Juice wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:The Bulls defense is so good but so compromised when Boozer and Korver are on the court.

OKC and Bulls need to find a POINT GUARD and slide their point guards to the 2 guard spot if they want to be taken seriously and not Fluke their way to success.

Umm...looks like OKC just found another level right now...just sayin'

Juice wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:The Bulls defense is so good but so compromised when Boozer and Korver are on the court.

OKC and Bulls need to find a POINT GUARD and slide their point guards to the 2 guard spot if they want to be taken seriously and not Fluke their way to success.

both are 22. Why won't you give them a chance to grow?

the 23-6 run once harden fouled out tells you all you need to know about the "who is the 2nd most important guy on the thunder" question. westbrook should be dealt for a big -- he's a shooting guard who plays PG because he's 6'3. he's a poor man's derrick rose juice!

BigSm00th wrote:dirk is incredible.

the 23-6 run once harden fouled out tells you all you need to know about the "who is the 2nd most important guy on the thunder" question. westbrook should be dealt for a big -- he's a shooting guard who plays PG because he's 6'3. he's a poor man's derrick rose juice!

Did you see Derrick Rose last 2 games? Matter of fact have you seen Derrick Rose overall 2011 playoff performance. Even Bulls fans are starting to get pissed at his play. Besides Game 1 of the Pacer and Heat series and 1 40pt game performance against ATL...he's been near brutal.

I actually think Durant is the reason OKC lost tonight not WB but...

"to blame WestBrook always....his own"

WB's clock could be ticking by next year though. OKC doesn't really need bigs they have...Ibaka/Perk/Collison then Mullens/Aldrich in the stables. They need a POINT GUARD and probably another scorer in the 2 GUARD mode

BigSm00th wrote:

Juice wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:dirk is incredible.

the 23-6 run once harden fouled out tells you all you need to know about the "who is the 2nd most important guy on the thunder" question. westbrook should be dealt for a big -- he's a shooting guard who plays PG because he's 6'3. he's a poor man's derrick rose juice!

Did you see Derrick Rose last 2 games? Matter of fact have you seen Derrick Rose overall 2011 playoff performance. Even Bulls fans are starting to get pissed at his play. Besides Game 1 of the Pacer and Heat series and 1 40pt game performance against ATL...he's been near brutal.

I actually think Durant is the reason OKC lost tonight not WB but.....

"to blame WestBrook always his own"

WB's clock could be ticking by next year though. OKC doesn't really need bigs they have...Ibaka/Perk/Collison then Mullens/Aldrich in the stables. They need a POINT GUARD and probably another scorer in the 2 GUARD mode

yea, i think we agree for the most part man.

RE: rose, i just find it hard to fault the guy when the bulls are clearly designed to have him score. bogans is a shutdown 2 who brings zero offense, deng is a 2way player but more defense than offense, boozer until last night had played way below his season averages, and noah isn't really featured in their offense. korver off the bench is really the only other scorer. gibson gets his buckets on put backs, brewer isn't really doing that much. that being said, i think rose is clearly better than westbrook and i think a team with a really good front court and good depth that plays elite defense can win a championship with rose playing the 1 as an attacker and not as a distributor.

"even bulls fans are getting tired" LOL if you can get tired when you're battling in the conference finals then i'll take derrick rose every day of the week. they are down 2-1 and have been in every game. i don't think that series is over. heat are a great defensive team with 2 of the best athletes in the world and their entire defensive scheme is "stop derrick rose." what do you want rose to do? set up...who exactly? i think rose needs to get to the line more, not try to set his teammates more than he is. if he can do that and bosh doesn't go 13-18 they will win. (much of the blame for last game goes to those defending bosh and not rose for not having more than 5 assists)

tonight i think the thunder loss is more on scotty brooks than anyone. wth is he thinking with seflosha going in once harden fouled out? where is maynor or cook? with seflosha in terry was just roaming around doubling, which isn't gonna work when your offense is essentially russell iso's one play, durant iso's the next play. that being said, i agree with you, they need a true PG and then more bench depth.

Can't you say the same for WB what's in bold?

I agree the series isn't over with Miami and Chicago.

I think the Bulls somehow will figure it out and beat the Heat but it won't be solely because Derrick Rose is so great that much I can guarantee you. You can't blame Rose's teammates now who helped him win 60gms. This is a complete example of hypocrisy especially when Noah and Boozer were missing games. Rose is trying to get to the line and he's running himself into traps, turning the ball over, taking bad shots, looking like a complete mess. He's not spending too much time setting guys up. Last 3gms against the Heat Kyle Korver has attempted 3fg and 2fg respectively. No way this happens if Deron or even 38yr old Jason Kidd was on their team. Brooks had Sef in to help with D. When the game is within 1 possession not much time left really you should always go with D if you have a couple capable scorers on the floor. OKC's problem came down to their capable scorers making horrific plays in the clutch, namely Durant.

As a side note Thibs might want to play Crazy Eyes over Boozer more and put him on the floor with Gibson.

BigSm00th wrote:

Juice wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

Juice wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:dirk is incredible.

the 23-6 run once harden fouled out tells you all you need to know about the "who is the 2nd most important guy on the thunder" question. westbrook should be dealt for a big -- he's a shooting guard who plays PG because he's 6'3. he's a poor man's derrick rose juice!

Did you see Derrick Rose last 2 games? Matter of fact have you seen Derrick Rose overall 2011 playoff performance. Even Bulls fans are starting to get pissed at his play. Besides Game 1 of the Pacer and Heat series and 1 40pt game performance against ATL...he's been near brutal.

I actually think Durant is the reason OKC lost tonight not WB but.....

"to blame WestBrook always his own"

WB's clock could be ticking by next year though. OKC doesn't really need bigs they have...Ibaka/Perk/Collison then Mullens/Aldrich in the stables. They need a POINT GUARD and probably another scorer in the 2 GUARD mode

yea, i think we agree for the most part man.

RE: rose, i just find it hard to fault the guy when the bulls are clearly designed to have him score. bogans is a shutdown 2 who brings zero offense, deng is a 2way player but more defense than offense, boozer until last night had played way below his season averages, and noah isn't really featured in their offense. korver off the bench is really the only other scorer. gibson gets his buckets on put backs, brewer isn't really doing that much. that being said, i think rose is clearly better than westbrook and i think a team with a really good front court and good depth that plays elite defense can win a championship with rose playing the 1 as an attacker and not as a distributor.

"even bulls fans are getting tired" LOL if you can get tired when you're battling in the conference finals then i'll take derrick rose every day of the week. they are down 2-1 and have been in every game. i don't think that series is over. heat are a great defensive team with 2 of the best athletes in the world and their entire defensive scheme is "stop derrick rose." what do you want rose to do? set up...who exactly? i think rose needs to get to the line more, not try to set his teammates more than he is. if he can do that and bosh doesn't go 13-18 they will win. (much of the blame for last game goes to those defending bosh and not rose for not having more than 5 assists)

tonight i think the thunder loss is more on scotty brooks than anyone. wth is he thinking with seflosha going in once harden fouled out? where is maynor or cook? with seflosha in terry was just roaming around doubling, which isn't gonna work when your offense is essentially russell iso's one play, durant iso's the next play. that being said, i agree with you, they need a true PG and then more bench depth.

Can't you say the same for WB what's in bold?

I agree the series isn't over with Miami and Chicago.

I think the Bulls somehow will figure it out and beat the Heat but it won't be solely because Derrick Rose is so great that much I can guarantee you. You can't blame Rose's teammates now who helped him win 60gms. This is a complete example of hypocrisy especially when Noah and Boozer were missing games. Rose is trying to get to the line and he's running himself into traps, turning the ball over, taking bad shots, looking like a complete mess. He's not spending too much time setting guys up. Last 3gms against the Heat Kyle Korver has attempted 3fg and 2fg respectively. No way this happens if Deron or even 38yr old Jason Kidd was on their team. Brooks had Sef in to help with D. When the game is within 1 possession not much time left really you should always go with D if you have a couple capable scorers on the floor. OKC's problem came down to their capable scorers making horrific plays in the clutch, namely Durant.

As a side note Thibs might want to play Crazy Eyes over Boozer more and put him on the floor with Gibson.

i'd agree to an extent -- i also think that westbrook has better players around him. durant is the 2 time scoring champ, harden creates his own offense at the 2. the closest rose has is deng.

brooks had seflosha in with D but what about the last play. 6 seconds left and a tie game. you go with seflosha and not a scorer? even going down the stretch with the offense sputtering he didn't make an O for D substitution which i found odd.

i have been wondering where KT has been -- if anything he'll pinch bosh and play his usual sneaky vet tricks to get a few calls. i'd like to see him out there. he's also reliable on the pick and pop.

Harden fouled out with OKC up by double digits with at least 5min to play. Tonight Durant clearly made the more bone headed plays in the stretch. Boozer has been near 20/10 his whole career. Why is he written off as offensively inept..... because he's played poorly this playoffs? Real simple here

Rose=Brook...Slight edge Rose
Boozer=Durant....Clear edge Durant
Deng=Harden....Slight edge Deng
Noah=Ibaka....Slight edge Noah
Bogans=Sef....Wash

Korver=Maynor....Wash
Watson=Cook....Wash
Gibson=Collison....Wash
Asik/Thomas=Perk....Slight edge Perk since he's playing more than both

That leaves Brewer=Nazr/Nate....Slight edge Brewer since he's playing more than both

Bulls also have Rasual Butler on the bench collecting dust

Please stop with this Mythical viewpoint that Brook has all these weapons around him compared to Rose. He doesn't. And when you factor in Durant's offense comes in large from the favorable treatment from the refs it makes it that much more Mythical.

6 Sec left Durant had the ball and tried to launch a 30ftr with a defender on him and you're blaming SB because he had Sef on the floor and not Maynor. Seriously what set of eyes do you watch this game with? Okay SB puts Maynor in for Sef last 6sec... Durant still would have had the ball in his hands. It wasn't really an offensive issue but more a young team getting shook and mentally checked out as the game slipped out of their grasp.

Durant shot an off balance baseline jumper clank.....

Durant shot a 30ftr with Marion draped all over him with 3.5sec left on the clock blocked shot

Durant shot 22ftr little ball movement near top of key clank

Durant tried to drive on Marion and spun into Kidd(double team) turned the ball over

For crying out loud he finished the game with 9TOs. Brook wasn't any better overall but Durant played worst down the stretch it's not even debatable.

Here let me help you out since you didn't see the game...

From within 5min left to play in the 4rth as the wheels came off let's look at what Durant did

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=310523025&period=4

4rth

Missed 22ftr

Missed 25ftr

Lose ball steal Marion on Durant

Blocked shot Marion on Durant 30ftr

The only Thunder player to score in this span was Brook(although he missed his share of shots too)

OT

Missed 24ftr

Loose ball steal Kidd on Durant

Missed 24ftr

Missed 25ftr(last shot was full of sorrow and pity)

That's pure garbage from someone who's supposed to be The Superstar of the team. He went 0-6 and turned the ball over 3 times when they needed him most. All 6FGA's 22ft and beyond for a player who should be wise enough to say to himself may I should be trying to get to the rim with some misdirection or pick from a big at home money from the line. But hey go ahead and do what you do.

Thibs is not a god. This is a JVG trait and why defensive minded coaches are not as successful as one might imagine.

Nothing wrong with the bulls but they are playing against 2 superstars and Bosh is not the puss everyone would prefer he show himself to be.

Juice wrote:You clearly did not watch the game if you're asking me what bone headed plays did Durant make down the stretch. That in of itself should have been kept inside of you. I gave the clear edge to Durant over Boozer but everything else evens out. Harden has had some good games as has Deng but let's stop churching up Harden like he's the second coming of some offensive juggernaut he's not. You're acting as if Brook has numerous play makers on his team to give the ball up too compared to Rose and I have shown you he doesn't. The only difference is Durant. He gave the ball up to Durant on several possessions down the stretch.

Durant shot an off balance baseline jumper clank.....

Durant shot a 30ftr with Marion draped all over him with 3.5sec left on the clock blocked shot

Durant shot 22ftr little ball movement near top of key clank

Durant tried to drive on Marion and spun into Kidd(double team) turned the ball over

For crying out loud he finished the game with 9TOs. Brook wasn't any better overall but Durant played worst down the stretch it's not even debatable.

Here let me help you out since you didn't see the game...

From within 5min left to play in the 4rth as the wheels came off let's look at what Durant did

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=310523025&period=4

4rth

Missed 22ftr

Missed 25ftr

Lose ball steal Marion on Durant

Blocked shot Marion on Durant 30ftr

The only Thunder player to score in this span was Brook(although he missed his share of shots too)

OT

Missed 24ftr

Loose ball steal Kidd on Durant

Missed 24ftr

Missed 25ftr(last shot was full of sorrow and pity)

That's pure garbage from someone who's supposed to be The Superstar of the team. He went 0-6 and turned the ball over 3 times when they needed him most. All 6FGA's 22ft and beyond for a player who should be wise enough to say to himself may I should be trying to get to the rim with some misdirection or pick from a big at home money from the line. But hey go ahead and do what you do.

"When Harden fouled out," Dallas center Brendan Haywood said, "we focused all our attention on KD. That was basically it."

i'm not going to get into a 5th grade "I WATCHED THE GAME! NO I WATCHED THE GAME" argument, that's silly. i'm not even sure what you're debating at this point.

does westbrook have the scoring champ on his team? yes.

end of argument.