Nalod wrote:Kidd going 0-5 in 35 minutes was not helpful. Stat's inclusion hurt any momentum we had in the 3rd period. without any penetration from our PG or threat of an outside shot at the position they clogged the paint and we needed Iso Melo and Iso JR to keep us in the game.

its good we have such talent to do so but them boys got gassed and the game was already in their hands.

Our record the last few weeks have not been good because of injuries but this was the deal going into the season and we knew the depth of the team would be used.

NYMental you have to understand its not a question of losing games or not recognizing the brilliant job Melo did. Its comical when you start calling his performance "MJ23" like. Mike before he learned to trust his team was a horrific ball hog so you need to be careful which vintage your calling him!

Melo did pass the ball around late last nite when he was gassed and I think he played well within the team game. Smith was great but we came up short for many reasons including looking very old in the back court, Novak not dropping shots, perimeter defense and Stat just being out of synch especially on defense.

I think Stat being in the game cost us.

But, if we are to truly contend it was a game that had to happen regardless the outcome. He looked like lost vet just traded to a team out of shape, out of synch in a preseason game. He looked lost on defense.

Blame it on Stat, but it necessary.

JMHO, here but did anyone notice that Stats turnovers came at crucial times in the game? Now Im not blaming him and I know hes rusty but thats just the way it happens.Im not saying whos doing it and I really dont wanna start crap but some of yall gotta stop the "chicken little,the sky is falling" every damn time we lose a game. Face it lovers and hater,esp the haters, any team is gonna lose games,no team is gonna go 82-0. Lets just enjoy whats going on. I have faith that Woody will work it out because he has made great strides with this team already. So buckle up and lets put the pedal to the metal.

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:dk,

one more thing, please tell me why we needed to constantly bring a double team to help Tyson on DA? Our DPOY needs a hard early double? REALLY?

you mean aldridge? if you do, aldridge is a clever player-- underrated but maybe in the west he is overshadowed a bit. and lets face it dpoy notwithstanding we all know that chandler is foul prone. he is also not that strong-- he gets pushed around quite a bit because he lacks lower body strength.

and yes carmelo's personality has an affect on the team. i guess if he is going to be an mvp candidate he needs to be a little hungrier and a little bit angrier. no?

Are...you....blaming this loss on Carmelo?

no i am not. but lets not have a double standard here. he gets credit for wins but is exonerated for losses? that won't fly.

the team has been underachieving lately. slow starts, defensive lassitude, not enough shots spread around from ball movement.

Did you see the ball movement by him tonight? You got us all watching closely.

it still needs to be better. 18 assists is too low but no question novak and kidd hurt us. is it acceptable that two guys take 55% of the shots but those apologists hahn and sczizerbak claim that other guys need to step it up? pretty facile postgame there.

dk,

You must go back and watch this game. Melo moved the ball very well. The team had loads of open looks. 18 is low and the team is averaging 20 which is 24th in the league. Tonight, if we hit some shots, we would have had 26 assists (at least) and the ball movement would have been praised.

You can't make comments like "18 assists is still too low" - it really makes it look like you missed the game. Hence the facile postgame remark.

melo is taking and making shots is what i see. melo made a really nice dish to stoudemire and i'd like to see a whole lot more of that since it looks as though brewer's days are numbered as a starter. four assists is very good for him. melo is moving the ball okay but not enough to suit the team. you say loads of "open" looks but are they quality open looks that are results of a true offensive flow and cohesiveness? you say open looks and i see a disjointed herky-jerky offense.

here's the rub: it seems as though he can score at will, but should he? would it be better to keep the ball moving and allow others opportunities? i don't ask this rhetorically i ask it because i wonder if that would be better for the team in terms of focus.

and then there's the defense. is it conceivable that by moving the ball on offense you promote focus and intensity on defense?

I counted about 6-7 times that Melo passed out as soon as the double team arrived for good open cohesive looks and there were just clanks. You don't remember these?

cooch2584 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Kidd going 0-5 in 35 minutes was not helpful. Stat's inclusion hurt any momentum we had in the 3rd period. without any penetration from our PG or threat of an outside shot at the position they clogged the paint and we needed Iso Melo and Iso JR to keep us in the game.

its good we have such talent to do so but them boys got gassed and the game was already in their hands.

Our record the last few weeks have not been good because of injuries but this was the deal going into the season and we knew the depth of the team would be used.

NYMental you have to understand its not a question of losing games or not recognizing the brilliant job Melo did. Its comical when you start calling his performance "MJ23" like. Mike before he learned to trust his team was a horrific ball hog so you need to be careful which vintage your calling him!

Melo did pass the ball around late last nite when he was gassed and I think he played well within the team game. Smith was great but we came up short for many reasons including looking very old in the back court, Novak not dropping shots, perimeter defense and Stat just being out of synch especially on defense.

I think Stat being in the game cost us.

But, if we are to truly contend it was a game that had to happen regardless the outcome. He looked like lost vet just traded to a team out of shape, out of synch in a preseason game. He looked lost on defense.

Blame it on Stat, but it necessary.

JMHO, here but did anyone notice that Stats turnovers came at crucial times in the game? Now Im not blaming him and I know hes rusty but thats just the way it happens.Im not saying whos doing it and I really dont wanna start crap but some of yall gotta stop the "chicken little,the sky is falling" every damn time we lose a game. Face it lovers and hater,esp the haters, any team is gonna lose games,no team is gonna go 82-0. Lets just enjoy whats going on. I have faith that Woody will work it out because he has made great strides with this team already. So buckle up and lets put the pedal to the metal.

Nalod wrote:Kidd going 0-5 in 35 minutes was not helpful. Stat's inclusion hurt any momentum we had in the 3rd period. without any penetration from our PG or threat of an outside shot at the position they clogged the paint and we needed Iso Melo and Iso JR to keep us in the game.

its good we have such talent to do so but them boys got gassed and the game was already in their hands.

Our record the last few weeks have not been good because of injuries but this was the deal going into the season and we knew the depth of the team would be used.

NYMental you have to understand its not a question of losing games or not recognizing the brilliant job Melo did. Its comical when you start calling his performance "MJ23" like. Mike before he learned to trust his team was a horrific ball hog so you need to be careful which vintage your calling him!

Melo did pass the ball around late last nite when he was gassed and I think he played well within the team game. Smith was great but we came up short for many reasons including looking very old in the back court, Novak not dropping shots, perimeter defense and Stat just being out of synch especially on defense.

I think Stat being in the game cost us.

But, if we are to truly contend it was a game that had to happen regardless the outcome. He looked like lost vet just traded to a team out of shape, out of synch in a preseason game. He looked lost on defense.

Blame it on Stat, but it necessary.

I get why you'd say that, but to be fair we managed to lose the Kings game in pretty much the same way. To me, last nights game was just the result of the way we've been playing lately- a no show in the first half, pitiful defense and poor rebounding. I think we would have lost it whether Amar'e played or not. Like you said, Kidd scored 0, so did Kurt and Novak. Cope, Prigs and Tyson played poorly too. Without Amar'e, would Melo or JR have scored 11 more points?

Man, it seems for the past 5 or more years we always slump in January- always! Don't know what it is, but if we don't start playing with a bit more fire and defense, history will repeat itself.

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:dk,

one more thing, please tell me why we needed to constantly bring a double team to help Tyson on DA? Our DPOY needs a hard early double? REALLY?

you mean aldridge? if you do, aldridge is a clever player-- underrated but maybe in the west he is overshadowed a bit. and lets face it dpoy notwithstanding we all know that chandler is foul prone. he is also not that strong-- he gets pushed around quite a bit because he lacks lower body strength.

and yes carmelo's personality has an affect on the team. i guess if he is going to be an mvp candidate he needs to be a little hungrier and a little bit angrier. no?

Are...you....blaming this loss on Carmelo?

no i am not. but lets not have a double standard here. he gets credit for wins but is exonerated for losses? that won't fly.

the team has been underachieving lately. slow starts, defensive lassitude, not enough shots spread around from ball movement.

Did you see the ball movement by him tonight? You got us all watching closely.

it still needs to be better. 18 assists is too low but no question novak and kidd hurt us. is it acceptable that two guys take 55% of the shots but those apologists hahn and sczizerbak claim that other guys need to step it up? pretty facile postgame there.

dk,

You must go back and watch this game. Melo moved the ball very well. The team had loads of open looks. 18 is low and the team is averaging 20 which is 24th in the league. Tonight, if we hit some shots, we would have had 26 assists (at least) and the ball movement would have been praised.

You can't make comments like "18 assists is still too low" - it really makes it look like you missed the game. Hence the facile postgame remark.

melo is taking and making shots is what i see. melo made a really nice dish to stoudemire and i'd like to see a whole lot more of that since it looks as though brewer's days are numbered as a starter. four assists is very good for him. melo is moving the ball okay but not enough to suit the team. you say loads of "open" looks but are they quality open looks that are results of a true offensive flow and cohesiveness? you say open looks and i see a disjointed herky-jerky offense.

here's the rub: it seems as though he can score at will, but should he? would it be better to keep the ball moving and allow others opportunities? i don't ask this rhetorically i ask it because i wonder if that would be better for the team in terms of focus.

and then there's the defense. is it conceivable that by moving the ball on offense you promote focus and intensity on defense?

I counted about 6-7 times that Melo passed out as soon as the double team arrived for good open cohesive looks and there were just clanks. You don't remember these?

yes is do remember these. the question remains-- is that enough? we had around 95-100 possessions, right? don't mean to be a hard-ass about it but i just don't like the look of this offense. does it not look disjointed to you? obviously if either kidd or novak hit one shot apiece we win. but still-- i don't see a cohesive offense out there most of the time.

Nalod wrote:This is not a "Homer check".......

But 3-5 the last 8 games is a reason for concern. Its the recent trend. I know its heart warming to think Stat and Shump will save the day and as no matter how much orange and blue runs thru your veins one has to recognize the last 8 games.

What we did the first 6 weeks was great but it might be the exception not the season norm.

We don't know. its why we tune!

So I assume your not a homer? Our record the first 6 weeks was an exception?? Your kidding right?? We beat some very good teams,on their court. Big fail Nalod

yellowboy90 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:Kidd going 0-5 in 35 minutes was not helpful. Stat's inclusion hurt any momentum we had in the 3rd period. without any penetration from our PG or threat of an outside shot at the position they clogged the paint and we needed Iso Melo and Iso JR to keep us in the game.

its good we have such talent to do so but them boys got gassed and the game was already in their hands.

Our record the last few weeks have not been good because of injuries but this was the deal going into the season and we knew the depth of the team would be used.

NYMental you have to understand its not a question of losing games or not recognizing the brilliant job Melo did. Its comical when you start calling his performance "MJ23" like. Mike before he learned to trust his team was a horrific ball hog so you need to be careful which vintage your calling him!

Melo did pass the ball around late last nite when he was gassed and I think he played well within the team game. Smith was great but we came up short for many reasons including looking very old in the back court, Novak not dropping shots, perimeter defense and Stat just being out of synch especially on defense.

I think Stat being in the game cost us.

But, if we are to truly contend it was a game that had to happen regardless the outcome. He looked like lost vet just traded to a team out of shape, out of synch in a preseason game. He looked lost on defense.

Blame it on Stat, but it necessary.

I get why you'd say that, but to be fair we managed to lose the Kings game in pretty much the same way. To me, last nights game was just the result of the way we've been playing lately- a no show in the first half, pitiful defense and poor rebounding. I think we would have lost it whether Amar'e played or not. Like you said, Kidd scored 0, so did Kurt and Novak. Cope, Prigs and Tyson played poorly too. Without Amar'e, would Melo or JR have scored 11 more points?

Man, it seems for the past 5 or more years we always slump in January- always! Don't know what it is, but if we don't start playing with a bit more fire and defense, history will repeat itself.

I get where he is coming from to a degree. Those possessions where they were trying to get Amar'e going where kind of wasted trips but it was needed for the overall goal. It might have hurt the Knicks that game but it will bear fruit going forward.

you have to let that part of the game go because folding him into the mix is for the greater, longer term good. missing the elbow shots is correctable once he relaxes and finds his rhythm in the heat of action. more worrisome is not knowing anything about defending. i have never seen a player quite so at sea.

cooch2584 wrote:

Nalod wrote:This is not a "Homer check".......

But 3-5 the last 8 games is a reason for concern. Its the recent trend. I know its heart warming to think Stat and Shump will save the day and as no matter how much orange and blue runs thru your veins one has to recognize the last 8 games.

What we did the first 6 weeks was great but it might be the exception not the season norm.

We don't know. its why we tune!

And please Nalod dont speak for someone else when Im being called out on a "homer ck" Im sure he can speak for himself.He said I was taking on the homer pipe. So IMO it was a homer ck.

smackeddog wrote:At least we can move on by winning the next game- oh c**p! It's the Spurs! Wow, we could actually go on a the first 3 game losing streak of Woody's Knick tenure. Those Spurs will be out for revenge after we beat them last time.

We beat them on their own court,now we have them at home, on a thurs nite without the robert randolph band lol

Nalod wrote:This is not a "Homer check".......

But 3-5 the last 8 games is a reason for concern. Its the recent trend. I know its heart warming to think Stat and Shump will save the day and as no matter how much orange and blue runs thru your veins one has to recognize the last 8 games.

What we did the first 6 weeks was great but it might be the exception not the season norm.

We don't know. its why we tune!

It's funny. After the first 8 games we were reviewing orgasm gifs I believe. THAT trend there was not to have any credibility lent to it.

But Voila! we have a whoooooooooooooooole 8 games now on the OTHER side of the ledger, and looky here guys, this is the RECENT TREND that begs to be RECOGNIZED.

SMH. What's wrong Uncle Nads, no action over at ultimatenyets.com?