 
0:31	LeBron James misses 22-foot jumper	93-85	 
0:30	Miami defensive team rebound	93-85	 
0:29	New York 20 Sec. timeout
0:29	Shane Battier enters the game for James Jones	93-85	 
0:29	 	93-85	Steve Novak enters the game for Tyson Chandler
0:23	 	93-85	Carmelo Anthony misses 23-foot jumper
0:22	Dwyane Wade defensive rebound	93-85	 
0:18	 	93-85	Iman Shumpert personal take (Dwyane Wade draws the foul)
0:00	End of the 4th Quarter
0:00	End Game

Haha - "BD makes good basketball play" - How about the fact that 90 pct of them were sh1tty basketball plays? How about the fact that we have no PG and we need to rely on JR to win us games with horrible feast or famine BAD basketball plays. How about that Fields destroys any offensive set by being worse than horrible. How about the fact that Steve Novak can't make a bucket unless our guards break down the defense but guess what ... we don't have any guards who can do that. How about that Tyson (who is awesome and our MVP) had 5 rebounds and cant make a shot from further than 3 feet. Did I mention how good our PG's were? Then how about a PG that can get into the offense (when we are not going ISO [shudder]) with more than 3 seconds remaining on the shot clock.

Please name the team that can win big games consistently, especially in the playoffs as an underdog without a viable second offensive option and with ZERO PG. We are 13-5 after "The Change". How you ask? With defense and a TEAM showing heart and being held accountable and with a SUPERSTAR that our coach understands how to use. Everyone of these games against these top teams puts us at a big disadvantage due to the aforementioned reasons. The fact that we are showing up and winning some games just shows what a good job Woody is doing and how crazy Melo is playing.

When we lose games that we are suppose to win, and do that too often, I will start blaming the team. Not when we have half our team injured and have one consistent offensive player that we can count on. Kobe can't do it alone. MJ could not do it alone. Lebron can't do it alone. Nobody can.

Did we take some bad shots down the stretch? Yes we did. Thats what will happen when we have no PG and no other consistent playmakers aside from Melo. JR smith hits a 3 in Milwaukee. If he misses it's horrible offense and I will be the first one to say it. Melo took a really bad turnaround from the corner that I think happened because he lost track of the shot clock and it WAS a bad shot but the 3's? They worked against Chicago and nobody complained then. With what we have offensively, we will live and die with bad offense.

Guess what - we are winning with bad offense because we play GREAT DEFENSE!! And that is a wonderful thing.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:The game was still winnable with 6 minutes to play. The Knicks had multiple bad plays in crunch time with too many deep shots and only one good BB play. Failure to boxout allowed Joel Anthony to score on a put back. Good ball movement allowed Chalmers to drive baseline. The Heat had some good shots right at the basket and made some good deep shots and midrange shots. We took HERO shots while the Heat ran plays. Just compare the plays we got to what the Heat did.

6:13	New York full timeout
6:13	Joel Anthony enters the game for Chris Bosh	81-79	 
6:13	 	81-79	Iman Shumpert enters the game for Landry Fields
6:03	Joel Anthony shooting foul (Tyson Chandler draws the foul)	81-79	 
6:03	 	81-79	Tyson Chandler misses free throw 1 of 2
6:03	 	81-79	New York offensive team rebound
6:03	 	81-80	Tyson Chandler makes free throw 2 of 2
5:45	LeBron James offensive foul (Tyson Chandler draws the foul)	81-80	 
5:45	LeBron James turnover	81-80	 
5:31	 	81-80	Tyson Chandler 3 second
5:09	LeBron James misses 22-foot jumper	81-80	 
5:09	Joel Anthony offensive rebound	81-80	 
5:07	Joel Anthony makes two point shot	83-80	 
4:43	 	83-80	Carmelo Anthony misses 24-foot three point jumper
4:43	Dwyane Wade defensive rebound	83-80	 
4:31	Dwyane Wade makes 16-foot jumper	85-80	 
4:18	 	85-80	J.R. Smith misses 24-foot three point jumper
4:16	LeBron James defensive rebound	85-80	 
4:07	LeBron James makes 21-foot jumper	87-80	 
4:07	New York full timeout
4:07	 	87-80	Baron Davis enters the game for Steve Novak
4:07	Chris Bosh enters the game for Joel Anthony	87-80	 
3:55	 	87-82	Tyson Chandler makes slam dunk (Baron Davis assists) - 
Davis comes in and runs good BB play but the team didn't continue running plays!
3:29	Mario Chalmers makes driving layup (James Jones assists)	89-82	 
3:14	Mario Chalmers personal foul (Baron Davis draws the foul)	89-82	 
3:08	 	89-82	Baron Davis offensive foul (James Jones draws the foul)
3:08	 	89-82	Baron Davis turnover
2:55	 	89-82	Carmelo Anthony personal foul (LeBron James draws the foul)
2:46	LeBron James misses 22-foot jumper	89-82	 
2:45	 	89-82	Carmelo Anthony defensive rebound
2:36	 	89-82	Carmelo Anthony misses 25-foot three point jumper
2:35	Mario Chalmers defensive rebound	89-82	 
2:29	Miami full timeout
2:15	Dwyane Wade makes 8-foot running jumper	91-82	 
2:03	 	91-82	Baron Davis bad pass
1:40	LeBron James makes 19-foot two point shot	93-82	 
1:28	 	93-85	Carmelo Anthony makes 25-foot three point jumper
1:05	Dwyane Wade misses 20-foot jumper	93-85	 
1:04	 	93-85	J.R. Smith defensive rebound
0:56	 	93-85	Carmelo Anthony misses 25-foot three point jumper
0:55	James Jones defensive rebound	93-85	 
0:31	LeBron James misses 22-foot jumper	93-85	 
0:30	Miami defensive team rebound	93-85	 
0:29	New York 20 Sec. timeout
0:29	Shane Battier enters the game for James Jones	93-85	 
0:29	 	93-85	Steve Novak enters the game for Tyson Chandler
0:23	 	93-85	Carmelo Anthony misses 23-foot jumper
0:22	Dwyane Wade defensive rebound	93-85	 
0:18	 	93-85	Iman Shumpert personal take (Dwyane Wade draws the foul)
0:00	End of the 4th Quarter
0:00	End Game

Haha - "BD makes good basketball play" - How about the fact that 90 pct of them were sh1tty basketball plays? How about the fact that we have no PG and we need to rely on JR to win us games with horrible feast or famine BAD basketball plays. How about that Fields destroys any offensive set by being worse than horrible. How about the fact that Steve Novak can't make a bucket unless our guards break down the defense but guess what ... we don't have any guards who can do that. How about that Tyson (who is awesome and our MVP) had 5 rebounds and cant make a shot from further than 3 feet. Did I mention how good our PG's were? Then how about a PG that can get into the offense (when we are not going ISO [shudder]) with more than 3 seconds remaining on the shot clock.

Please name the team that can win big games consistently, especially in the playoffs as an underdog without a viable second offensive option and with ZERO PG. We are 13-5 after "The Change". How you ask? With defense and a TEAM showing heart and being held accountable and with a SUPERSTAR that our coach understands how to use. Everyone of these games against these top teams puts us at a big disadvantage due to the aforementioned reasons. The fact that we are showing up and winning some games just shows what a good job Woody is doing and how crazy Melo is playing.

When we lose games that we are suppose to win, and do that too often, I will start blaming the team. Not when we have half our team injured and have one consistent offensive player that we can count on. Kobe can't do it alone. MJ could not do it alone. Lebron can't do it alone. Nobody can.

Did we take some bad shots down the stretch? Yes we did. Thats what will happen when we have no PG and no other consistent playmakers aside from Melo. JR smith hits a 3 in Milwaukee. If he misses it's horrible offense and I will be the first one to say it. Melo took a really bad turnaround from the corner that I think happened because he lost track of the shot clock and it WAS a bad shot but the 3's? They worked against Chicago and nobody complained then. With what we have offensively, we will live and die with bad offense.

Guess what - we are winning with bad offense because we play GREAT DEFENSE!! And that is a wonderful thing.

What is all this garbage you're spewing here? Some of us most certainly did complain about the fickle nature of relying on wild deep 3's like that. Some of us said tat isn't a reliable way to win in the long run. It was a great moment, but doesn't mask the real problems. Teams have to execute and play smart. What we saw was the team have a series of bad plays down the stretch and it wasn't because they were being shutdown. THEY NEVER EVEN CHALLENGED THE HEAT DEFENSE ON THOSE PLAYS!!!! If they had tried to run actual plays and got stopped that would be one thing, but I just posted the plays and if you go back and watch those plays you would see that they didn't exactly make it hard for the Heat.

Stop trying to make this about some hidden agenda when it has nothing to do with that. These are legitimate points i'm making and it's not just this game. You haven't wanted to acknowledge it cuz the team won games despite the things i've been pointing out, but that doesn't mean that they weren't valid problems that could jump up and bite the team. You seem to think that just cuz the team was winning while playing horrible offense that this makes it all better. The playoffs is what this team is about, not the regular season. They have to address these issues because in the playoffs they'll most likely face a tough defensive team.

Thanks for your usual bullsh1t and not addressing my points/questions. Keep spewing garbage yourself Rain Man/Mr. Agenda.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Thanks for your usual bullsh1t and not addressing my points/questions. Keep spewing garbage yourself Rain Man/Mr. Agenda.

You're the one that didn't address any points in the original post I made. I do have something for you to read tho and maybe you respect it more coming from Woody himself, who is making my point for me:

Mike Woodson was not happy with the Knicks "pace" and overall offensive execution in today's loss to the Heat, especially the last six minutes of the game. "We got so stagnant offensively," Woodson said. "When the game’s on the line like that you’ve got to get some movement and we didn’t do that. It comes down to every possession. We couldn’t get the stop on the other end and they go up three. Then we come down and kind of half-[heartedly] go through our offense again."

He focused on the same last 6 min stretch that I did and made the same observations I did. Now what?

WOW! You Rock! "Now What" a real tough guy - hahahahhaa

No phuckin PG thats what. How can we be good offensively if our PG sucks and and can't get our offense started with more than 3-4 seconds on the shot clock.

Once again I ask: What team can be good offensively with ZERO PG and no consistent second option? Please name the team. Please! Pretty Please!!

FoeDiddy wrote:Reading thru..u both are actually saying same thing lol. Team does need to execute better in end of game.

Yes. But Nix thinks it's because we are not executing smartly and therefore are playing bad offense and I am saying that it's a miracle that our offense is this good and we are overachieving big time. You can't expect to have consistent offense/execution when you don't have the players. When Lin and Amare come back and we are not executing then the bitching can start.

That's the big difference

"I thought our pace was so slow," Woodson said. "I mean, we've got to get the ball up the floor a lot quicker and get into our offense. We missed a lot of good shots. I thought the one stretch that we got to the penalty in the third quarter, we didn’t utilize the free throw line and kind of lived on jump shots. That's on me. I've got to get guys to understand time, score, situations. I didn't do a good job with that tonight."

When the rhythm is too much of the same, the defense has an advantage setting a tempo, which the Heat were able to do on Sunday. Looking ahead, Davis said that's something he needs to change.

"We just have to play at a better pace offensively," he said. "Melo is great for us in the halfcourt offense. I think for the rest of us, we have to play in a better pace. That falls on my shoulders, which I don't have a problem with, being able to push the ball up and get guys easy shots."

Uptown wrote:Not necesarily disagreeing with you Nix, but Baron Davis admits that he is a part of the offensive woes....

"I thought our pace was so slow," Woodson said. "I mean, we've got to get the ball up the floor a lot quicker and get into our offense. We missed a lot of good shots. I thought the one stretch that we got to the penalty in the third quarter, we didn’t utilize the free throw line and kind of lived on jump shots. That's on me. I've got to get guys to understand time, score, situations. I didn't do a good job with that tonight."

When the rhythm is too much of the same, the defense has an advantage setting a tempo, which the Heat were able to do on Sunday. Looking ahead, Davis said that's something he needs to change.

"We just have to play at a better pace offensively," he said. "Melo is great for us in the halfcourt offense. I think for the rest of us, we have to play in a better pace. That falls on my shoulders, which I don't have a problem with, being able to push the ball up and get guys easy shots."

And he said the same thing after each of the last 2 games. Unfortunately, him saying it is not helping us.

This team should've picked up a young PG from NBDL and tried its luck. This isn't a tough Mike D system you hjave to learn. You just need a healthy body that can penetrate and dish.

But that's water down the bridge. I just hope Lin can recover to come back at some point in the first round.