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5/14/2013  11:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2013  11:38 AM
Uptown wrote:
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Uptown wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Uptown wrote:
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Hersports85 wrote:
3G4G wrote:Durant has not been efficient in the 4th when it matters. If he cares about finishing second he has to fix this.

+10000

At the same time this proves Memphis has the better TEAM but not the best STAR.....Put a great TEAM together you can beat the STAR....


Gotta Have DAT STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR......at least that's what we've been told.....


The series isn't over yet....


Funny thing is O.J. Mayo was supposed to be the next Kobe he was gonna be DAT STAR in Memphis supposedly 1-2 punch with GAY. Memphis said faghettaboudit we have just as good a chance reaching the WCF and/or Finals without either of you....


One has to be very cautious who you deem a STAR/SUPERSTAR...there are maybe only 3 in this league at best.

History tells us that you need a Star/MVP to win the 'Chip not to adnvance a round in the playoffs...When and if the Grizz beat Lebron and the Heat for the title, then their would be something to discuss....

Then we should have never got Melo with the team we put together because we're clearly not beating him and never will as long as he has a pulse. History tells us the game is changing. If anything you need a Dirk/Duncan/Durant....Garnett/Pierce combo type talent to have a chance to beat Lebron

How were we going to get our hands on those players? Regardless of much some people on this board perfer potential over reality, Gallo and ill-Will were not going to develop into elite level players. But they would have been good enough to lead us into the black-hole of middle of the pack mediocrity. So what were we supposed to do after Lebron said no and left us standing at the alter? The biggest mistake imo was signing Stat to that unmovable contract. Once we did that we were stuck and had to salavge that situation. They added Melo in hopes that, that combo would lift us into the elite class and compete with Lebron, delusional or not. Head to head, Melo's teams beat Lebrons team more than he lost to them before he arrived here. I still believe you can win a 'chip with Melo on a team because I believe he is just as good as Pierce, but he needs another elite player to play with along the lines of prime KG, etc. Stat has been unhealthy since Melo's arrival...and he's missed that second talented player to form that combo.....To expect Melo to put this team on his back (without that other player to form the combo that you acknowlede) and beat a really good Pacer team is expecting a bit much imo. Would love to see it, but he does need help....

Chandler and Gallo needed the same help and we had resources to get them help, without crippling our future or financial flexibility.

But here we see you getting on a poster for making excuses comparing a player vs another player and you making excuses for current player vs past players....


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First off, your bosom buddy can speak himself....My response to him had nothing to do with calling him out about player vs player, but moreso about his inability to have an unbiased, objective convo about Melo....

And the help that role players like Chandler and Gallo needed was from a player like Lebron who said no....again, what was the next move?


Blake and Jordan needed CP3 they beat Memphis 1 yr and got bounced the next

Gasol and Conley needed Randolph they got beat by the Clips 1 yr and got past them the next....


See how it can go both ways and not to the extremes you're trying to paint? Melo has taken us nowhere.

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5/14/2013  11:36 AM
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Hersports85 wrote:Damn, I really wanted a OKC/GSW finals. But this just shows that no matter how good or efficient a player maybe, he need a consistent #2 guy, not someone who has a 50/50 chance of having a good night. My guess is that this will make people appreciate westbrook more.

or maybe the other team is just better.. the grizzlies, like the pacers are big, physical teams, that play solid on both sides of the ball, they don't depend on one or two players, but rather focus on TEAM ball... the thunder are also a great team, just getting beat by a team that is playing better right now... Durant is playing well, if he were struggling then I could understand the criticism... but he is playing well and the series isn't over... especially with him still playing well..

Where did i criticize Durant? Memphis has 3 guys that consistently show up every game - Conley, Gasol, and Randolph. Who besides Durant that you can count on right now in these playoffs to perform every single night? If you think Westbrook doesn't effect this series or that Durant need help, then we just disagree.

And yes, Durant is playing well, but this is the 2nd time during crunch time he has faded away. It takes a 1 second to turn on any sports radio station or channel and just about every single analyst and former NBA player is saying the same thing. Not like I'm making this up nor trying to have some underlying agenda.

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5/14/2013  11:37 AM
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Bonn1997 wrote:Durant has shot almost 50% with Westbrook out (90 for 185). You know he had occasional bad shooting nights when Westbrook was healthy too, right?

good point bonn.. it is just sad how some will try to discredit durant in order to defend carmelo. even more sad that they just can't let carmelo be judged on his own merit... I think they are scared at what they really might find..

Durant is great, and with or without Westbrook, they could be down 3-1 still... the grizzlies are a good team, very good team with no "star" or " go to guy" supposedly.... they can beat anyone and have been a very good team all year..

Series is not over and Durant has been playing well, as long as he keeps playing well the thunder have a chance to win every game..

This post is a prime example of why you lose some credibility when discussing Melo. In defense of Durant, you make sure to point out that Durant is playing well eventhough he is still losing. Not only that, but you atcually take to the time to acknowledge the opponent and why they are beating the Thunder. When you knock Melo for his playoff record in Denver, you hardly ever mention that he was losing to the Spurs and Lakers and that his teams didn't have homecourt advantage nor a chance in h*% to win. You very black-n-white when discussing Melo is my point....


Uptown I agree with what you're saying but he just doesnt like Melo. No problem with that and but theres no way we're gonna change it.

Agreed. Not trying to change his mind, could care less actually. But its ironic that he's calling other peoples posts sad, when the majority of his about Melo is biased and subjective....

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5/14/2013  11:39 AM
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Uptown wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Uptown wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:
3G4G wrote:Durant has not been efficient in the 4th when it matters. If he cares about finishing second he has to fix this.

+10000

At the same time this proves Memphis has the better TEAM but not the best STAR.....Put a great TEAM together you can beat the STAR....


Gotta Have DAT STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR......at least that's what we've been told.....


The series isn't over yet....


Funny thing is O.J. Mayo was supposed to be the next Kobe he was gonna be DAT STAR in Memphis supposedly 1-2 punch with GAY. Memphis said faghettaboudit we have just as good a chance reaching the WCF and/or Finals without either of you....


One has to be very cautious who you deem a STAR/SUPERSTAR...there are maybe only 3 in this league at best.

History tells us that you need a Star/MVP to win the 'Chip not to adnvance a round in the playoffs...When and if the Grizz beat Lebron and the Heat for the title, then their would be something to discuss....

Then we should have never got Melo with the team we put together because we're clearly not beating him and never will as long as he has a pulse. History tells us the game is changing. If anything you need a Dirk/Duncan/Durant....Garnett/Pierce combo type talent to have a chance to beat Lebron

How were we going to get our hands on those players? Regardless of much some people on this board perfer potential over reality, Gallo and ill-Will were not going to develop into elite level players. But they would have been good enough to lead us into the black-hole of middle of the pack mediocrity. So what were we supposed to do after Lebron said no and left us standing at the alter? The biggest mistake imo was signing Stat to that unmovable contract. Once we did that we were stuck and had to salavge that situation. They added Melo in hopes that, that combo would lift us into the elite class and compete with Lebron, delusional or not. Head to head, Melo's teams beat Lebrons team more than he lost to them before he arrived here. I still believe you can win a 'chip with Melo on a team because I believe he is just as good as Pierce, but he needs another elite player to play with along the lines of prime KG, etc. Stat has been unhealthy since Melo's arrival...and he's missed that second talented player to form that combo.....To expect Melo to put this team on his back (without that other player to form the combo that you acknowlede) and beat a really good Pacer team is expecting a bit much imo. Would love to see it, but he does need help....

Chandler and Gallo needed the same help and we had resources to get them help, without crippling our future or financial flexibility.

But here we see you getting on a poster for making excuses comparing a player vs another player and you making excuses for current player vs past players....


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Ahhhhh...So you are a Gallo guy...

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5/14/2013  11:39 AM
LMAO the excuses for Durant are hilarious.

The Memphis vs OKC games have been super close in the last 2 minutes. Durant hasn't been able to close without Westbrook.

If Durant is "tired" from extended minutes now then imagine if Durant played an entire season without Westbrook.

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5/14/2013  11:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2013  11:44 AM
Durant is being criticized for his down the stretch play EVERYWHERE today. But I guess on Ultimate Knicks, the only person you can criticize is Melo. LOL go figure.

How many times did Lebron get murdered for the same exact thing the year before last? Nothing wrong with saying that Durant need Westbrook or that he has to perform better down the stretch and that has nothing to do with Melo nor does it take away from Durant's game.

My God... man up! Can't have a discussion about basketball without the same talking points being thrown around. Ok ... we get how you feel, add something else to the discussion.

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5/14/2013  11:44 AM
AnubisADL wrote:LMAO the excuses for Durant are hilarious.

The Memphis vs OKC games have been super close in the last 2 minutes. Durant hasn't been able to close without Westbrook.

If Durant is "tired" from extended minutes now then imagine if Durant played an entire season without Westbrook.

+1

Hard to be super efficient and win at the same time, without a number 2 in Westbrook and number 3 in Harden to ease the pressure.

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5/14/2013  11:45 AM
3G4G wrote:
holfresh wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Uptown wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Uptown wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:
3G4G wrote:Durant has not been efficient in the 4th when it matters. If he cares about finishing second he has to fix this.

+10000

At the same time this proves Memphis has the better TEAM but not the best STAR.....Put a great TEAM together you can beat the STAR....


Gotta Have DAT STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR STAR......at least that's what we've been told.....


The series isn't over yet....


Funny thing is O.J. Mayo was supposed to be the next Kobe he was gonna be DAT STAR in Memphis supposedly 1-2 punch with GAY. Memphis said faghettaboudit we have just as good a chance reaching the WCF and/or Finals without either of you....


One has to be very cautious who you deem a STAR/SUPERSTAR...there are maybe only 3 in this league at best.

History tells us that you need a Star/MVP to win the 'Chip not to adnvance a round in the playoffs...When and if the Grizz beat Lebron and the Heat for the title, then their would be something to discuss....

Then we should have never got Melo with the team we put together because we're clearly not beating him and never will as long as he has a pulse. History tells us the game is changing. If anything you need a Dirk/Duncan/Durant....Garnett/Pierce combo type talent to have a chance to beat Lebron

How were we going to get our hands on those players? Regardless of much some people on this board perfer potential over reality, Gallo and ill-Will were not going to develop into elite level players. But they would have been good enough to lead us into the black-hole of middle of the pack mediocrity. So what were we supposed to do after Lebron said no and left us standing at the alter? The biggest mistake imo was signing Stat to that unmovable contract. Once we did that we were stuck and had to salavge that situation. They added Melo in hopes that, that combo would lift us into the elite class and compete with Lebron, delusional or not. Head to head, Melo's teams beat Lebrons team more than he lost to them before he arrived here. I still believe you can win a 'chip with Melo on a team because I believe he is just as good as Pierce, but he needs another elite player to play with along the lines of prime KG, etc. Stat has been unhealthy since Melo's arrival...and he's missed that second talented player to form that combo.....To expect Melo to put this team on his back (without that other player to form the combo that you acknowlede) and beat a really good Pacer team is expecting a bit much imo. Would love to see it, but he does need help....

Chandler and Gallo needed the same help and we had resources to get them help, without crippling our future or financial flexibility.

But here we see you getting on a poster for making excuses comparing a player vs another player and you making excuses for current player vs past players....


POT MEET THE FREAKING KETTLE AND BLACK OUT ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK

Ahhhhh...So you are a Gallo guy...

I'm a build the team methodically guy without swinging and whiffing for the fences 75% at bats

All the while u run around here not letting anyone know how u stand...

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5/14/2013  12:11 PM
Hersports85 wrote:Durant is being criticized for his down the stretch play EVERYWHERE today. But I guess on Ultimate Knicks, the only person you can criticize is Melo. LOL go figure.

How many times did Lebron get murdered for the same exact thing the year before last? Nothing wrong with saying that Durant need Westbrook or that he has to perform better down the stretch and that has nothing to do with Melo nor does it take away from Durant's game.

My God... man up! Can't have a discussion about basketball without the same talking points being thrown around. Ok ... we get how you feel, add something else to the discussion.

I'm one of those who have criticized him and my criticism goes back to his overall state of mind. He comes off a little fragile IMO. He's still a better player than Carmelo. But if this makes the pillow a little fluffier at night I guess I understand.

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5/14/2013  12:26 PM
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:Durant is being criticized for his down the stretch play EVERYWHERE today. But I guess on Ultimate Knicks, the only person you can criticize is Melo. LOL go figure.

How many times did Lebron get murdered for the same exact thing the year before last? Nothing wrong with saying that Durant need Westbrook or that he has to perform better down the stretch and that has nothing to do with Melo nor does it take away from Durant's game.

My God... man up! Can't have a discussion about basketball without the same talking points being thrown around. Ok ... we get how you feel, add something else to the discussion.

I'm one of those who have criticized him and my criticism goes back to his overall state of mind. He comes off a little fragile IMO. He's still a better player than Carmelo. But if this makes the pillow a little fluffier at night I guess I understand.

He is a better player, I don't think anyone denied that. Nor did I even bring Melo into the discussion, matter of fact I think it was Brent Barry last night who was the first to say - Melo would get killed for this - something along those lines.

Anyway, OKC Vs Mem has nothing to do with what the knicks are doing. I just stated that Durant need help and has to perform better and people have a problem with those statements. It's always an agenda on this board. And a lot of jumping on team bandwagons.

Maybe it's the opposite, maybe some others need their pillows a little fluffier because I have no problem sleeping at night. It's just basketball ... nothing about it is personal for me because I don't personally know these players.

It's just a serious problem when you can't talk about how a player need to improve without someone taking a shot at Melo or how they don't like how our team is built.

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5/14/2013  12:27 PM
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Hersports85 wrote:Durant is being criticized for his down the stretch play EVERYWHERE today. But I guess on Ultimate Knicks, the only person you can criticize is Melo. LOL go figure.

How many times did Lebron get murdered for the same exact thing the year before last? Nothing wrong with saying that Durant need Westbrook or that he has to perform better down the stretch and that has nothing to do with Melo nor does it take away from Durant's game.

My God... man up! Can't have a discussion about basketball without the same talking points being thrown around. Ok ... we get how you feel, add something else to the discussion.

I'm one of those who have criticized him and my criticism goes back to his overall state of mind. He comes off a little fragile IMO. He's still a better player than Carmelo. But if this makes the pillow a little fluffier at night I guess I understand.

What makes KD a better player.

KD has had the LUXURY of playing with Westbrook and Harden for the last few years. Obviously it's easier to pick your spots when you have others who can pick up the scoring load and allow you to coast a little.

Melo played his BEST playoff ball with Billups with a TS% of .564 averaging about 19-20 FGAs. Do you honestly think it's coincidence Melo plays his best ball with a PG who can score AND distribute. BTW, Billups was 32 yrs old.

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5/14/2013  12:34 PM
KD went 2 for 13 in the 4th and O last night. Including a few 3 ft shots. When its any other player that you don't adore, thats called choking. If Melo does that tonight, and we lose, hes gonna rightly get killed. KD seems to be impervious to criticism. Everyone says he is a superstar, he has the chance to show it with Westbrook out and in the most important game he choked. We'll see what gam3 5 holds for him and what game 4 holds for Melo.
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5/14/2013  12:35 PM
Hersports85 wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:Durant is being criticized for his down the stretch play EVERYWHERE today. But I guess on Ultimate Knicks, the only person you can criticize is Melo. LOL go figure.

How many times did Lebron get murdered for the same exact thing the year before last? Nothing wrong with saying that Durant need Westbrook or that he has to perform better down the stretch and that has nothing to do with Melo nor does it take away from Durant's game.

My God... man up! Can't have a discussion about basketball without the same talking points being thrown around. Ok ... we get how you feel, add something else to the discussion.

I'm one of those who have criticized him and my criticism goes back to his overall state of mind. He comes off a little fragile IMO. He's still a better player than Carmelo. But if this makes the pillow a little fluffier at night I guess I understand.

He is a better player, I don't think anyone denied that. Nor did I even bring Melo into the discussion, matter of fact I think it was Brent Barry last night who was the first to say - Melo would get killed for this - something along those lines.

Anyway, OKC Vs Mem has nothing to do with what the knicks are doing. I just stated that Durant need help and has to perform better and people have a problem with those statements. It's always an agenda on this board. And a lot of jumping on team bandwagons.

Maybe it's the opposite, maybe some others need their pillows a little fluffier because I have no problem sleeping at night. It's just basketball ... nothing about it is personal for me because I don't personally know these players.

It's just a serious problem when you can't talk about how a player need to improve without someone taking a shot at Melo or how they don't like how our team is built.

Well to be more accurate this thread of late has been about stamping down Durant to prop up Melo. There is nothing wrong with being an efficient player. No one said being efficient=Chips.

I think if fans took their Melo love out of this thread..OKC has a little but of the same problems this series as we're having with the Pacers. The overall performance of role players has been lacking, the noticeable difference is Durant has carried his weight for the most part with exception to late game execution...... while Melo is struggling to find a groove through the games period.

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5/14/2013  12:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2013  3:21 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:Durant is being criticized for his down the stretch play EVERYWHERE today. But I guess on Ultimate Knicks, the only person you can criticize is Melo. LOL go figure.

How many times did Lebron get murdered for the same exact thing the year before last? Nothing wrong with saying that Durant need Westbrook or that he has to perform better down the stretch and that has nothing to do with Melo nor does it take away from Durant's game.

My God... man up! Can't have a discussion about basketball without the same talking points being thrown around. Ok ... we get how you feel, add something else to the discussion.

I'm one of those who have criticized him and my criticism goes back to his overall state of mind. He comes off a little fragile IMO. He's still a better player than Carmelo. But if this makes the pillow a little fluffier at night I guess I understand.

What makes KD a better player.

KD has had the LUXURY of playing with Westbrook and Harden for the last few years. Obviously it's easier to pick your spots when you have others who can pick up the scoring load and allow you to coast a little.

Melo played his BEST playoff ball with Billups with a TS% of .564 averaging about 19-20 FGAs. Do you honestly think it's coincidence Melo plays his best ball with a PG who can score AND distribute. BTW, Billups was 32 yrs old.

He contributes in other areas of the game on a more consistent basis than Melo and he's a better offensive(TEAM) player by the numbers. You guys keep harping on what's befalling Melo. Look we had tons of data before us before we made the trade for him. We knew what kind of player he was, we knew what he needed in order to advance far in the post-season....


If we still haven't managed to find Melo his Billups/younger Camby and K-Mart/young Amar'e Stoudemire then sorry those excuses won't cut it. If the project fails this year that's 3yrs of what can we do to help Melo. You can only keep saying this so long. A $20MIL DOLLAR STAR SHOULDN'T BE SO NEEDY!!!


As far as this yr's playoffs if it wasn't for the pay of Shump/Felton/Pablo....Melo might be in a gym in Las Vegas.... sparring with Pretty Boy Floyd right about now.

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5/14/2013  12:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2013  12:51 PM
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:
3G4G wrote:
Hersports85 wrote:Durant is being criticized for his down the stretch play EVERYWHERE today. But I guess on Ultimate Knicks, the only person you can criticize is Melo. LOL go figure.

How many times did Lebron get murdered for the same exact thing the year before last? Nothing wrong with saying that Durant need Westbrook or that he has to perform better down the stretch and that has nothing to do with Melo nor does it take away from Durant's game.

My God... man up! Can't have a discussion about basketball without the same talking points being thrown around. Ok ... we get how you feel, add something else to the discussion.

I'm one of those who have criticized him and my criticism goes back to his overall state of mind. He comes off a little fragile IMO. He's still a better player than Carmelo. But if this makes the pillow a little fluffier at night I guess I understand.

He is a better player, I don't think anyone denied that. Nor did I even bring Melo into the discussion, matter of fact I think it was Brent Barry last night who was the first to say - Melo would get killed for this - something along those lines.

Anyway, OKC Vs Mem has nothing to do with what the knicks are doing. I just stated that Durant need help and has to perform better and people have a problem with those statements. It's always an agenda on this board. And a lot of jumping on team bandwagons.

Maybe it's the opposite, maybe some others need their pillows a little fluffier because I have no problem sleeping at night. It's just basketball ... nothing about it is personal for me because I don't personally know these players.

It's just a serious problem when you can't talk about how a player need to improve without someone taking a shot at Melo or how they don't like how our team is built.

Well to be more accurate this thread of late has been about stamping down Durant to prop up Melo. There is nothing wrong with being an efficient player. No one said being efficient=Chips.

I think if fans took their Melo love out of this thread..OKC has a little but of the same problems this series as we're having with the Pacers. The overall performance of role players has been lacking, the noticeable difference is Durant has carried his weight for the most part with exception to late game execution...... while Melo is struggling to find a groove through the games period.

I completely agree. However, despite other players performing horribly, both Durant and Melo could have won a game for their team by performing better, whether down the stretch or in crunch time.

Melo - Need to put together a complete game of shooting better, rebounding and passing.

Durant - does this for most of the game, but in the last 2 games, he has "choked" in the 4th and OT. Those 2 missed freethrows and jumper in game 3 when the score was tied killed their chances.

Bottom line, both performances ended in losses for each one ... They have to perform on the level or somewhat close to Lebron when those role players fail to step up

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5/14/2013  1:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2013  1:07 PM
3G4G wrote:He contributes in other areas of the game on a more consistent basis than Melo and he's a better offensive(TEAM) player by the numbers. You guys keep harping on what's befalling Melo. Look we had tons of data before us before we made the trade for him. We knew what kind of player he was, we knew what he needed in order to advance far in the post-season....


If we still haven't managed to find Melo his Billups/younger Camby and K-Mart/young Amar'e Stoudemire then sorry those excuses won't cut it. If the project fails this year that's 3yrs of what can we do to help Melo. You can only keep saying this so long. A $20MIL DOLLAR SATR SHOULDN'T BE SO NEEDY!!!


As far as this yr's playoffs if it wasn't for the pay of Shump/Felton/Pablo....Melo might be in a gym in Las Vegas.... sparring with Pretty Boy Floyd right about now.

LOL man you never fail to amaze me.

Again, it is easier to contribute consistently when you have consistent help in Westbrook and Harden.

Melo is needy? He takes a team of geriatric players and castaways to the 2nd seed yet he is needy. Uh huh.

If it wasnt for Melo the Knicks might not be in the playoffs or would have gotten owned by Miami in the first round.

Melo isnt perfect but you and some others act like the guy is Michael Beasley.

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5/14/2013  1:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2013  1:21 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
3G4G wrote:He contributes in other areas of the game on a more consistent basis than Melo and he's a better offensive(TEAM) player by the numbers. You guys keep harping on what's befalling Melo. Look we had tons of data before us before we made the trade for him. We knew what kind of player he was, we knew what he needed in order to advance far in the post-season....


If we still haven't managed to find Melo his Billups/younger Camby and K-Mart/young Amar'e Stoudemire then sorry those excuses won't cut it. If the project fails this year that's 3yrs of what can we do to help Melo. You can only keep saying this so long. A $20MIL DOLLAR SATR SHOULDN'T BE SO NEEDY!!!


As far as this yr's playoffs if it wasn't for the pay of Shump/Felton/Pablo....Melo might be in a gym in Las Vegas.... sparring with Pretty Boy Floyd right about now.

LOL man you never fail to amaze me.

Again, it is easier to contribute consistently when you have consistent help in Westbrook and Harden.

Melo is needy? He takes a team of geriatric players and castaways to the 2nd seed yet he is needy. Uh huh.

If it wasnt for Melo the Knicks might not be in the playoffs or would have gotten owned by Miami in the first round.

Melo isnt perfect but you and some others act like the guy is Michael Beasley.

Durant is still consistent in their absence. He had a historical yr without Harden on the team and he's playing well by the numbers in the post-season without WestBrook. Durant is slightly less clutch and a bit erratic down the stretch these playoffs but his body of work stands. Meanwhile Melo has been playing like Micheal Beasley these playoffs.


So which is it Grunny put the best team he's ever been on around him(an admission from your HERO'S mouth) or Melo needs a far better supporting cast? In one thread fans want to big up Grunny and then in another thread fans want to trash Melo's teammates. Typical Typical Typical....


Like I said those geriatrics got him past the Celtics otherwise he'd be trying to line up a bout with Pacquiao in August....

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5/14/2013  1:42 PM
3G4G wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
3G4G wrote:He contributes in other areas of the game on a more consistent basis than Melo and he's a better offensive(TEAM) player by the numbers. You guys keep harping on what's befalling Melo. Look we had tons of data before us before we made the trade for him. We knew what kind of player he was, we knew what he needed in order to advance far in the post-season....


If we still haven't managed to find Melo his Billups/younger Camby and K-Mart/young Amar'e Stoudemire then sorry those excuses won't cut it. If the project fails this year that's 3yrs of what can we do to help Melo. You can only keep saying this so long. A $20MIL DOLLAR SATR SHOULDN'T BE SO NEEDY!!!


As far as this yr's playoffs if it wasn't for the pay of Shump/Felton/Pablo....Melo might be in a gym in Las Vegas.... sparring with Pretty Boy Floyd right about now.

LOL man you never fail to amaze me.

Again, it is easier to contribute consistently when you have consistent help in Westbrook and Harden.

Melo is needy? He takes a team of geriatric players and castaways to the 2nd seed yet he is needy. Uh huh.

If it wasnt for Melo the Knicks might not be in the playoffs or would have gotten owned by Miami in the first round.

Melo isnt perfect but you and some others act like the guy is Michael Beasley.

Durant is still consistent in their absence. He had a historical yr without Harden on the team and he's playing well by the numbers in the post-season without WestBrook. Durant is slightly less clutch and a bit erratic down the stretch these playoffs but his body of work stands. Meanwhile Melo has been playing like Micheal Beasley these playoffs.


So which is it Grunny put the best team he's ever been on around him(an admission from your HERO'S mouth) or Melo needs a far better supporting cast? In one thread fans want to big up Grunny and then in another thread fans want to trash Melo's teammates. Typical Typical Typical....


Like I said those geriatrics got him past the Celtics otherwise he'd be trying to line up a bout with Pacquiao in August....

OKC replaced Harden with Kevin Martin. Obviously a downgrade but still manageable. NYK replaced Amare with who?

Grunwald is making lemonade out of lemons. Amare making 20 million to sit in a suit. Tyson 15 million per to play like TRASH. I dont recall Grunwald signing Amare to a 100 million dollar uninsured contract. I'm just saying.

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5/14/2013  1:47 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
3G4G wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
3G4G wrote:He contributes in other areas of the game on a more consistent basis than Melo and he's a better offensive(TEAM) player by the numbers. You guys keep harping on what's befalling Melo. Look we had tons of data before us before we made the trade for him. We knew what kind of player he was, we knew what he needed in order to advance far in the post-season....


If we still haven't managed to find Melo his Billups/younger Camby and K-Mart/young Amar'e Stoudemire then sorry those excuses won't cut it. If the project fails this year that's 3yrs of what can we do to help Melo. You can only keep saying this so long. A $20MIL DOLLAR SATR SHOULDN'T BE SO NEEDY!!!


As far as this yr's playoffs if it wasn't for the pay of Shump/Felton/Pablo....Melo might be in a gym in Las Vegas.... sparring with Pretty Boy Floyd right about now.

LOL man you never fail to amaze me.

Again, it is easier to contribute consistently when you have consistent help in Westbrook and Harden.

Melo is needy? He takes a team of geriatric players and castaways to the 2nd seed yet he is needy. Uh huh.

If it wasnt for Melo the Knicks might not be in the playoffs or would have gotten owned by Miami in the first round.

Melo isnt perfect but you and some others act like the guy is Michael Beasley.

Durant is still consistent in their absence. He had a historical yr without Harden on the team and he's playing well by the numbers in the post-season without WestBrook. Durant is slightly less clutch and a bit erratic down the stretch these playoffs but his body of work stands. Meanwhile Melo has been playing like Micheal Beasley these playoffs.


So which is it Grunny put the best team he's ever been on around him(an admission from your HERO'S mouth) or Melo needs a far better supporting cast? In one thread fans want to big up Grunny and then in another thread fans want to trash Melo's teammates. Typical Typical Typical....


Like I said those geriatrics got him past the Celtics otherwise he'd be trying to line up a bout with Pacquiao in August....

OKC replaced Harden with Kevin Martin. Obviously a downgrade but still manageable. NYK replaced Amare with who?

Grunwald is making lemonade out of lemons. Amare making 20 million to sit in a suit. Tyson 15 million per to play like TRASH. I dont recall Grunwald signing Amare to a 100 million dollar uninsured contract. I'm just saying.

in this entire back and forth nobody has spoken about matchups.

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5/14/2013  1:51 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
3G4G wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
3G4G wrote:He contributes in other areas of the game on a more consistent basis than Melo and he's a better offensive(TEAM) player by the numbers. You guys keep harping on what's befalling Melo. Look we had tons of data before us before we made the trade for him. We knew what kind of player he was, we knew what he needed in order to advance far in the post-season....


If we still haven't managed to find Melo his Billups/younger Camby and K-Mart/young Amar'e Stoudemire then sorry those excuses won't cut it. If the project fails this year that's 3yrs of what can we do to help Melo. You can only keep saying this so long. A $20MIL DOLLAR SATR SHOULDN'T BE SO NEEDY!!!


As far as this yr's playoffs if it wasn't for the pay of Shump/Felton/Pablo....Melo might be in a gym in Las Vegas.... sparring with Pretty Boy Floyd right about now.

LOL man you never fail to amaze me.

Again, it is easier to contribute consistently when you have consistent help in Westbrook and Harden.

Melo is needy? He takes a team of geriatric players and castaways to the 2nd seed yet he is needy. Uh huh.

If it wasnt for Melo the Knicks might not be in the playoffs or would have gotten owned by Miami in the first round.

Melo isnt perfect but you and some others act like the guy is Michael Beasley.

Durant is still consistent in their absence. He had a historical yr without Harden on the team and he's playing well by the numbers in the post-season without WestBrook. Durant is slightly less clutch and a bit erratic down the stretch these playoffs but his body of work stands. Meanwhile Melo has been playing like Micheal Beasley these playoffs.


So which is it Grunny put the best team he's ever been on around him(an admission from your HERO'S mouth) or Melo needs a far better supporting cast? In one thread fans want to big up Grunny and then in another thread fans want to trash Melo's teammates. Typical Typical Typical....


Like I said those geriatrics got him past the Celtics otherwise he'd be trying to line up a bout with Pacquiao in August....

OKC replaced Harden with Kevin Martin. Obviously a downgrade but still manageable. NYK replaced Amare with who?

Grunwald is making lemonade out of lemons. Amare making 20 million to sit in a suit. Tyson 15 million per to play like TRASH. I dont recall Grunwald signing Amare to a 100 million dollar uninsured contract. I'm just saying.


Melo plays with 6th Man Of The Year J.R.....a player you've slobbered over the yrs for. A Player you stated you would like to see resigned. You know he beat Kevin Mart out for that award....Tyson beat out Ibaka for DPOY last year and made 1st team ALL-NBA Defensive team this yr.


So this boils to you throwing a tantrum over Amar'e and Donnie Walsh(<----The GM responsible for bringing Melo here?)


Go ahead with your next set of excuses....

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