tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:simple question.. you are starting a franchise, and you have to chose between carmelo and Durant, who do you take?

Better yet... OKC owner just lost his mind.. he calls dolan and says, I will trade you durant straight up for carmelo... would you advise dolan to make that move if he asked you?

Durant is 24 yrs old. Melo is 28 yrs old.

This is like asking who would you rather have Garnett or Griffin.

You obviously go with the younger player if you are building from scratch. In any case we aren't getting a prime anybody because the NBA system is structured so a max player will be locked into the team that drafted him for a minimum of 5 yrs and is more likely to 8 yrs when you consider their first max contract.

In the NBA it is Lebron James then everyone else. We arent getting Lebron James.

durant and Griffin are almost 14 years apart... come on now..

and I honestly believe if carmelo was 24 you would still take Durant..

Melo and Durant to me are a wash. Durant is more perimeter oriented while Melo can mix it up down low. You cant go wrong with either player assuming they are the same age.

but history so far tells us that you will go wrong if you chose melo over Durant...

after looking at both players, there is nothing out there that supports taking carmelo over durant..

If you put Durant on the teams that Melo have played on do you think they go further?

You think Durant gets this Knick team past the Pacer's? Get real man.

The NY media would eat Durant alive.

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:probably closer to beasley than he is lebron or durant.... LOL

I just don't get the fascination.. this guy is pretty much a volume chucker.. Yes he can score. especially when given 25+ shots... other than that, he offers absolutely nothing to a team that should warrant any GM or owner to pay his azz 20 million dollars and build a team around his skill set which pretty much leaves you with what we have now..

Fans are not asking for him to be perfect, just to be really good during this time of year, and he hasn't.. but that is no surprise to me, if you go back and look at his numbers.. yet some folks find joy in putting down a guy who is playing top level ball to somehow mind phuch us into believing that carmelo isn't playing that bad after all.. LOL.. come on man..

You dont like Melo because Gallo got traded for him just keep it real man.

Melo does the following that justify his salary

- Melo puts fans in the seats
- Melo gets teams to the playoffs which provides additional revenue
- Melo attracts other star players
- Melo helps build a culture of WINNING

I cant take someone serious who tries to talk up the likes of Kevin Martin and Monta Ellis as viable Carmelo Anthony replacements.

- Melo puts fans in the seats

TRUE but what kind of fans the dumb kind or the other kind? and what does this have to do with winning?

- Melo gets teams to the playoffs which provides additional revenue

TRUE but what does this have to do with winning a title?

- Melo attracts other star players

LOL

- Melo helps build a culture of WINNING

LMFAO

the last two not only have me, but one of my co-workers dying, he is neither a knick or nuggets fan, buit I had to call him into my office...... he asked me did carmelo have an account with this site... hahahaha

really one of the most unintentionally hilarious posts i have ever read about carmelo anthony.

but you know what TKF we're both knickerbocker fans so i hope melo puts up a MONSTER AND COMPLETE GAME tonight anyway.

he needs to be as dirk-like 2010-2011 as possible

TS% around 58%+, gets to the line 12 times, dishes out 6-7 assists, keeps the ball moving, takes only good shots, and defends the position.

i don't want to hear any nonsense about how he creates shots for others by drawing so much attention or how he did his job but other players just didn't step up.

we go down 3-1 it only cements melo's and woodson's legacies as postseason also-rans.

one can hope DK, but I am not counting on this at all....

honestly the knicks need felton to play well... he has been pretty bad lately... hopefully he can get chandler involved and help mitigate the damage Hibbert has been inflicting..

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:simple question.. you are starting a franchise, and you have to chose between carmelo and Durant, who do you take?

Better yet... OKC owner just lost his mind.. he calls dolan and says, I will trade you durant straight up for carmelo... would you advise dolan to make that move if he asked you?

Durant is 24 yrs old. Melo is 28 yrs old.

This is like asking who would you rather have Garnett or Griffin.

You obviously go with the younger player if you are building from scratch. In any case we aren't getting a prime anybody because the NBA system is structured so a max player will be locked into the team that drafted him for a minimum of 5 yrs and is more likely to 8 yrs when you consider their first max contract.

In the NBA it is Lebron James then everyone else. We arent getting Lebron James.

durant and Griffin are almost 14 years apart... come on now..

and I honestly believe if carmelo was 24 you would still take Durant..

Melo and Durant to me are a wash. Durant is more perimeter oriented while Melo can mix it up down low. You cant go wrong with either player assuming they are the same age.

but history so far tells us that you will go wrong if you chose melo over Durant...

after looking at both players, there is nothing out there that supports taking carmelo over durant..

If you put Durant on the teams that Melo have played on do you think they go further?

You think Durant gets this Knick team past the Pacer's? Get real man.

The NY media would eat Durant alive.

not only do I think Durant takes them further, but Durant on the knicks gets the knicks in the ECF with a real shot to beat miami.. durant will use what he has, he will get others involved... he will let felton run offense instead of standing on the wing begging for the ball.. so yes...

but hey, what was wrong with the teams melo played with, according to you melo attracts stars.. so which is it? which argument are you going to use here?

3G4G wrote:Why can't Melo attract non broken down help/STARS?

If Melo can wait by Greyhounds after games..... surely he can perform better in the playoffs when it matters!

Why does Melo need a 32yr old Billups to be successful at this stage in his career?

When Danny Granger said the Pacers were the 2nd best team in the East next to the Heat....Fits Of Rage developed....Now we're complaining about Tyson Chandler getting slapped silly by Hibbert down 2-1 and it's his fault along with the Motley Crue of Geriatrics but not Melo?

So supposedly no matter what moves we made, unless we brought Melo here we were going to be a perpetual lottery team....but then it can be said when it's time to rebuild and possibly move on without Melo we'll be fine and won't have to suffer perpetual lottery...

ROTFLOL....TROLOL.....LOLMNOP!!!!

- Denver signed Martin after Melo's rookie year and he was often injured. So a 2nd year player is supposed to have an effect on player acquisitions. SMH.

- Melo needed a Billups because he could shoot unlike Andre Miller and could handle the PG duties. Melo is not a PG. Melo is not Magic Johnson.

- I could care less if people complain about Melo. He takes suspect shots. He takes heat check shots. He is still at worse 3rd best SF in the NBA and we have him.

- Dude, Im not going to go down this hypothetical path of what could have happened with you.

Again you keep bouncing around from topic to topic.

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:not only do I think Durant takes them further, but Durant on the knicks gets the knicks in the ECF with a real shot to beat miami.. durant will use what he has, he will get others involved... he will let felton run offense instead of standing on the wing begging for the ball.. so yes...

but hey, what was wrong with the teams melo played with, according to you melo attracts stars.. so which is it? which argument are you going to use here?

This hypotheical stuff is a waste of our time.

Durant is down 3-1 and on the verge of being eliminated. Melo is about to be down 3-1 on the verge of being eliminated.

Tyson is talking about sharing the ball and Melo is talking about talking to Tyson and coming out aggressive.....Oy Vey!

Of course the hypothetical talk annoys you because you see the hypocrisy in trying to debate in the moment that differed from the past.

3G4G wrote:Tyson is talking about sharing the ball and Melo is talking about talking to Tyson and coming out aggressive.....Oy Vey!

Of course the hypothetical talk annoys you because you see the hypocrisy in trying to debate in the moment that differed from the past.

Im in the present and this is what I see.

It's like a time machine...

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:simple question.. you are starting a franchise, and you have to chose between carmelo and Durant, who do you take?

Better yet... OKC owner just lost his mind.. he calls dolan and says, I will trade you durant straight up for carmelo... would you advise dolan to make that move if he asked you?

Durant is 24 yrs old. Melo is 28 yrs old.

This is like asking who would you rather have Garnett or Griffin.

You obviously go with the younger player if you are building from scratch. In any case we aren't getting a prime anybody because the NBA system is structured so a max player will be locked into the team that drafted him for a minimum of 5 yrs and is more likely to 8 yrs when you consider their first max contract.

In the NBA it is Lebron James then everyone else. We arent getting Lebron James.

durant and Griffin are almost 14 years apart... come on now..

and I honestly believe if carmelo was 24 you would still take Durant..

Melo and Durant to me are a wash. Durant is more perimeter oriented while Melo can mix it up down low. You cant go wrong with either player assuming they are the same age.

but history so far tells us that you will go wrong if you chose melo over Durant...

after looking at both players, there is nothing out there that supports taking carmelo over durant..

If you put Durant on the teams that Melo have played on do you think they go further?

Actually, yes. Between scoring efficiency, blocks, rebounds, assists, stls, the difference is big enough to equal at least +10 points for us. We probably also would have beaten the Celtics quicker and had more time for guys to rest. No one's saying Carmelo is an awful player but it's hard to miss how huge the difference is between him and KD.

My rebuttal to your purchase.....you should have bought a Honda Accord(always a nice commodity to have although may not rate at peak in comparison to all vehicles) All Wheel Drive and been happy with that.

You're gonna get about the same results at the end of the day.

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:Why can't Melo attract non broken down help/STARS?

If Melo can wait by Greyhounds after games..... surely he can perform better in the playoffs when it matters!

Why does Melo need a 32yr old Billups to be successful at this stage in his career?

When Danny Granger said the Pacers were the 2nd best team in the East next to the Heat....Fits Of Rage developed....Now we're complaining about Tyson Chandler getting slapped silly by Hibbert down 2-1 and it's his fault along with the Motley Crue of Geriatrics but not Melo?

So supposedly no matter what moves we made, unless we brought Melo here we were going to be a perpetual lottery team....but then it can be said when it's time to rebuild and possibly move on without Melo we'll be fine and won't have to suffer perpetual lottery...

ROTFLOL....TROLOL.....LOLMNOP!!!!

U have zero cred..U wanted to build around Gallo...

Nope sure didn't I was actually not too high on Gallo and thought he was slightly overrated. That's been well documented. Although I would have had no problem keeping him to see if he developed more.

So your creed drops for not following arguments closely, heck I dropped a clue in this very recent discussion about not keeping Gallo. Funny how some of you get when his name is mentioned....

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:Why can't Melo attract non broken down help/STARS?

If Melo can wait by Greyhounds after games..... surely he can perform better in the playoffs when it matters!

Why does Melo need a 32yr old Billups to be successful at this stage in his career?

When Danny Granger said the Pacers were the 2nd best team in the East next to the Heat....Fits Of Rage developed....Now we're complaining about Tyson Chandler getting slapped silly by Hibbert down 2-1 and it's his fault along with the Motley Crue of Geriatrics but not Melo?

So supposedly no matter what moves we made, unless we brought Melo here we were going to be a perpetual lottery team....but then it can be said when it's time to rebuild and possibly move on without Melo we'll be fine and won't have to suffer perpetual lottery...

ROTFLOL....TROLOL.....LOLMNOP!!!!

U have zero cred..U wanted to build around Gallo...

Nope sure didn't I was actually not too high on Gallo and thought he was slightly overrated. That's been well documented. Although I would have had no problem keeping him to see if he developed more.

So your creed drops for not following arguments closely, heck I dropped a clue in this very recent discussion about not keeping Gallo. Funny how some of you get when his name is mentioned....

Well documented? Your join date is 9/12. Did you post under another name?

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:Why can't Melo attract non broken down help/STARS?

If Melo can wait by Greyhounds after games..... surely he can perform better in the playoffs when it matters!

Why does Melo need a 32yr old Billups to be successful at this stage in his career?

When Danny Granger said the Pacers were the 2nd best team in the East next to the Heat....Fits Of Rage developed....Now we're complaining about Tyson Chandler getting slapped silly by Hibbert down 2-1 and it's his fault along with the Motley Crue of Geriatrics but not Melo?

So supposedly no matter what moves we made, unless we brought Melo here we were going to be a perpetual lottery team....but then it can be said when it's time to rebuild and possibly move on without Melo we'll be fine and won't have to suffer perpetual lottery...

ROTFLOL....TROLOL.....LOLMNOP!!!!

U have zero cred..U wanted to build around Gallo...

Nope sure didn't I was actually not too high on Gallo and thought he was slightly overrated. That's been well documented. Although I would have had no problem keeping him to see if he developed more.

So your creed drops for not following arguments closely, heck I dropped a clue in this very recent discussion about not keeping Gallo. Funny how some of you get when his name is mentioned....

U admitted earlier that u wanted to add pieces around Gallo...According to you, u also support no one..But Im sure that would be different if we knew what your previous screen name was...

Wrong again follow the thread...

I said....

Chandler and Gallo needed the same help and we had resources to get them help, without crippling our future or financial flexibility.

This is more a statement of observation and reflection than anything else. It's not saying build around Chandler and Gallo

I then went on to say...

Heck we could have hung on to David Lee for less mula and still been in the Melo hunt not in case Amar'e signed in New Jersey. Oh and while still having the flexibility to trade Gallo/Chandler/Fields/Douglas and whatever assets we had in the fold. You can't run an organization with shortsightedness because as TKF says...."TOMORROW IS GONNA COME"....

Which supports my earlier statement....

I'm a build the team methodically guy without swinging and whiffing for the fences 75% at bats

And Gallo history well documented....Here's exhibit Z-913-File Flexibility....

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/post.asp?m=q&r=1004466&t=43185&page=14

I was never not of the mindset Gallo/Chandler/Moz/AR couldn't be traded but I wanted low risk high reward type of trades always leaving room for flexibility.

This team since acquiring Melo and Chandler have been nothing remarkably better than the team prior to. If you factor coaching change and no constant rumor of trades then who knows.

I do not want to shrink a team's competitive life cycle to a 2yr window, while capping the heck out of it, and throwing away all assets.

Okay you guys hated Gallo to no end, guess he wasn't a major favorite of mine, I had him in the mix of many trades. Here's the thing we knew he had value in this league and he always had room to grow as a player. Therefore while we maintained our level of overall improved team play in comparison to prior yrs maybe in time he improves his league value. Yes he's been brittle as has Chandler but if you put them on the market now considering all of their injury history I'd wager they'd bring back more to a team than say Amar'e right now.

My examples of player combinations were simply examples they weren't absolutes.

But yes I'd take Josh Smith @ $13mil and O.J. Mayo @ $4mil over $20mil of Carmelo all day every day 100000000 out of 1. Because $17mil for 2 players is better than $20mil for 1 player. If Melo was on the market today isn't this the package he pretty much gets traded for?

For the record I'd take $13mil of Josh Smith and $4mil of O.J. Mayo over $10mil of Gallo and $6mil of Chandler and $3mil of Moz....because the other package is cheaper and probably better in talent.

oh and I'm keeping my picks in the process

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