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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
![]() newyorknewyork wrote:I recently stumbled upon NBA.com Shotcharts. I then decided to compare Carmelo, Lebron, and Durant. Good find. Melo is very good at getting to the basket but surprisingly poor at finishing. |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
![]() yellowboy90 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:I recently stumbled upon NBA.com Shotcharts. I then decided to compare Carmelo, Lebron, and Durant. Great find Newyorknewyork!!! I was searching for something like this. To try and make a point about how Bargnani can help the Knicks just look at the mid range shots AB takes in the area where he often runs his PnP> http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=200745 AB is killing it from the left and right elbow and FT line area. That's the PnP range that we've been talking about and there were those who said he wasn't going to be able to help but when you look at how strong he is from there you can see how that strength in his game can help. He was 50% from the left elbow, 57% from the right elbow and 47% in the FT area. This is the area where he most often takes his PnP mid range shots. Look at the Mid range shots AB takes and makes in this video and you can see how his numbers are so strong from there: This is what we've been talking about when we say that AB can help this team against teams like the Pacers who pack the paint and leave shooters open for mid range jumpers. AB and Beno will make those shots. It was an area of weakness last year and will be a strength this year. Look at the PnP opportunities Beno and AB will likely have and how they basically live off those looks: |
dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
![]() Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:I recently stumbled upon NBA.com Shotcharts. I then decided to compare Carmelo, Lebron, and Durant. you know what's crazy is that his shot distribution is mostly from the left side going right where he is actually below average. yet his best shooting is from the right side where he is shooting going to his left, where he is above average. if i am woodson i work a pick and roll game for him on the right side. i remember that he would occasionally have two brush screens set for him from the right side and he made jumpers just as pretty as you please, going left without a defender to hound him. looking at the charts he obviously is more effective in isolation going right so if he must do iso let him do it from that side until he can learn to dribble with his left hand. going iso from the left just doesn't work for him effectively enough, unless it's that little right baseline turnaround fadeaway. his finishing at the rim is a whole other story... but as i have been maintaining for months and months the dude has to incorporate some ball and head fakes down low instead of committing to the air. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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StarksEwing1
Posts: 32671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/28/2012 Member: #4451 |
![]() nixluva wrote:Im actually more excited to have beno.yellowboy90 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:I recently stumbled upon NBA.com Shotcharts. I then decided to compare Carmelo, Lebron, and Durant. |
nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
![]() StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:Im actually more excited to have beno.yellowboy90 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:I recently stumbled upon NBA.com Shotcharts. I then decided to compare Carmelo, Lebron, and Durant. Well it makes sense to be excited about Beno as a PG with good court vision and a good PnR/PnP game. Just don't sell AB short in all of this cuz aside from last year AB was 15ppg-21ppg and he hasn't even maxed out his potential as a player yet. He's in his prime now and AB with Beno is a great tandem to have added to this team. Like I showed above look at his shooting from mid range off PnP. It's 50%+ which is far better than we had last year. Then you add the fact that AB can post and also hit the 3. How can anyone not see that adding that kind of scoring talent is gonna improve what this team can do? Who else in the starting lineup could help Melo to score like AB can? Do we want Felton as the only other guy taking shots in the SL? Now we have AB who is more versatile. |
StarksEwing1
Posts: 32671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/28/2012 Member: #4451 |
![]() nixluva wrote:I have said many times that i hope Bargnani does turn out to be a steal. However i have tried to be as objective as possible. I still have to see him succeed in new york and stay healthyStarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:Im actually more excited to have beno.yellowboy90 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:I recently stumbled upon NBA.com Shotcharts. I then decided to compare Carmelo, Lebron, and Durant. |
jrodmc
Posts: 32927 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 11/24/2004 Member: #805 USA |
![]() jrodmc wrote:jrodmc wrote:yellowboy90 wrote: And the pic is obviously belittling to tkf. |
IronWillGiroud
Posts: 25207 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/17/2012 Member: #4359 |
![]() when bargs gets hot, you can ride him, that's the thing:
we just added another 30 point scorer: on any given night this guy can drop 30 on you, you can have games this year where you might see something like: bargs 31 points and we win something like, 121-99 against the warriors, i don't know if three guys have ever dropped 30 each in the same game, and if no one has done it then i know we have a good chance at being the first, the 30 30 30 game The Will, check out the Official Home of Will's GameDay Art: http://tinyurl.com/thewillgameday
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jrodmc
Posts: 32927 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 11/24/2004 Member: #805 USA |
![]() You see, there's one problem with that theory, IWG: In the real games, they only get to play with one ball at a time.
I think you're confusing morning shootarounds with the actual games. |
IronWillGiroud
Posts: 25207 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/17/2012 Member: #4359 |
![]() this is an ideal case where they are unleashed and in rhythm,
hitting 55, 60% of field goals, all free throws almost, making it rain from three, it's possible for three guys to get hot from three, because they feed off the heat of the other guy The Will, check out the Official Home of Will's GameDay Art: http://tinyurl.com/thewillgameday
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IronWillGiroud
Posts: 25207 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/17/2012 Member: #4359 |
![]() you have a case now where melo can drop 5 threes, bargs drops 5, and jr drops 5,
that's 15 threes from three guys!!! that WILL happen this year, at least once! you're shooting teams out of the building with this line up The Will, check out the Official Home of Will's GameDay Art: http://tinyurl.com/thewillgameday
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Nalod
Posts: 71316 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
![]() dk7th wrote:Markji wrote:dk7th wrote:Markji wrote:tkf wrote:Markji wrote:tkf wrote:Markji wrote:TKF - the box is too big and I have to work. Just one point....your"but trying to play the "euros are better team players card" is a bit desperate, come on now." You dismiss a very important point without any validation. I feel u should at least accept it. Because how else did the US drream teams lose to Euro teams with players from just 1 country. Some didn't even have an NBA player while we had all-stars.Facing increased competition, the USA failed to win a medal at the 2002 FIBA World Championship, finishing sixth. The 2004 Summer Olympic team lost three games on its way to a bronze medal, a record that represented more losses in a single year than the country's Olympic teams had suffered in all previous Olympiads combined. What happens? Maybe he opts out? |
tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
![]() nixluva wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:People are down on Bargs because of his rebounding and team D. It's about removing 1-2 misses from his offense that he had to take in Toronto to get his offense back up to par. read that article.. not only was he coddled, but mitchell as let go because bargnani was not comfortable with a tough , gritty coach. remember mitchell was a great coach for Bosh, he led the raps to the playoffs, won coach of the year and then was fired? why? to cow tow to soft azz Bargnani.. that is why the raps got in guys like delfino, garbajosa, guys he felt comfortable with.. and what was the result? the raps sucked!! There is a lot of wishful thinking going on in this thread... woodson first of all is not as good of a coach as mitchell, and woodson is not a good offensive coach, so all this talk of putting AB in better scoring situations is hilarious... Beno and AB can do that. They both have the skill of being able to knock down the Mid Range jumper. We'll still have the 3pt shooting and ISO plays, but we'll be adding good mid range, PnP offense too. you make them sound like stockton and malone.. let me ask you, why was no one knocking down the raps door for bargnani and then offering beno more than a vet deal? I mean most of these GM's and scouts are pretty darn bright... both guys were attainable, why not go after them? This surely will be an interesting season... The bargnani threads are going to be classics.. Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
![]() IronWillGiroud wrote:when bargs gets hot, you can ride him, that's the thing: I don't think you will ever see that.. if you think those three will get that then you have to account for the warriors putting up 150..... especially if the pace is pushed.. steph curry, clay thompson, iggy, lee, come on, you are not holding them, to 99 points if you think the knicks will get to 121... Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
![]() IronWillGiroud wrote:you have a case now where melo can drop 5 threes, bargs drops 5, and jr drops 5, ok, this thread has reached defcon5..why not join in,what the heck... i mean while we are at it IWG felton will have 20 assist, beno 22, prigs 24 all in that same game.. chandler will have 25 boards, kenyon 22, in that same game Artest and shumpert will hold curry and iggy to 3 points each.. in that same game
this game will be EPIC!!! Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
![]() tkf wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:when bargs gets hot, you can ride him, that's the thing: slightly off topic, but when i was thinking of david lee and his particular skills i wonder if the warriors would ever try to run the triangle offense with him and curry or even iguodala. i know curry's a force from 3-point land but as a variation to their. offense so you take advantage of lee's considerable passing skills. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
![]() dk7th wrote:tkf wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:when bargs gets hot, you can ride him, that's the thing: interesting point, but I think the warriors like and are built for the up and down game, and less of the controlled half court game.. that is an interesting point tho. I am sure curry and clay would work well in the triangle, espcially with clay's shooting skills.. And also add in Bogut who is not a bad passer himself.. Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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