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wargames
Posts: 22833 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/27/2015 Member: #6053 |
6/8/2022 2:03 PM
Knixkik wrote:Philc1 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I agree. He’s definitely a interesting prospect. Very good at getting his shot off quickly and in motion. He can put the ball on the floor too. The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
6/9/2022 12:07 AM
wargames wrote:Knixkik wrote:Philc1 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: real good looking player. Hes long too at 6-8. one of those guys who if he stayed in scholl my be a lottery pick next year. RIP Crushalot😞
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KnickDanger
Posts: 24375 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/30/2017 Member: #7578 |
6/9/2022 9:40 AM
Two weeks, fellas! I think I’ve narrowed it down to about a dozen guys who might be our pick. Probably will be someone else.
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SergioNYK
Posts: 22542 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/8/2002 Member: #333 USA |
6/9/2022 11:01 AM
KnickDanger wrote:Two weeks, fellas! I think I’ve narrowed it down to about a dozen guys who might be our pick. Probably will be someone else. As much as I want Mathurin or Davis, I think there is a good chance both will be gone. I think its more likely we'll be choosing between the two Cs Williams and Duran and the the wings Sochan, Branham, Agbaji and Eason. |
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rpknicks
Posts: 20078 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/3/2015 Member: #6003 |
6/9/2022 12:15 PM
SergioNYK wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Two weeks, fellas! I think I’ve narrowed it down to about a dozen guys who might be our pick. Probably will be someone else. Don't sleep on Jalen Williams as a dark horse candidate. He's not frequently mocked up in our range but good chance he is there. Forget about the logjam, that guy is a skilled playmaker and scorer. I think we have more shooting, D, rebounding than most teams but we sorely lack guys who don't pick up their dribble and know how to create a shot and get others the rock on the move. |
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martin
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6/9/2022 12:57 PM
SergioNYK wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Two weeks, fellas! I think I’ve narrowed it down to about a dozen guys who might be our pick. Probably will be someone else. I'm down to a trade up or trade down scenario. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
6/9/2022 1:13 PM
rpknicks wrote:SergioNYK wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Two weeks, fellas! I think I’ve narrowed it down to about a dozen guys who might be our pick. Probably will be someone else. Good post and pick. He does have almost everything we’re looking for. I also agree who cares about mock position. Take the best player for your team.he can easily play the 1 and wouod be super alongside iq where both guys can play lead guard. The guy is the only 50-40-80 player in the draft has a taradactyl like frame which would fit in well with what we want to do in defense. Excellent ball control for 6-6 good passer very decent rebounder. Not explosive but maybe like a rondo doesn’t need to be. He came on late in draft process so sometimes hard to get to lottery but in all fairness for the NY Knicks. He might be the best choice IF the draft goes to the way it’s shaped out. I don’t mind taking a guy at 11 who is nicked deeper. It’s using your draft leverage. Great great pick RIP Crushalot😞
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smackeddog
Posts: 38389 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
6/9/2022 4:17 PM
I just can’t get excited at any of the options we’ll have available at 11 this year. Even the higher up prospects don’t thrill me this year
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39757 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
6/9/2022 4:23 PM
smackeddog wrote:I just can’t get excited at any of the options we’ll have available at 11 this year. Even the higher up prospects don’t thrill me this year Why don't the top tier guys excite you? Is it because the Knicks have snowballs chance in hell of getting one of them? Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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martin
Posts: 76020 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
6/9/2022 6:05 PM
Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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wargames
Posts: 22833 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/27/2015 Member: #6053 |
6/9/2022 6:23 PM LAST EDITED: 6/9/2022 6:23 PM
martin wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: My money is it being TyTy, Agbaji, Malachi and Sochan. TyTy being the likeliest odd man out. The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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smackeddog
Posts: 38389 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/30/2005 Member: #883 |
6/10/2022 4:09 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:smackeddog wrote:I just can’t get excited at any of the options we’ll have available at 11 this year. Even the higher up prospects don’t thrill me this year Just none of them jump out at me. Usually each year there are a few players I wish we could get, but this year there aren’t- just don’t find any of them exciting to watch, and none seem to be a certain thing. Maybe we were just spoilt by last years draft! |
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Uptown
Posts: 31285 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
6/10/2022 5:34 PM LAST EDITED: 6/10/2022 5:46 PM
BRIGGS wrote:rpknicks wrote:SergioNYK wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Two weeks, fellas! I think I’ve narrowed it down to about a dozen guys who might be our pick. Probably will be someone else. Just started watching film on Williams and he really pops on the screen. Can score at all three levels, understands spacing and how to get to his scoring spots, good handle, has good vision and plays at his pace. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up for in strength. Put a guard on his and he will muscle his way to the basket. He is a really good prospect and I would strongly consider him at 11. Worry about him defensively, though, as he doesn't have great lateral quickness but he is a really good prospect |
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Marv
Posts: 35540 Alba Posts: 69 Joined: 9/2/2002 Member: #315 |
6/12/2022 7:56 AM
Prospect Overview
Exceptionally long wing who took a major leap as a jump shooter and shot creator in his third year at Santa Clara and showed his work at the NBA Draft Combine. About Jalen Williams Jalen Williams is a long, smooth small forward who turned a corner in his development as a junior at Santa Clara. A lightly regarded prospect following his senior year at Perry High School (AZ), the Gilbert, Arizona native averaged 7.4 points and 1.8 assists per game as a true freshman carving out a role in the Broncos’ starting lineup in West Coast Conference play. Making strides as a sophomore, Williams really turned the corner as a junior under Head Coach Herb Sendak averaging 18 points, 4.4 rebounds, 4.2 assists over 34.8 minutes per game to earn All-WCC first team honors. • Measured standing 6’5.75 in shoes with a solid 209-pound frame and a remarkable 7’2.25 wingspan at the 2022 NBA Draft Combine, Williams is one of the longest players in recent history relative to his height. Posting impressive athletic testing numbers but doing much of his scoring being fluid with the ball, the 21-year-old is a somewhat unique physical specimen. • Leading the Broncos in scoring on strong efficiency numbers, Williams created his own shot at a high level out of ball screens playing with good pace, toying with defenders, and scoring from all three levels. Using his length to score scoops and floaters inside, creating separation with hesitation moves or subtle changes of speed in the midrange, and even finding the open man effectively in spots, his ability to create off the dribble was a cornerstone of Santa Clara’s offense. Showing good instincts while hunting shots off the ball, he proved to be one of the more well-rounded, consistent offensive players on the west coast as a junior. • Showing a sense of urgency and using his length while contesting shots, Williams was solid on the defensive end at the collegiate level but was more active on the glass and in the passing lanes some nights than others. Advanced Stats • Sometimes bringing the ball up the floor and sometimes getting it on the second side, Williams played a significant role for Santa Clara leading the team in points and assists. Doing much of his damage out of ball screens, his deceptiveness with the ball and ability to score from anywhere on the floor allowed him to put significant pressure on opposing defenses. While he settled for some tough shots in the midrange, he finished at a strong rate, had no trouble creating separation, showed the ability to punish unders from beyond the arc, and scored in bunches when he ran hot from the field. • With over half of his shots in the half court coming around the rim, Williams scored an impressive 1.25 points per shot around the rim in the half court [73rd percentile] and 1.02 points per floater [86th percentile]. While his vertical jump numbers earned him some buzz at the combine, his efficiency is rooted in his ability to methodically work his way past defenders before using his length and touch to score in close. • Playing at a somewhat unique pace, using hesitation moves exceptionally well to probe the lane and freeze the defense to create angles, Williams was fairly prolific in the midrange. Averaging 0.79 points per pull-up jump shot [53rd percentile] he often used the threat of his jumper to help himself get downhill. • Despite playing primarily on the ball, Williams scored 1.41 points per catch and shoot jump shot in the half court [97th percentile] showing terrific natural touch from beyond the arc as a spot up shooter. Cutting off the ball effectively as well, he proved to be more opportunistic than most high-volume pick and roll threats. • Showing solid vision, Williams leveraged the defensive attention he commanded this season as a passer finding cutters with impressive consistency. While he did much of his heavy lifting scoring the ball, his improvement as a passer and off ball threat gives him promising versatility. Defensive Analysis • Possessing rare length, Williams had some positive moments contesting shots and staying active defensively, while opposing offenses looked to run him ragged in the pick and roll. Guarding as many ball screens as almost any player in the country, he had some solid moments blowing up perimeter actions with his length, but was not immune to lapses and gave up quickness in some matchups. • Coming up with more rebounds and steals some nights than others, Williams has room to be a more consistent factor off the ball as he showed good instincts in spurts. — Profile by Synergy Sports |
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BingBong
Posts: 20074 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 6/10/2022 Member: #9036 |
6/12/2022 10:05 AM
Hi...I'm new here so take it easy on me. I'm a die-hard, long-suffering Knicks' fan. With that said, I'll share my view on the upcoming draft.
First and foremost, we need a world class PG that seems as elusive as getting a crystal clear picture of Sasquatch. We never seem to get high enough in the draft order to grab a great PG and to trade for one means gutting the team and the future to finally solve one problem, albeit, it's a big one...and in turn, end up with more problems in other areas. Apart from the PG position, we are pretty strong with youngsters who look like the real deal. Secondly, it almost seems a given that Robinson will be gone. He obviously is looking for a huge payday and some team will give it to him, but probably not the Knicks. Hence, we're going to need a big guy to replace him. The draft: Ivey and Daniels are good, but neither are pure point guards and more off guards that are wickedly good. Grimes is a really solid shooting guard and Quick is a great off guard and can play the point, but neither is a pure PT. McBride might become one in a year but still needs NBA seasoning and Thibs doesn't seem to like playing rookies in important positions unless they are top 5 lottery picks. So instead of a lost season by turning the ball over to rookies, we fill in the blanks with old expensive vets so we can be a middling team that picks late in the lottery instead of up front. Anyhow...the draft. As I see it, at number 11 overall we are not getting a world class pure point guard at that spot. Personally, I hope we go with center Mark Williams to replace Robinson who is almost certainly gone. Williams is the tallest (7'2), has the widest wing span, and the most experienced of the big 4 on the board (Holmgren, Duren, and Kessler). His game is similar to Robinson's and there wouldn't be much difference in the paint. He's also going to get heavier and stronger as his body fills out. He will be a solid NBA big man.
He's also has the highest shooting percentage and can make free throws This draft is filled with quality forwards and off guards, but light on big men and of course, pure point guards. So if we stick at no. 11, I hope we go for a big man. We have high end NBA forwards as it is and don't need more to compete with RJ, JR, Obi, Cam, etc. I have an idea for point guard which I will present on another post. So for me, if I was to pick at number 11, I'd take Mark Williams. If we end up keeping Robinson somehow (which I doubt, but is possible), the Robinson/Williams tandem would be the best in the NBA...IMHO |
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BingBong
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6/12/2022 10:27 AM LAST EDITED: 6/12/2022 11:04 AM
Point guard situation: dire need of a floor general who makes everyone else better around him. A ball handler and shooter like Trae Young, but can pass it around like Chris Paul or John Stockton of old. Good luck, right???
An under the radar player who has really caught my attention and will be in this draft is Hugo Besson (pronounced Bay' sohn (like garçon in French). A French player who plays for New Zealand. He has been flying under the radar, but I imagine pro team scouts know all about him. What I like: He's a very fast, twitchy, ball-handling wizard, high-energy player who plays like his hair is on fire and always pedal to the metal. He makes incredible passes and shoots the friggin lights out. He's also ambidextrous, has a good spin move, great at pick and roll, and has great court vision picking out the open guy. Some mocks have him a late first, early second round pick and in one case, a mid first rounder. Personally I believe he might be available at our no. 42 pick, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Here's some film on him. The first one showing his some of his passing abilities (BTW, he's no. 25) edit: sorry, wrong clip..I can't find the right one now. Here's a couple showing his shooting prowess and overall game management If I was to criticize his game, it would be that he's a bit of a gunner, trying to shoulder too much responsibility to score which causes him to take shots that are very hard to make. But as my old coach used to say, "it's easier to tame a wild fire than to raise the dead". I think Besson can be a legitimate playmaker in the NBA and become a very good one |
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Nalod
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6/12/2022 11:31 AM
Could he be the Frech Prospect we finally can draft and develop? Fornier has played well for us 2nd half helping to dispel the notion that french dudes can’t ball in NYC! Fred Weis syndrome still exists for fans!
 Rony Turiaf aside of course. We have to draft one to break the curse! |
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BingBong
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6/12/2022 12:30 PM
Nalod wrote:Could he be the Frech Prospect we finally can draft and develop? Fornier has played well for us 2nd half helping to dispel the notion that french dudes can’t ball in NYC! Fred Weis syndrome still exists for fans! LOL - we haven't fared all that well with international players, that's for sure If we picked him up, I'd say we should hand the reigns over to Quick and McBride at the point while gently working Besson into games. In a year or two, with NBA seasoning, he could be a star...or a bust and we continue to look for that elusive stellar PG without selling the farm or without hiring a good one who's past his age for balling. Very frustrating situation As far as Ty Ty goes, I see him as playing backup to McBride - similar players...not elite |
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Nalod
Posts: 71085 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
6/12/2022 3:04 PM
BingBong wrote:Nalod wrote:Could he be the Frech Prospect we finally can draft and develop? Fornier has played well for us 2nd half helping to dispel the notion that french dudes can’t ball in NYC! Fred Weis syndrome still exists for fans! I like McBride and understanding his story gives the reality a bit more clarity. He really just shined in one college season and perhaps has shown better than expected. Some fans want to think we are holding him back. I am under the belief that we keep bringing on talent thru draft and over time we’ll create opportunity or “Luck”. The future we cannot see. How do I know? I don’t. It starts with keeping picks. But it means we let go too. Maybe deuce does not pan out. Same for Cam. But you keep trying. Thats how Miami does it. We don’t understand the guys they let go. But we see who sticks and think thats the path. IT is. We succeeded last year. but we did not continue. We know the rest. |