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tkf
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holfresh wrote:tkf wrote:holfresh wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:tkf wrote:CashMoney wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:NUPE wrote:tkf wrote:
ALL TOP TIER PG's destroy each other.. what is your point?
Please show me videos of Deron Willians, Rondo and CP3 getting stripped by a simple 1v1 full court or half court press multiple times in the same game this past season. This is an extreme problem. The fact that you kids poo poo this is laughable and ridiculous. extreme problem? other than that game vs miami, where else has that happened? I think the only thing here that is extreme, is your criticism of lin.. full sour grapes mode bro.. It would have been nice or a better gauge if Lin shot better than 34% against > .500 competition. the most important stats is 8-1.. he saved the knicks season. he was dynamic and capture the NBA world..... useless stats do you no favors here. .in the end, the key is to win, get your guys out on top.... that requires a lot of leadership.. which is why the knicks have stunk for years, no leadership, doesn't matter if you can dunk out of your mind, wear headbands or call yourself the "best pure scorer" rofl.. just win baby.. .win.. lin did that... Lin did that against shytty teams while he was still unknown. When he became known, he was below average. There are many reasons or contributors that were in play here so I am not judging him (yet). I would have liked him back to see how he might have developed but crowning him at this point or de-crowning him is silly. Was it magical? Certainly and I cannot remember a more magical 10 game stretch in any sport but he is at this point a VERY unknown commodity. And, if you find a stat that displays a players ability to shine or not shine against the better competition useless then you are completely missing the boat and that is maybe why you never bring stats into your arguments. For the most part, Lin appeared to play well verse most teams but Miami. I'll give him, or any player, that pass. I remember Stat and Melo having more bad games than Lin to be honest - it happens. Talk about no training camp, the kid had no anything before being thrown in there. When you see a young talent like Lin play and play EXTREMELY well as a rookie, you can't overlook that - and he is playing a very difficult position at that. Man, after suffering through so many years as a Knicks fan, I find it hard to believe that so many people are not talking about the specialness he brought - making this into a mechanistic argument that misses so much and also avoids the obvious. You can't quantify special. This is real simple: Eyes don't lie. We saw something in that kid that we hadn't seen in a Knicks player in a LOOOOOOOONG time. It was special. It isn't worth breaking down into stats (thought they were very good). Lin had IT. All the hate and rationalization isn't going to take what we saw away. Break it down into stats, into logic, etc. Lin is special. And Dolan is a moron. The key word here is "appeared". And you mentioned Melo - that you "remembered" that he had "more bad games". Lin shot 34% against > .500 competion while Melo shot 46%. I know many do not care for stats, especially when what they are looking at "appears" to be magical. I understand this concept/argument and used it many times in my discussion with Bonn1997. However, being fair and balanced, it can't be discounted since stats don't lie. While I openly admitted to my magical feeling with Lin during the Linsanity stretch, the stats cannot be discounted, especially such an important one. Lin appeared to play well against the teams other than Miami however, that was not the case an appearances and magic can be misleading. One has to be open minded in their overall assessment and not use emotion as a gauge. While Lin might have a big upside, he remains unproven. He will have this season to prove himself so we will certainly see shortly if he can be a consistent good player. My take does not belittle what he has done. carmelo's playoff record 16-36 can you win... that is what I am concerned with... if you shoot 34% against above .500 comp but still win, then that is all that matters.. Nice. Winning is about your team, you need to play well to help with that. But I am sure you know that even with your blind hate. It's nice to be able to choose when to be blind. la la land must be a fun place. I need to take an excursion ... :-) 16-36 bro.. nothing more to say... Shocking that you have nothing more to say! How did Melo play in those 36 losses? The fact of the matter is that the game of basketball will always and forever be a team sport. Players have great games and lose but the loss comes as a team not as an individual. Lossing a game does not make the player who played a great game a loser. Just means that the player played well but the team didn't. Nothing more nothing less. no it is not shocking, that is my point.. sometimes stats like shooting .34% vs teams above .500 don't tell the whole story.. lin was a catalyst, he was a playmaker and a leader on the floor.... and he showed signs of being a winner, regardless of how well he shot... doesn't matter how carmelo played in those 36 losses,if he played well and still went 16-36 is that any better than playing bad in those losses.... maybe his style of play just doesn't produce winning ball.. that is the key. I think this is a key point, at least with Lin. When we talk of a player making others better, what do we mean? It isn't clear but I think raising the whole teams energy, emotion, game, motivation, etc. is a big part of it. Lin caused the team to rise to another level. I don't want to come off as anti-Melo, as I like the guy to a point. But I wouldn't say he does what Lin does to the team, at least not in the same capacity of "team". Yeah, Melo can carry a team and occasionally make great passes. Sort of like Stat can carry a team if he is on as well. But night in and night out, only a few players cause those around them's game to rise up, instead of sitting there and watching. So, Lin might have had some poorer numbers against better teams, but if we are winning, what does that tell you? What does it tell you if a player puts up great numbers but the team loses? I will choose the former, every time, as it is a team game. And related, Lin had that knee bothering him sometime after the Dallas game. You could see it in his play. So, in large part to base an argument on a poor shooting % when the player was not only clearly playing hurt but also thrown into a situation and clearly taxed from waaaay too many minutes minutes, is just missing the point and what the player in Lin, brought. Melo is a hired gun, we got him to score the ball not to be Magic Johnson....Also, how come Lin didn't make Melo and Amare better, the very two guys if u make better it matters a hell of a lot.??? and you never,ever pay that much for a hired gun if all he does is score, and is not the very best at it in the league... that is my point... lebron james is the fastest gun in the east, why go out and hire a gun fighter who is slower at the draw? you need to get a posse.. a posse of guys who can combined beat this gunfighter.... we tossed all of the towns money from the coffer at this guy, and for what? small forwards who do nothing but score are not the guys you build around... Bro you are whining and whaling about the Knicks not willing to pay 60 mil in Lin's 3rd year as a ransom...You seem very willing to overpay for Lin, is he the best in the league???...You really want to compare the two...Melo is a scorer yes...He rebounds and closes out games...Last year down the final stretch, commentators were saying he is the best in the sport at closing...Melo is top ten in the NBA..You are nuts...You ar blinded by your love of Lin...Linsanity..All after 8 games, E I G H T!!!!...The kid broke down after 30/35 games two years in a row and needed knee surgery both times...Let's see him finish an NBA season just once before committing 70 mil to an unknown... actually I didn't want the knicks to pay lin 60 mil, just the 28 mil that houston offered, not going to get in this ridiculous luxury tax argument because the tax is based on all salaries.. matching lin would have cost us nothing more than a salary, not picks, not young high draft picks.... none of that.. just dolans money, which he seems to spend like water, all in the wrong places.. Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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) that we have to move on, somehow. 
9/12/2012 1:27 PM
