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AnubisADL
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5/16/2013  12:51 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:"No Help for Kevin Durant" box on sportcenter. He really missed Westbrook and Durant couldn't do it all. It happens.

SMH

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5/16/2013  1:00 AM
Overall, good night for the NBA. 2 really good games that came down to the end.
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5/16/2013  2:44 AM
TeamBall wrote:
holfresh wrote:Why does the Knicks have to get dissed during the Heat/Bulls game ..Steve Kerr " Miami is doing everything the Knicks isn't right now and that's moving the ball"...wtf??

What the hell he said that? Were the Knicks even being discussed beforehand?

No...I had to rewind it to see if the topic was about the Knicks..Totally out of the blue..

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5/16/2013  2:44 AM
TeamBall wrote:
holfresh wrote:Why does the Knicks have to get dissed during the Heat/Bulls game ..Steve Kerr " Miami is doing everything the Knicks isn't right now and that's moving the ball"...wtf??

What the hell he said that? Were the Knicks even being discussed beforehand?

No...I had to rewind it to see if the topic was about the Knicks..Totally out of the blue..

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5/16/2013  7:17 AM
Watching the Thunder/Grizz series makes you wonder how effecient would Durant be if he had to play a full season without an allstar running mate?
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5/16/2013  7:18 AM
holfresh wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
holfresh wrote:Why does the Knicks have to get dissed during the Heat/Bulls game ..Steve Kerr " Miami is doing everything the Knicks isn't right now and that's moving the ball"...wtf??

What the hell he said that? Were the Knicks even being discussed beforehand?

No...I had to rewind it to see if the topic was about the Knicks..Totally out of the blue..

Dont forget, Kerr is and always will be a Bull....F&*$ him!

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5/16/2013  8:13 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:"No Help for Kevin Durant" box on sportcenter. He really missed Westbrook and Durant couldn't do it all. It happens.

SMH


Isn't that correct though? He passed the ball great this post-season and did everything he could to get his teammates involved but they couldn't offer enough.
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5/16/2013  8:27 AM
KD with another miserable performance. I wonder what the apologists and efficiency defense force will say now about their golden boy.
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5/16/2013  8:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/16/2013  8:33 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:"No Help for Kevin Durant" box on sportcenter. He really missed Westbrook and Durant couldn't do it all. It happens.

SMH


Isn't that correct though? He passed the ball great this post-season and did everything he could to get his teammates involved but they couldn't offer enough.

what did they shoot? Do you know? for real question? DOing a quick look back at the last two games they shot pretty well and it was close late he just shot poorly and had turnovers.

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5/16/2013  8:37 AM
OKC needs to upgrade their center position
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5/16/2013  8:42 AM
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
holfresh wrote:Why does the Knicks have to get dissed during the Heat/Bulls game ..Steve Kerr " Miami is doing everything the Knicks isn't right now and that's moving the ball"...wtf??

What the hell he said that? Were the Knicks even being discussed beforehand?

No...I had to rewind it to see if the topic was about the Knicks..Totally out of the blue..

Dont forget, Kerr is and always will be a Bull....F&*$ him!

Yup. I still remember him and Stacey King talking crap about the Knicks.

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5/16/2013  9:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/16/2013  9:12 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:"No Help for Kevin Durant" box on sportcenter. He really missed Westbrook and Durant couldn't do it all. It happens.

SMH


Isn't that correct though? He passed the ball great this post-season and did everything he could to get his teammates involved but they couldn't offer enough.

what did they shoot? Do you know? for real question? DOing a quick look back at the last two games they shot pretty well and it was close late he just shot poorly and had turnovers.


I don't know off hand. It seemed like Ibaka was really bad for most of the series. Maybe some of them shot well in part because Durant was creating good shots for them though? They still were out-matched though.
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5/16/2013  9:41 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:"No Help for Kevin Durant" box on sportcenter. He really missed Westbrook and Durant couldn't do it all. It happens.

SMH


Isn't that correct though? He passed the ball great this post-season and did everything he could to get his teammates involved but they couldn't offer enough.

Dude stop it. You are giving him a pass.

Dude shot 5-21 in an elimination game. Go somewhere with that BS.

OKC lost by 4 points not in a blowout.

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5/16/2013  9:48 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:KD with another miserable performance. I wonder what the apologists and efficiency defense force will say now about their golden boy.

lol.. HE STILL is great and the second best player in the NBA.. he didn't play well... Kudos to memphis.. Durant will have to continue to raise his game.. with or without westbrook... no need to apologize, he is clearly the second best player in the league and I would trade the entire knick squad to get him, 10 times over..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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5/16/2013  9:55 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:"No Help for Kevin Durant" box on sportcenter. He really missed Westbrook and Durant couldn't do it all. It happens.

SMH


Isn't that correct though? He passed the ball great this post-season and did everything he could to get his teammates involved but they couldn't offer enough.

he did pass the ball well, and he also played well, just didn't shoot well.. not sure why people are celebrating his loss.. I find it funny as if it will validate anything that happens to the knicks.. Durant is still the second best player in the league.. by far... for the series he finished with 30/9/6 and still shot 46% including last nights bad shooting game.. No need to apologize for that... smh..

he did have a chance to tie the game and missed, he is going to have to get better in the 4th qtr, but I have no doubt he will.. guys has improved every year since he has been in the league..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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5/16/2013  10:01 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:"No Help for Kevin Durant" box on sportcenter. He really missed Westbrook and Durant couldn't do it all. It happens.

SMH


Isn't that correct though? He passed the ball great this post-season and did everything he could to get his teammates involved but they couldn't offer enough.

what did they shoot? Do you know? for real question? DOing a quick look back at the last two games they shot pretty well and it was close late he just shot poorly and had turnovers.


I don't know off hand. It seemed like Ibaka was really bad for most of the series. Maybe some of them shot well in part because Durant was creating good shots for them though? They still were out-matched though.

I guess but he played well the last two. Sefolosha really struggled though. just a horrible drop off. I don't really think they should have been outmatched though but like i said before Perkins really needs to go. I wish Tyson took the shots Perkins took though. I feel Tyson has it in him but Perkins should only shoot layups and never post up.

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5/16/2013  10:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/16/2013  10:41 AM
Durant can't carry a team by himself in a conf. semi. Maybe only Lebron can in this era.

I think since much of this talk alludes as a measuring for Melo then we can conclude its about chemistry.

Chicago went far with awful injuries.

give Miami credit, they have won 45 of the last 48 games. They have no peer at this point.

One more time, 45 of 48 and includes two rounds of playoffs. Imagine a season start where you look in the standings and see:

wins-----------Loss----------%
45--------------3-----------93.75

Yet, Wade is beat up, Bosh is "Pussy" and the rest of the team "sucks', Yet the record tells a story: Chemistry!

Is it sacrifice? Is it maturity? Coaching? Culture?

Or all the above?

We can "Blame" Melo, or Woodson, or Dolan but its not what we have, its what we lack and its a vision to win.

In retrospect if we lose tonite its not an object failure but a disspointment. The team was build to "win now" but if history tells us anything MSG with Dolan as the helm is run like an entertainment company and its stock has tripled in the last 3 years. The building is being renovated in the face of competition as was the knicks. The team was succesful in maintaining its fan base as the buzz died down in BKN and the knicks were able to finish ahead of them on the court. This is where fans count.

To me both teams "Won" as BKN had a successful season at the gate and made a big splash in its rebranding. If knicks were bad it would have been damaging. Businsess side both teams did very well.

I am suspicious that we cashed in a bit of future to pull this off. We gave up a very good prospect in Europe for Felton. Sure it was worth it this season, but he might have been a good asset going forward. Nets are stashing euro's and looking head while they have a pretty good team now.

Nalod enjoyed this season and think on the court it was fun and the team did well. I think it was a starphuch and a price will be paid which might not be a dramatic celler dweller existance but building a base for a long sustainable run does not seel like what is going on.

Miami is still golden for at least another year or as long as the Big three are reasonably healthy and lebron don't go back to cleveland.

Indy and Chicago seem like up and coming teams. Brooklyn is "interesting" with a core of three All-star caliber players and a bench I can't figure out. ATL made the playoffs and is shopping for a new coach. They are sort of in rebuilding mode despite. Boston with its aging core looks to enter a transition mode.

New CBA makes it easier for teams to retool but for now Miami has its Core. The next wave of teams could be like "Indy" and "Chicago" which stress chemistry and role players over stars. Stars eat cap space. Maybe its back to the era where you have to draft or grow your own stars because trading for them, and at the same time the cap space needed is a double edged sword. I know it was not possible but imagine a healthy AMare and Melo comes as a free agent. Not that we keep Gallo/Wilson/Etc but its obvious they could have been traded for other pieces that could have completed a great team. Im not lamenting, but its How Miami was able to do it.

Going forward in the internet era playing in NY is not as advantagious as it once was thought.

Nothing wrong with Melo other than the expectation he can carry the team to the finals.

Nobody but Lebron can.

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5/16/2013  10:16 AM
Nalod wrote:
Durant can't carry a team by himself in a conf. semi. Maybe only Lebron can in this era.

I think since much of this talk alludes as a measuring for Melo then we can conclude its about chemistry.

Chicago went far with awful injuries.

give Miami credit, they have won 45 of the last 48 games. They have no peer at this point.

One more time, 45 of 48 and includes two rounds of playoffs. Imagine a season start where you look in the standings and see:

wins Loss %
45 3 93.75

Yet, Wade is beat up, Bosh is "Pussy" and the rest of the team "sucks', Yet the record tells a story: Chemistry!

Is it sacrifice? Is it maturity? Coaching? Culture?

Or all the above?

We can "Blame" Melo, or Woodson, or Dolan but its not what we have, its what we lack and its a vision to win.

In retrospect if we lose tonite its not an object failure but a disspointment. The team was build to "win now" but if history tells us anything MSG with Dolan as the helm is run like an entertainment company and its stock has tripled in the last 3 years. The building is being renovated in the face of competition as was the knicks. The team was succesful in maintaining its fan base as the buzz died down in BKN and the knicks were able to finish ahead of them on the court. This is where fans count.

To me both teams "Won" as BKN had a successful season at the gate and made a big splash in its rebranding. If knicks were bad it would have been damaging. Businsess side both teams did very well.

I am suspicious that we cashed in a bit of future to pull this off. We gave up a very good prospect in Europe for Felton. Sure it was worth it this season, but he might have been a good asset going forward. Nets are stashing euro's and looking head while they have a pretty good team now.

Nalod enjoyed this season and think on the court it was fun and the team did well. I think it was a starphuch and a price will be paid which might not be a dramatic celler dweller existance but building a base for a long sustainable run does not seel like what is going on.

Miami is still golden for at least another year or as long as the Big three are reasonably healthy and lebron don't go back to cleveland.

Indy and Chicago seem like up and coming teams. Brooklyn is "interesting" with a core of three All-star caliber players and a bench I can't figure out. ATL made the playoffs and is shopping for a new coach. They are sort of in rebuilding mode despite. Boston with its aging core looks to enter a transition mode.

New CBA makes it easier for teams to retool but for now Miami has its Core. The next wave of teams could be like "Indy" and "Chicago" which stress chemistry and role players over stars. Stars eat cap space. Maybe its back to the era where you have to draft or grow your own stars because trading for them, and at the same time the cap space needed is a double edged sword. I know it was not possible but imagine a healthy AMare and Melo comes as a free agent. Not that we keep Gallo/Wilson/Etc but its obvious they could have been traded for other pieces that could have completed a great team. Im not lamenting, but its How Miami was able to do it.

Going forward in the internet era playing in NY is not as advantagious as it once was thought.

Nothing wrong with Melo other than the expectation he can carry the team to the finals.

Nobody but Lebron can.

thats true nalod, but i will also add, Derek rose is a STar, and paul George plays as well as any star in the league... zach and Gasol in memphis are not stars, but is there a better front line in the league?

Great teams win, and it takes special players, not necessarily stars to make up " great teams"...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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5/16/2013  10:27 AM
So....only MEM and GSW have ex-Knick players that we can disagree on still in the playoffs. Always liked ZBo. I think I am pulling for him to come out of the West with his Old Man game.
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5/16/2013  10:32 AM
tkf wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Durant can't carry a team by himself in a conf. semi. Maybe only Lebron can in this era.

I think since much of this talk alludes as a measuring for Melo then we can conclude its about chemistry.

Chicago went far with awful injuries.

give Miami credit, they have won 45 of the last 48 games. They have no peer at this point.

One more time, 45 of 48 and includes two rounds of playoffs. Imagine a season start where you look in the standings and see:

wins Loss %
45 3 93.75

Yet, Wade is beat up, Bosh is "Pussy" and the rest of the team "sucks', Yet the record tells a story: Chemistry!

Is it sacrifice? Is it maturity? Coaching? Culture?

Or all the above?

We can "Blame" Melo, or Woodson, or Dolan but its not what we have, its what we lack and its a vision to win.

In retrospect if we lose tonite its not an object failure but a disspointment. The team was build to "win now" but if history tells us anything MSG with Dolan as the helm is run like an entertainment company and its stock has tripled in the last 3 years. The building is being renovated in the face of competition as was the knicks. The team was succesful in maintaining its fan base as the buzz died down in BKN and the knicks were able to finish ahead of them on the court. This is where fans count.

To me both teams "Won" as BKN had a successful season at the gate and made a big splash in its rebranding. If knicks were bad it would have been damaging. Businsess side both teams did very well.

I am suspicious that we cashed in a bit of future to pull this off. We gave up a very good prospect in Europe for Felton. Sure it was worth it this season, but he might have been a good asset going forward. Nets are stashing euro's and looking head while they have a pretty good team now.

Nalod enjoyed this season and think on the court it was fun and the team did well. I think it was a starphuch and a price will be paid which might not be a dramatic celler dweller existance but building a base for a long sustainable run does not seel like what is going on.

Miami is still golden for at least another year or as long as the Big three are reasonably healthy and lebron don't go back to cleveland.

Indy and Chicago seem like up and coming teams. Brooklyn is "interesting" with a core of three All-star caliber players and a bench I can't figure out. ATL made the playoffs and is shopping for a new coach. They are sort of in rebuilding mode despite. Boston with its aging core looks to enter a transition mode.

New CBA makes it easier for teams to retool but for now Miami has its Core. The next wave of teams could be like "Indy" and "Chicago" which stress chemistry and role players over stars. Stars eat cap space. Maybe its back to the era where you have to draft or grow your own stars because trading for them, and at the same time the cap space needed is a double edged sword. I know it was not possible but imagine a healthy AMare and Melo comes as a free agent. Not that we keep Gallo/Wilson/Etc but its obvious they could have been traded for other pieces that could have completed a great team. Im not lamenting, but its How Miami was able to do it.

Going forward in the internet era playing in NY is not as advantagious as it once was thought.

Nothing wrong with Melo other than the expectation he can carry the team to the finals.

Nobody but Lebron can.

thats true nalod, but i will also add, Derek rose is a STar, and paul George plays as well as any star in the league... zach and Gasol in memphis are not stars, but is there a better front line in the league?

Great teams win, and it takes special players, not necessarily stars to make up " great teams"...


Or it could be that old school basketball wins over the new school game...Maybe having a center and a forward who can post still thumps everything else...PG centric offense where one guy dominates the ball is only a fad...Defense still wins rings...

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