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12/11/2015  1:50 AM
So other than our star player looking like he's playing on a bum knee, our head coach in over his head, our prize free agent center looking lost, our starting PG looking done, and our young guys looking nervous as hell, I'd say things are going pretty well for us.
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12/11/2015  1:52 AM
crzymdups wrote:So other than our star player looking like he's playing on a bum knee, our head coach in over his head, our prize free agent center looking lost, our starting PG looking done, and our young guys looking nervous as hell, I'd say things are going pretty well for us.

so basically, our super GM has pretty much had every move be a bad one besides from pot lucking on KP?

Trying to figure out what moves that he made other than the brilliant THJ trade were good ones?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/11/2015  1:55 AM
Knicks have pgs that are better at shooting guard, shooting guards who can't shoot, defenders who can't defend, a scorer who can't score, and a coach who can't coach.
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12/11/2015  1:56 AM
crzymdups wrote:So other than our star player looking like he's playing on a bum knee, our head coach in over his head, our prize free agent center looking lost, our starting PG looking done, and our young guys looking nervous as hell, I'd say things are going pretty well for us.

Starting PG is most important.

Try to cut the problem in half by getting a tall, quick, d-minded replacement.

Lakers won with Fisher at PG -- and he was no all-star.
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12/11/2015  1:56 AM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Malcolm wrote:If I were Fisher . . . I wouldn't run another end of game play for Carmelo for the rest of the season.

It reinforces too many habits that Knicks want to get away from.

If we had a GOOD breakdown PG who was dependable you could let him create and open things up for MELO or someone else. This is the missing link. Jerian isn't ready but we can't rely on Jose to break down a D.

of course that is a big problem but there are many problems.

Love that they are getting further and further away from the triangle. The less they run it the better they look.

They didn't go away from the Triangle! You really don't know what you're looking at. It's clear to me that you don't understand the Triangle. Just cuz they pushed the ball and got some easier buckets doesn't mean they weren't running the Triangle.

they ran pNr almost exclusively.

So now you will say that PnR is the damn triangle.

Everything is the triangle?

The Melo/KP pick and roll at the top of the key was an actual good adjustment by Fisher. And definitely not the Triangle.

you don't know what you were watching!! that was the modified PnR triangle! Its all triangles!

Make jokes but you are only proving your ignorance on this subject! If you want to go into a debate on the Triangle lets make a thread were you can break it all down for us.

you win ... don't give a sh1t about the triangle.

what I can tell you is that I was to see PnR exclusively. Anything else is stupid at this point and aint working.

Yes lets play triangle fuk-play and see what rolo can create? Please .... no more! Modern offense / Pnr pnr pnr pnr pnr

There's no reason not to have more PnR, Drag Screens, Down Screens etc. I agree with you on that but it's not the fault of the Triangle Offense that they aren't doing it more. It's all part of the offense already!!!

so who is calling for all those other effin stupid plays? Is rolo calling these plays?

please please don't tell me that you blame the players for this ... its a non starter.

Most of the time you aren't calling Plays per se. The players are on the floor deciding what they will focus on. The coach will make adjustments as we saw later in the game but much of what the players decide to do is on them.

For example if Jose doesn't call for a big to come out for a PnR he won't come! If MELO waves a big off when he comes to set a screen so he can go ISO... These things are not on the coach. He will allow a certain amount of freedom since that is the point. Fish did get the team focused on the right things later in the game but bad habits are hard to break.

Fish has been trying to get these players to push the ball all season. They finally started doing it but they still messed up a ton of good scoring opps. Bad passes. Missed layup a and FT's. How many did MELO miss? I think he was 8-21.
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12/11/2015  1:57 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:Knicks have pgs that are better at shooting guard, shooting guards who can't shoot, defenders who can't defend, a scorer who can't score, and a coach who can't coach.

a rookie gm who can't really gm

a system that has died a while ago

an owner with a small penis

and a bunch of fans who hate sam hinkie and james harden with a passion

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/11/2015  1:57 AM
Malcolm wrote:
crzymdups wrote:So other than our star player looking like he's playing on a bum knee, our head coach in over his head, our prize free agent center looking lost, our starting PG looking done, and our young guys looking nervous as hell, I'd say things are going pretty well for us.

Starting PG is most important.

Try to cut the problem in half by getting a tall, quick, d-minded replacement.

Lakers won with Fisher at PG -- and he was no all-star.

lakers won with kobe at the SG. Fisher was not that good of a player.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/11/2015  1:58 AM
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:So other than our star player looking like he's playing on a bum knee, our head coach in over his head, our prize free agent center looking lost, our starting PG looking done, and our young guys looking nervous as hell, I'd say things are going pretty well for us.

so basically, our super GM has pretty much had every move be a bad one besides from pot lucking on KP?

Trying to figure out what moves that he made other than the brilliant THJ trade were good ones?


Afflalo is okay. Williams is okay.
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12/11/2015  1:59 AM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Malcolm wrote:If I were Fisher . . . I wouldn't run another end of game play for Carmelo for the rest of the season.

It reinforces too many habits that Knicks want to get away from.

If we had a GOOD breakdown PG who was dependable you could let him create and open things up for MELO or someone else. This is the missing link. Jerian isn't ready but we can't rely on Jose to break down a D.

of course that is a big problem but there are many problems.

Love that they are getting further and further away from the triangle. The less they run it the better they look.

They didn't go away from the Triangle! You really don't know what you're looking at. It's clear to me that you don't understand the Triangle. Just cuz they pushed the ball and got some easier buckets doesn't mean they weren't running the Triangle.

they ran pNr almost exclusively.

So now you will say that PnR is the damn triangle.

Everything is the triangle?

The Melo/KP pick and roll at the top of the key was an actual good adjustment by Fisher. And definitely not the Triangle.

you don't know what you were watching!! that was the modified PnR triangle! Its all triangles!

Make jokes but you are only proving your ignorance on this subject! If you want to go into a debate on the Triangle lets make a thread were you can break it all down for us.

you win ... don't give a sh1t about the triangle.

what I can tell you is that I was to see PnR exclusively. Anything else is stupid at this point and aint working.

Yes lets play triangle fuk-play and see what rolo can create? Please .... no more! Modern offense / Pnr pnr pnr pnr pnr

There's no reason not to have more PnR, Drag Screens, Down Screens etc. I agree with you on that but it's not the fault of the Triangle Offense that they aren't doing it more. It's all part of the offense already!!!

so who is calling for all those other effin stupid plays? Is rolo calling these plays?

please please don't tell me that you blame the players for this ... its a non starter.

Most of the time you aren't calling Plays per se. The players are on the floor deciding what they will focus on. The coach will make adjustments as we saw later in the game but much of what the players decide to do is on them.

For example if Jose doesn't call for a big to come out for a PnR he won't come! If MELO waves a big off when he comes to set a screen so he can go ISO... These things are not on the coach. He will allow a certain amount of freedom since that is the point. Fish did get the team focused on the right things later in the game but bad habits are hard to break.

Fish has been trying to get these players to push the ball all season. They finally started doing it but they still messed up a ton of good scoring opps. Bad passes. Missed layup a and FT's. How many did MELO miss? I think he was 8-21.

and posts like this hurt your credibility in this argument.

ITS ON THE FREAKIN COACH WHEN ROLO IS SET UP IN THE POST. IF FISHER DID NOT WANT IT TO HAPPEN, IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/11/2015  1:59 AM
Malcolm wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:So other than our star player looking like he's playing on a bum knee, our head coach in over his head, our prize free agent center looking lost, our starting PG looking done, and our young guys looking nervous as hell, I'd say things are going pretty well for us.

so basically, our super GM has pretty much had every move be a bad one besides from pot lucking on KP?

Trying to figure out what moves that he made other than the brilliant THJ trade were good ones?


Afflalo is okay. Williams is okay.

williams sucks

afflalo is just ok

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/11/2015  2:05 AM
O'Quinn looked pretty good tonight. He should be starting but I doubt it happens because of their commitment to Lopez.

How can we rid ourselves of Jose, Lopez and Melo?
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12/11/2015  2:14 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:

who cares. so now your happy?

And if you watch the hand that rondo grabbed, it was in the midst of pushing off.

Your a smart guy, are you not sick of these hero ball moments that are at this point tank worthy?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/11/2015  2:20 AM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Malcolm wrote:If I were Fisher . . . I wouldn't run another end of game play for Carmelo for the rest of the season.

It reinforces too many habits that Knicks want to get away from.

If we had a GOOD breakdown PG who was dependable you could let him create and open things up for MELO or someone else. This is the missing link. Jerian isn't ready but we can't rely on Jose to break down a D.

of course that is a big problem but there are many problems.

Love that they are getting further and further away from the triangle. The less they run it the better they look.

They didn't go away from the Triangle! You really don't know what you're looking at. It's clear to me that you don't understand the Triangle. Just cuz they pushed the ball and got some easier buckets doesn't mean they weren't running the Triangle.

they ran pNr almost exclusively.

So now you will say that PnR is the damn triangle.

Everything is the triangle?

The Melo/KP pick and roll at the top of the key was an actual good adjustment by Fisher. And definitely not the Triangle.

you don't know what you were watching!! that was the modified PnR triangle! Its all triangles!

Make jokes but you are only proving your ignorance on this subject! If you want to go into a debate on the Triangle lets make a thread were you can break it all down for us.

you win ... don't give a sh1t about the triangle.

what I can tell you is that I was to see PnR exclusively. Anything else is stupid at this point and aint working.

Yes lets play triangle fuk-play and see what rolo can create? Please .... no more! Modern offense / Pnr pnr pnr pnr pnr

There's no reason not to have more PnR, Drag Screens, Down Screens etc. I agree with you on that but it's not the fault of the Triangle Offense that they aren't doing it more. It's all part of the offense already!!!

so who is calling for all those other effin stupid plays? Is rolo calling these plays?

please please don't tell me that you blame the players for this ... its a non starter.

Most of the time you aren't calling Plays per se. The players are on the floor deciding what they will focus on. The coach will make adjustments as we saw later in the game but much of what the players decide to do is on them.

For example if Jose doesn't call for a big to come out for a PnR he won't come! If MELO waves a big off when he comes to set a screen so he can go ISO... These things are not on the coach. He will allow a certain amount of freedom since that is the point. Fish did get the team focused on the right things later in the game but bad habits are hard to break.

Fish has been trying to get these players to push the ball all season. They finally started doing it but they still messed up a ton of good scoring opps. Bad passes. Missed layup a and FT's. How many did MELO miss? I think he was 8-21.

and posts like this hurt your credibility in this argument.

ITS ON THE FREAKIN COACH WHEN ROLO IS SET UP IN THE POST. IF FISHER DID NOT WANT IT TO HAPPEN, IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!


You don't realize that I give Fish plenty of blame all the time just read my posts and you can see I'm suggesting things he needs to do. It's not all on him tho. The decisions players make are HUGE!

Why are you focusing on RoLo? RoLo doesn't even finish games? That's a symptom of other problems with poor execution and decision making. It's part of the offense to feed the post but it's a player decision to decide to run a Drag Screen instead.

It's a player decision to run hard or loaf up the court or make hard cuts etc. Fish is not looking for them to play predictably and only give the ball to RoLo in the post. Why do you think that is what he wants every time down? I guarantee that Fish isn't teaching them to play stupid ball.
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12/11/2015  2:25 AM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Malcolm wrote:If I were Fisher . . . I wouldn't run another end of game play for Carmelo for the rest of the season.

It reinforces too many habits that Knicks want to get away from.

If we had a GOOD breakdown PG who was dependable you could let him create and open things up for MELO or someone else. This is the missing link. Jerian isn't ready but we can't rely on Jose to break down a D.

of course that is a big problem but there are many problems.

Love that they are getting further and further away from the triangle. The less they run it the better they look.

They didn't go away from the Triangle! You really don't know what you're looking at. It's clear to me that you don't understand the Triangle. Just cuz they pushed the ball and got some easier buckets doesn't mean they weren't running the Triangle.

they ran pNr almost exclusively.

So now you will say that PnR is the damn triangle.

Everything is the triangle?

The Melo/KP pick and roll at the top of the key was an actual good adjustment by Fisher. And definitely not the Triangle.

you don't know what you were watching!! that was the modified PnR triangle! Its all triangles!

Make jokes but you are only proving your ignorance on this subject! If you want to go into a debate on the Triangle lets make a thread were you can break it all down for us.

you win ... don't give a sh1t about the triangle.

what I can tell you is that I was to see PnR exclusively. Anything else is stupid at this point and aint working.

Yes lets play triangle fuk-play and see what rolo can create? Please .... no more! Modern offense / Pnr pnr pnr pnr pnr

There's no reason not to have more PnR, Drag Screens, Down Screens etc. I agree with you on that but it's not the fault of the Triangle Offense that they aren't doing it more. It's all part of the offense already!!!

so who is calling for all those other effin stupid plays? Is rolo calling these plays?

please please don't tell me that you blame the players for this ... its a non starter.

Most of the time you aren't calling Plays per se. The players are on the floor deciding what they will focus on. The coach will make adjustments as we saw later in the game but much of what the players decide to do is on them.

For example if Jose doesn't call for a big to come out for a PnR he won't come! If MELO waves a big off when he comes to set a screen so he can go ISO... These things are not on the coach. He will allow a certain amount of freedom since that is the point. Fish did get the team focused on the right things later in the game but bad habits are hard to break.

Fish has been trying to get these players to push the ball all season. They finally started doing it but they still messed up a ton of good scoring opps. Bad passes. Missed layup a and FT's. How many did MELO miss? I think he was 8-21.

and posts like this hurt your credibility in this argument.

ITS ON THE FREAKIN COACH WHEN ROLO IS SET UP IN THE POST. IF FISHER DID NOT WANT IT TO HAPPEN, IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!


You don't realize that I give Fish plenty of blame all the time just read my posts and you can see I'm suggesting things he needs to do. It's not all on him tho. The decisions players make are HUGE!

Why are you focusing on RoLo? RoLo doesn't even finish games? That's a symptom of other problems with poor execution and decision making. It's part of the offense to feed the post but it's a player decision to decide to run a Drag Screen instead.

It's a player decision to run hard or loaf up the court or make hard cuts etc. Fish is not looking for them to play predictably and only give the ball to RoLo in the post. Why do you think that is what he wants every time down? I guarantee that Fish isn't teaching them to play stupid ball.

Fisher is calling for Rolo in the post.

You know what nice about PnR? Its basketball for idiots and it works!

The triangle seems to be so damn hard for them to pick up. Is it worth it? Its not worth it. Not the way the game is played today.

Nix, it would be ok to just let the triangle die. It does not mean you were wrong, its just a failure. and in todays game, you don't have that much of a window to teach it.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/11/2015  3:10 AM
I was on the court for the game (behind the knicks bench):

Dirk said it best - the knicks best line up is with KP at the 5, Melo at 4, lance at 3, afflalo at 2 and LG (shudder) at 1.
our problem is based on me watching from the court tonight:
KP is too tall and too thin/lanky. Cousins abused him and bullied him. There is Shawn Bradley in KP
knicks best offense is still ISO MELO - VERY SAD, BUT TRUE
no post game (ROLO is LOST on offense when he gets the ball)
Afflalo is just old - his best days are behind him. He doesn't have young legs and doesn't get lift on his jumper and that is the reason / one of the reasons we lost tonight
LG can't hit a jump shot
Calderon can't defend.
We don't get foul calls
We don't get steals
basically we have no defenders and no offensive players (other than melo), and no athletic players. also the players are not engaged (Fisher's fault). There was no real "coaching" in the game. Standing on the sidelines is not coaching.
we are screwed.
PS - MELO does get hacked and does not get calls. The refs are against the knicks, which is sad, but true. Pulling, tugging, etc on the knicks and no calls.

There was no triangle being run.
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12/11/2015  3:12 AM
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:

who cares. so now your happy?

And if you watch the hand that rondo grabbed, it was in the midst of pushing off.

Your a smart guy, are you not sick of these hero ball moments that are at this point tank worthy?


Context is everything. I think you have to view the play as fans of a team with a "star" who does get the calls that we see others getting.

Do you think that Wade wouldn't get the call?

Lebron probably would have passed in to KP or Aflalo before the foul, but he would have gotten the call, too, if he had done what Anthony did.

And Harden, he would have gotten the call in anticipation of his hand being pulled.


I'm not saying that he shouldn't have passed off to someone with a better look- just that we don't seem to get this type of call.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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12/11/2015  3:16 AM
TPercy wrote:Does anyone else notice that KP sets half ass screens?

yes. it's because he's doing an imitation of mike d'antoni's pop and roll instead of pick and roll.

and melo was HACKED to death on the last play.

melo was also hacked on another play that he scored on (3 pointer I think) that should have been an AND1.

sorry, sitting in court seats, I saw, Melo just get hacked.

And OMRI CASPI even punked a knick in retaliation
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12/11/2015  3:17 AM
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Malcolm wrote:
TPercy wrote:Nevermind. That was Melos fault aswell. KP was wide open under the basket

Tough pass to make in time allowed . . .

I disagree. That is a simple lob pass

sorry - KP missed a bunch of simple buckets around the hoop tonight. If I were melo, I would have also taken the shot. He was fouled. melo was the only one on offense tonight.
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skoonix wrote:Sadly, with the way Melo suddenly sucks at the FT line, if they did call
the foul... who knows what would have happened? Ferocious comeback but typical,
not enough to win. They really seem to be playing tight & with no confidence.
They pass when they are open. I agree if Melo's knee is bothering him, rest him.
One of the strong runs we had to bring the game back within reach was with Melo on the bench.

no one had legs and the bench sucks. d williams is awful. Koq was doing nicely. A lot of knicks shots for the night rimmed in and out. no dunks by the knicks really. the knicks need dunkers. and better 4 men back ups. Jason Thompson would be awesome if the knicks could get him.
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