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martin
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6/11/2025  12:04 AM
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6/11/2025  4:16 AM
JB, player-coach.

“Okay guys… this play’s for me.”

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
ToddTT
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6/11/2025  4:25 AM
What about Ryan Arcidiacono?

All he needs is ChatGPT and to type around 60 words per minute.

And think of all of the tree second calls.

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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6/11/2025  4:27 AM
martin wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:The lack of a plan when they fired Thibs is disturbing. Currently feela like they are bargain basement shopping for a coach. Kind of dulls the aire of invincibility of the front office when they fire Thibs and the only reports we get are of teams turning them down for a conversation. Like Leon Rose is wandering the halls of the high school asking random girls to go to prom. Pretty shoddy planning here.

Their plan was to do an extensive search. I thought that was stated up front?

They are doing it extensively. The searching.

Can confirm. I’m currently ghosting Leon.

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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6/11/2025  6:56 AM
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6/11/2025  8:13 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:The lack of a plan when they fired Thibs is disturbing. Currently feela like they are bargain basement shopping for a coach. Kind of dulls the aire of invincibility of the front office when they fire Thibs and the only reports we get are of teams turning them down for a conversation. Like Leon Rose is wandering the halls of the high school asking random girls to go to prom. Pretty shoddy planning here.

The plan was you don't let a coach and organization sit once decision was made to move on. That was the plan. They were not moving forward with Thibs and it was not a snap decision either apparently. The exit interviews confirmed the direction.

Then the plan was one of Udoka, Fitch, and Kidd if rumors/reports are correct. In what order we don't know.
I doubt this was a spontaneous hissy fit reaction. Thibs did a great job with the roster last year. This year he was tasked by the FO to coach a different type of team with Kat and Mikal and they deemed this is likely the team going forward and he is not the man for the job. WWW has not been a Thibian supporter from rumors and Rosas was not here when hired. He is the GM. Still not sure what WWW really does for knicks.
Who stays on the bench or not remains now up in the air.

One might say the Johnny Bryant thing was a quick media response or we ****ed him over the PHX job. Seems PHX was going with Ott and the quick timing of Thibs being fired was just coincidental. I doubt he turned it down for him to be told he might be our 4th choice.

Why go after another teams coach? Why not? They are all good choices and perhaps Mavs or others given a chance to get out of a contract might have a preferred choice. Fitch took a good team to Conf. finals two years in a row. Imagine we do that without advancing the fan pushback? But fan opinions don't matter as much as we think to a FO unless they are failing on the court and attendance is down. When Fans protested Dolan and he responded with Starphuch Phil Jax hire that was a real thing but the anomaly not the norm.

Its been a week long process. Are you not entertained?

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6/11/2025  8:48 AM
MaTT4281 wrote:

Thibian love will no doubt grow if knicks don't advance.
Glad he produced that piece and sets his own narrative rather then media or parrot fans who just repeat things and make them up as their own takes.

I was surprised but not shocked by his removal. After all we read but mostly the eye test showed a team not as a well oiled machine. They had some moments this season when it came together but not like previous years when they played over their heads. In the age of player empowerment and FO and coaching staffs not count toward the cap its the way things are done. Kat and Mikal are not KD or Lebron but they pulled the same ****. We empowered the Brunsons by having Rick as associate head coach. Not saying it was a bad thing or a power grab. We enabled it for the betterment of the talent. After that if rumors are true it did not translate to this years team. If Leborn or KD had their pops on the bench their haters would go nuts. We fans love our Brunsons but objectively FO might have to rethink it. Im not saying JB is any where like KD or Lebron but what if Jalen/Rick are not happy with Thibs removal while others are? What if they take all this a bit too personal rather than it being a basketball issue?

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6/11/2025  8:51 AM
MaTT4281 wrote:

Bravo for him.

Us needing a new voice doesn't take anything away from his accomplishments nor from his knowledge and competence as a coach. I really hope he finds another team to resuscitate as he helped us do. And if we ever win it all in the upcoming years, he should never be forgotten as someone responsible to help us get to that level.

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6/11/2025  9:24 AM
Kidd out!

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6/11/2025  9:32 AM
martin wrote:Kidd out!

Optics of Knicks asking for 3 coaches that are currently employed and being rejected on all 3 accounts look bad, as it makes it seem as if there is no plan. However, think the Knicks probably identified top 3-5 guys from each channel (current head coaches, assistants, college and those not currently employed) and probably are gonna run an exhaustive search. That the coaches who already have jobs are unavailable is not necessarily something that should be a surprise or something we should have a strong reaction too as the Knicks likely expected that as well.

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6/11/2025  9:42 AM
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martin wrote:Kidd out!

Optics of Knicks asking for 3 coaches that are currently employed and being rejected on all 3 accounts look bad, as it makes it seem as if there is no plan. However, think the Knicks probably identified top 3-5 guys from each channel (current head coaches, assistants, college and those not currently employed) and probably are gonna run an exhaustive search. That the coaches who already have jobs are unavailable is not necessarily something that should be a surprise or something we should have a strong reaction too as the Knicks likely expected that as well.

Logical and that was the plan. There are no current openings for head coach. Just knicks. So they are not in competition.

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6/11/2025  9:45 AM
martin wrote:Kidd out!

Mavs were probably asking for our 2026 1st and this year’s 2nd. No thanks. Would rather hire Malone and keep the picks.

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6/11/2025  9:53 AM
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martin wrote:Kidd out!

Optics of Knicks asking for 3 coaches that are currently employed and being rejected on all 3 accounts look bad, as it makes it seem as if there is no plan. However, think the Knicks probably identified top 3-5 guys from each channel (current head coaches, assistants, college and those not currently employed) and probably are gonna run an exhaustive search. That the coaches who already have jobs are unavailable is not necessarily something that should be a surprise or something we should have a strong reaction too as the Knicks likely expected that as well.

Seems like Leon and team have a way of doing things, from coaching searches to even player trade talks. They talk to everyone about everything and everyone to get a good landscape of things.

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6/11/2025  9:53 AM
The Popper is popping off with thoughts

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6/11/2025  10:17 AM
martin wrote:The Popper is popping off with thoughts

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6/11/2025  10:37 AM
martin wrote:
martin wrote:The Popper is popping off with thoughts

These guys are getting their news from BKE in this instance - it was that account that said Knicks pursuit will continue despite initial denial.

- could Knicks have thrown flyers out to Ima and Finch first as a way to cover themselves in terms of tampering with Kidd?
- what do Mavs do if Kidd either discreetly or not so discreetly informs them he wants to coach in NY?
- does an organization want someone leading their organization who really wants to be elsewhere and how would Kidd act day to day?
- I have to assume (based on how this front office has acted for years now) that they already know what Kidd wants (NY).

Now -- is it possible they got bad info from Kidd - possibly but these are high level chess players in Leon/WWW - I would assume they would sniff something like that out if Kidd were bluffing with them for whatever reason (maybe more $ from Dallas).

Me personally if Kidd I'm not 100% certain Knick job is better vs starting fresh with Flag and some solid vets. Big issue for Kidd is how long before Niko is canned and new GM maybe doesn't want Kidd around any longer.

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6/11/2025  10:39 AM
martin wrote:Kidd out!

Don't believe that yet.....MAYBE TRUE....but I tend to think if Knicks/Kidd both want NY - he still ends up in NY.

May cost Wiz pick which will be a 2nd or 2 2nds but we shall see.

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6/11/2025  11:07 AM
LivingLegend wrote:
martin wrote:
martin wrote:The Popper is popping off with thoughts

These guys are getting their news from BKE in this instance - it was that account that said Knicks pursuit will continue despite initial denial.

- could Knicks have thrown flyers out to Ima and Finch first as a way to cover themselves in terms of tampering with Kidd?
- what do Mavs do if Kidd either discreetly or not so discreetly informs them he wants to coach in NY?
- does an organization want someone leading their organization who really wants to be elsewhere and how would Kidd act day to day?
- I have to assume (based on how this front office has acted for years now) that they already know what Kidd wants (NY).

Now -- is it possible they got bad info from Kidd - possibly but these are high level chess players in Leon/WWW - I would assume they would sniff something like that out if Kidd were bluffing with them for whatever reason (maybe more $ from Dallas).

Me personally if Kidd I'm not 100% certain Knick job is better vs starting fresh with Flag and some solid vets. Big issue for Kidd is how long before Niko is canned and new GM maybe doesn't want Kidd around any longer.

Highly doubtful. They are professionals and use their own sources.

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6/11/2025  11:17 AM
Unfair or not but Leon looks really bad right now. Fired Thibs and the plan was Kidd, Udoka and Finch and he's 0/3.
OMG! Thibs fired!

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