Knixkik wrote:I’d like to see the Knicks grab a center, even if it’s someone really cheap, just as insurance. Someone like Kevon Looney would be very helpful whether there’s a chance Mitch comes back or not.

Diabate or bust!

newyorknewyork wrote:But I feel they have been prepping for Mitch to be back. Go over the 2nd apron for a season. And have the deals agreed to with Towns & Hart that allow the Knicks to go back under the 2nd apron when they resign.

agreed, and we aren't even hearing of Mitch meeting with teams.

I don't even think there's a huge contract out there for him, you can't rely on him to start. He's a 15-20mpg player who ideally shouldn't play B2B's. I think 12-13m is around his value.

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newyorknewyork wrote:But I feel they have been prepping for Mitch to be back. Go over the 2nd apron for a season. And have the deals agreed to with Towns & Hart that allow the Knicks to go back under the 2nd apron when they resign.

agreed, and we aren't even hearing of Mitch meeting with teams.

I don't even think there's a huge contract out there for him, you can't rely on him to start. He's a 15-20mpg player who ideally shouldn't play B2B's. I think 12-13m is around his value.

Begley started to report the Carton theory yesterday. Seems like it’s trending towards this. Lots of Centers getting signed and no noise around Mitch.

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newyorknewyork wrote:But I feel they have been prepping for Mitch to be back. Go over the 2nd apron for a season. And have the deals agreed to with Towns & Hart that allow the Knicks to go back under the 2nd apron when they resign.

agreed, and we aren't even hearing of Mitch meeting with teams.

I don't even think there's a huge contract out there for him, you can't rely on him to start. He's a 15-20mpg player who ideally shouldn't play B2B's. I think 12-13m is around his value.

Word has been that he can command mid level at around $15mil. So what's the dollar amount that works for the Knicks which they can have KAT sign for less that gets us under the 2nd apron which Mitch would agree too?

is LAL his only option?

the nytimes article yesterday projects the 2027-28 2nd apron at 234m. the caveat is 2026-27 will be 2nd apron and we may have to decline dadiet in 27-28 and/or trade Alvarado in 27-28. I assume Kolek is on the team no matter what due to his salary.

if you ask kat and/or hart to discount, we can get under the second apron without making any big trades.

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newyorknewyork wrote:

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nycericanguy wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:But I feel they have been prepping for Mitch to be back. Go over the 2nd apron for a season. And have the deals agreed to with Towns & Hart that allow the Knicks to go back under the 2nd apron when they resign.

agreed, and we aren't even hearing of Mitch meeting with teams.

I don't even think there's a huge contract out there for him, you can't rely on him to start. He's a 15-20mpg player who ideally shouldn't play B2B's. I think 12-13m is around his value.

Begley started to report the Carton theory yesterday. Seems like it’s trending towards this. Lots of Centers getting signed and no noise around Mitch.

I keep thinking if his value is say, 3/36-39m. Can we just give him $30m for 1 year, and then resign him to a team friendly deal like 2/12m following? Gives him 3/42m and helps us with the aprons.

Anyone know if something like this has ever been done and whether its considered cap circumvention?

Not much of a risk for Mitch, he gets $30m upfront.

KAT ext for 4/225m starts at 45m, and Hart can extend for something like 3/50m which would start around 13m. Two contracts like that saves about 20m in 2027.

Not legal under the CBA. Must offer a minimum of 2 years. Also not allowed to fluctuate salaries that extreme. So wouldn't be able to do a 2 year deal where he makes $30mil year 1 and then say $8mil year 2.

We might have been able to do so during his extension window for 1 year $30mil, but not 100% sure if so.

now what i suggested, I suggested 1 year 30m. take care of him and he understands the next year he signs a smaller deal. surprised we cant offer a 1 year deal though, i;ve never heard of such a clause. what if he was like 40...lol. we HAVE to sign him for 2 years?

Thought I answered .

Not legal within the CBA to only offer him a 1 year deal. Knicks must offer him a 2 year deal at min. Which kills the ability to offer him 1 year $30mil.

Now if the Knicks tried to circumvent and finesse by offering a 2 year deal $30mil for year one & $8mil for year 2 etc... That also wouldn't be legal within the CBA.

Granted I got this info from Google AI which isn't always 100% accurate.

newyorknewyork wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:But I feel they have been prepping for Mitch to be back. Go over the 2nd apron for a season. And have the deals agreed to with Towns & Hart that allow the Knicks to go back under the 2nd apron when they resign.

agreed, and we aren't even hearing of Mitch meeting with teams.

I don't even think there's a huge contract out there for him, you can't rely on him to start. He's a 15-20mpg player who ideally shouldn't play B2B's. I think 12-13m is around his value.

Begley started to report the Carton theory yesterday. Seems like it’s trending towards this. Lots of Centers getting signed and no noise around Mitch.

I keep thinking if his value is say, 3/36-39m. Can we just give him $30m for 1 year, and then resign him to a team friendly deal like 2/12m following? Gives him 3/42m and helps us with the aprons.

Anyone know if something like this has ever been done and whether its considered cap circumvention?

Not much of a risk for Mitch, he gets $30m upfront.

KAT ext for 4/225m starts at 45m, and Hart can extend for something like 3/50m which would start around 13m. Two contracts like that saves about 20m in 2027.

Not legal under the CBA. Must offer a minimum of 2 years. Also not allowed to fluctuate salaries that extreme. So wouldn't be able to do a 2 year deal where he makes $30mil year 1 and then say $8mil year 2.

We might have been able to do so during his extension window for 1 year $30mil, but not 100% sure if so.

now what i suggested, I suggested 1 year 30m. take care of him and he understands the next year he signs a smaller deal. surprised we cant offer a 1 year deal though, i;ve never heard of such a clause. what if he was like 40...lol. we HAVE to sign him for 2 years?

Thought I answered .

Not legal within the CBA to only offer him a 1 year deal. Knicks must offer him a 2 year deal at min. Which kills the ability to offer him 1 year $30mil.

Now if the Knicks tried to circumvent and finesse by offering a 2 year deal $30mil for year one & $8mil for year 2 etc... That also wouldn't be legal within the CBA.

Granted I got this info from Google AI which isn't always 100% accurate.

yea i doubt thats accurate, theres no rule that says teams MUST offer at least 2 years, guys sign big 1 year deals all the time. we dont need cap space b/c we have his full bird rights.

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The point is moot, but there are numerous errors in the AI response. It ignores bird rights, for instance.