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4/15/2012  4:29 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
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Clean wrote:Woody just saidh e should have stayed with Shump LOL. I think it was pretty obvious that he should have never gotten Fields back in the game. He took Shump out right after he was giving it to wade.

How about BD? That guy is the biggest disaster!

Davis is just as bad as fields i mean the guy cant move anymore or penetrate

Davis didn't play that bad. That charge was a bad call..he got clobbered before he even ran guy over. Add to that he is only playing out of necessity being injured. He seems to start the game playing at a good level and as minutes mount gets worse and worse. Injury effect.

1-6 FG 4 assists and 5 AWFUL turnovers! Very solid game - REALLY?????????????????

I'm talking in comparison to Fields. He did some good things. defense, some nifty passes. He's injured out there so I can't put him on the same level as Fields.

shump was injured how many steals did he have on wade

How about his offense? Baron play'd some solid defense as well. Fields did zilch on both ends. He was in his own level of ineptitude today.

FoeDiddy, I can't believe you are defending BD. TD could have done a better job!

So you think TD could have done better? LOL..that's hilarious. I'm not defending BD. I'm just saying he did some positive things and I appreciate him playing injured for team cause of Lin's injury and TD stinkyness. Remember how great BD looked playing his role with 2nd team? If Lin was healthy he would not have play'd for a week or two to heal up.

He kills the shot clock, still thinks he is the/a star and I can't stand him! He is and always was a me-first player. I love when we don't get into our offense until 22 on the shot clock. He stunk - case closed. As JVG says: If you're on the floor then injury is not an excuse.

I agree with that. but still not on TD level of stinkyness. Baron play's better & smarter defense and does make some decent passes at times. He has been bad and injury is not an excuse but reality.

At least TD does not think he is a focal point in this offense and BD does. I saw a number of times that Melo had good position and he went into his own dumb-phuck-superman move. BD will always be about BD.

wowzers. What TD are you watching. He looks for his own shot every time down. BD actually prefers to make a pass more than any of our PGs. Yeah sometimes he makes complicated passes vs. the easy one but he is a way more willing passer then brick shooting TD. Think you have a heavy grudge against dude.

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4/15/2012  4:31 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
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IrishKnickFan wrote:
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Clean wrote:Woody just saidh e should have stayed with Shump LOL. I think it was pretty obvious that he should have never gotten Fields back in the game. He took Shump out right after he was giving it to wade.

How about BD? That guy is the biggest disaster!

Davis is just as bad as fields i mean the guy cant move anymore or penetrate

Davis didn't play that bad. That charge was a bad call..he got clobbered before he even ran guy over. Add to that he is only playing out of necessity being injured. He seems to start the game playing at a good level and as minutes mount gets worse and worse. Injury effect.

1-6 FG 4 assists and 5 AWFUL turnovers! Very solid game - REALLY?????????????????

I'm talking in comparison to Fields. He did some good things. defense, some nifty passes. He's injured out there so I can't put him on the same level as Fields.

shump was injured how many steals did he have on wade

How about his offense? Baron play'd some solid defense as well. Fields did zilch on both ends. He was in his own level of ineptitude today.

FoeDiddy, I can't believe you are defending BD. TD could have done a better job!

So you think TD could have done better? LOL..that's hilarious. I'm not defending BD. I'm just saying he did some positive things and I appreciate him playing injured for team cause of Lin's injury and TD stinkyness. Remember how great BD looked playing his role with 2nd team? If Lin was healthy he would not have play'd for a week or two to heal up.

He kills the shot clock, still thinks he is the/a star and I can't stand him! He is and always was a me-first player. I love when we don't get into our offense until 22 on the shot clock. He stunk - case closed. As JVG says: If you're on the floor then injury is not an excuse.

I agree with that. but still not on TD level of stinkyness. Baron play's better & smarter defense and does make some decent passes at times. He has been bad and injury is not an excuse but reality.

At least TD does not think he is a focal point in this offense and BD does. I saw a number of times that Melo had good position and he went into his own dumb-phuck-superman move. BD will always be about BD.

wowzers. What TD are you watching. He looks for his own shot every time down. BD actually prefers to make a pass more than any of our PGs. Yeah sometimes he makes complicated passes vs. the easy one but he is a way more willing passer then brick shooting TD. Think you have a heavy grudge against dude.

That was the MDA-TD.

TD does suck and I just using him as to compare how bad BD is. And yes. I do hate BD and always did because he was always selfish. And now, he is selfish and stink-city.

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4/15/2012  4:33 PM
Foe, you are smarter than that. It isn't that 4pts is a huge lead, it should tell you that we were way close into this game and had a real shot at winning but then the way we stopped playing like we had, is what is unacceptable. The way we were playing, had we lost to a last shot, it would've hurt a lot but would've been understandable than laying a huge egg and trailing by double digits in the final 3 minutes.

Either way, I hope we can keep playing this well when Amar'e returns.

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4/15/2012  4:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/15/2012  4:34 PM
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yellowboy90 wrote:I also saw we ran PnR with Davis and Chandler which lead to turnovers and bad shots at the end of the 24.

No, no, no, See our pick and rolls don't count because they ended with Iso and their Iso's do count as ball movement because they started with pick and rolls.


SHUT UP MEG!!!!!!!!!

Of course you have to execute properly. Just cuz you fail on one or two plays, doesn't mean you just lose composure and start jacking guarded long range shots!!! As usual you bring nothing to the conversation but garbage. If I actually say something that doesn't make sense from a BB perspective then you can say something, but i'm not saying anything that is wrong from a pure BB perspective and you know it. I never said anything about MDA or any of that crap. I'm just commenting on what the team did today.

If the team plays horrible offense but makes shots, it's OK with some of you. Now they lose a game with horrible offensive execution and bad decision making and miss those same kind of shots, then we should be allowed to say it.


Oh, it's execution.

Somebody get Mike Woodson on the phone, the team just need to run the pick and roll again.........that's the problem!!

Shut up MEG, I already told you I'm tired of your agenda driven posts. Mike Woodson brought Bdiddy in to run the pick and roll. And we got 1 Chandler dunk out of it. They didn't have to guard any1 else on the court other than Melo, they didn't have to worry about leaving people open because the team was missing everything. Don't you think that is a problem mister basket ball coach?? Melo sets the pick and his man isn't leaving. We don't have any threat coming off the pick and setting the pick. Melo can't do BOTH!!!!!!

That's the problem Jackass and against good teams, they will never leave Melo, if he has the ball or not. We are down two big offensive players, one them being Lin the point guard. So hearing any talk about how the offense looks out of you when "the coach doesn't have his point guard" is GARBAGE!!!!

We are still 13-5, so STFU!!!!

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4/15/2012  4:34 PM
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yellowboy90 wrote:Besides the last 1:36 the Knicks did try to run offense late in the quarter. They ran several several PnRs by Melo and Davis. Davis got into the lane to find Chandler and Melo got past Bron threw it to a wide open Jr who hesitated then passed it back to melo for a 3 sec. violation. Another time there was a bad pass by Davis who must have thought Melo was going to the corner but Melo curled to the rim and was wide open. Then there was a bad post up sequence where Melo rushed his shot from the corner. I think he thought there was less time on the clock than there was because he could have drove baseline. Unlike some have said it was not just ISO Melo to close. People take one or two trips down the floor and make it every possession in their mind(The Mike Breen effect). The Knicks loss but ut was not like Miami was not playing well. Their top three played very well but the Knicks was still in it despite their short cummings. Moral victories mean little but it is a good sign for once the Knicks will have another threat.

Thank you. I look at it like when Giants lost to Patriots or Packers in regular season meetings. You lost but there are a lot of things you can take from this game to help beat them in playoffs. Lots of holes that we can improve on to upset them in playoffs. I'm optimistic they can at least make a competitive 7 game series vs. Heat.

I agree. Competitive but they can't win without another scorer and a PG. Also, they are getting crushed more and more on the boards.

Amare hopefully equals another scorer and hopefully we wrap up playoff spot so Baron can rest for a week to come back strong for playoffs. Tyson needs a rest too. He wasn't spry today to get a lot of rebounds..only 5. AWful for a starting center.

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4/15/2012  4:34 PM
Baron: "We have to play at a better offensive pace. It falls on my shoulders, being able to push, get better shots and more guys the ball."

This is coming from the person who walked the ball up court everytime after we went down 10 points with 3 minutes to go.

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4/15/2012  4:36 PM
Clean wrote:After weatching us play both the buls and the heat I rather take the heat in the playoffs. If the team watches tape the way to beat the Heats D is easy as was said earlier in the game thread. The bulls bench is what scares me until the Knicks are at full strength.

I see your point but the bench will be much different when Landry comes off it. Some say that is a bad thing but I think he needs to be used in the high post not behind the arc. Use him as Melo back up. Sure you can't let him go solo but run some sets for he free throw in and he might do something against teams second team.

Either way the Knicks need to feature Chandler in the post some. He has to score to put pressure on their weakness. For each team its their 4 defensive skills. Chandler will be guarded by either Bosh or Boozer and must attack them. The Knicks need someone else to attack teams weak spots.

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4/15/2012  4:38 PM
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yellowboy90 wrote:Besides the last 1:36 the Knicks did try to run offense late in the quarter. They ran several several PnRs by Melo and Davis. Davis got into the lane to find Chandler and Melo got past Bron threw it to a wide open Jr who hesitated then passed it back to melo for a 3 sec. violation. Another time there was a bad pass by Davis who must have thought Melo was going to the corner but Melo curled to the rim and was wide open. Then there was a bad post up sequence where Melo rushed his shot from the corner. I think he thought there was less time on the clock than there was because he could have drove baseline. Unlike some have said it was not just ISO Melo to close. People take one or two trips down the floor and make it every possession in their mind(The Mike Breen effect). The Knicks loss but ut was not like Miami was not playing well. Their top three played very well but the Knicks was still in it despite their short cummings. Moral victories mean little but it is a good sign for once the Knicks will have another threat.

Thank you. I look at it like when Giants lost to Patriots or Packers in regular season meetings. You lost but there are a lot of things you can take from this game to help beat them in playoffs. Lots of holes that we can improve on to upset them in playoffs. I'm optimistic they can at least make a competitive 7 game series vs. Heat.

I agree. Competitive but they can't win without another scorer and a PG. Also, they are getting crushed more and more on the boards.

Amare hopefully equals another scorer and hopefully we wrap up playoff spot so Baron can rest for a week to come back strong for playoffs. Tyson needs a rest too. He wasn't spry today to get a lot of rebounds..only 5. AWful for a starting center.

I hope. If Amare has that Jumper going, we can beat anyone (If Melo plays point forward and/or if Shump plays 60 pct PG). Without PG play, it does not matter who we have if we start our play with 2 seconds on the shot clock.

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4/15/2012  4:38 PM
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Clean wrote:After weatching us play both the buls and the heat I rather take the heat in the playoffs. If the team watches tape the way to beat the Heats D is easy as was said earlier in the game thread. The bulls bench is what scares me until the Knicks are at full strength.

I see your point but the bench will be much different when Landry comes off it. Some say that is a bad thing but I think he needs to be used in the high post not behind the arc. Use him as Melo back up. Sure you can't let him go solo but run some sets for he free throw in and he might do something against teams second team.

Either way the Knicks need to feature Chandler in the post some. He has to score to put pressure on their weakness. For each team its their 4 defensive skills. Chandler will be guarded by either Bosh or Boozer and must attack them. The Knicks need someone else to attack teams weak spots.

That would be a debacle..Chandler doesn't have a post game. He is better finishing off passes. That person to attack is Amare. Plain and simple.

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4/15/2012  4:45 PM
Foe, glad you stick to your sentiments. I stick to mine that its inexcusable and disgusting the way they played those last minutes after getting a lead, then allowing the Heat to run away from you and get a double digit lead on you. Its the playoffs at the Garden and you are facing your possible first round matchup. They've beaten you 2 times and could sweep you. You are well into the game and suddenly you start shooting dumb jumpers and play matador defense and lay down to die to the point that a close game becomes a double digit deficit? If you like that, suit yourself, but to me thats inexcusable and disgusting agter playing such strong 41 minutes. Again, go kiss Miami's lower back and buy your tickets to their parade, but don't hit the floor hard when they don't win the 'chip.
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4/15/2012  4:47 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Foe, glad you stick to your sentiments. I stick to mine that its inexcusable and disgusting the way they played those last minutes after getting a lead, then allowing the Heat to run away from you and get a double digit lead on you. Its the playoffs at the Garden and you are facing your possible first round matchup. They've beaten you 2 times and could sweep you. You are well into the game and suddenly you start shooting dumb jumpers and play matador defense and lay down to die to the point that a close game becomes a double digit deficit? If you like that, suit yourself, but to me thats inexcusable and disgusting agter playing such strong 41 minutes. Again, go kiss Miami's lower back and buy your tickets to their parade, but don't hit the floor hard when they don't win the 'chip.

Win the chip? You talkin bout winning the chip? Now that's funny. Who can win the chip with one offensive player?

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4/15/2012  4:49 PM
I was talking about Miami since they are the clear cut favorite, as Foe said.
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4/15/2012  4:50 PM
Again, not that Miami isn't good, but they aren't perfect and we could've easily beaten them had we stuck to our game.
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4/15/2012  4:53 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Foe, glad you stick to your sentiments. I stick to mine that its inexcusable and disgusting the way they played those last minutes after getting a lead, then allowing the Heat to run away from you and get a double digit lead on you. Its the playoffs at the Garden and you are facing your possible first round matchup. They've beaten you 2 times and could sweep you. You are well into the game and suddenly you start shooting dumb jumpers and play matador defense and lay down to die to the point that a close game becomes a double digit deficit? If you like that, suit yourself, but to me thats inexcusable and disgusting agter playing such strong 41 minutes. Again, go kiss Miami's lower back and buy your tickets to their parade, but don't hit the floor hard when they don't win the 'chip.

Reality and kissing someone's backside is two different things. Heat are a TOp 5 team in this league. I don't think they will win it either and honestly don't care if they do. My Team is the Knickerbockers. There is no shame in losing to them the way we did. I guess I look at the game as a coach/objective observer and not a KNICKSFANatic. We've seen disgusting play by the Knicks over the years and this game was not one of them.

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4/15/2012  4:54 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Again, not that Miami isn't good, but they aren't perfect and we could've easily beaten them had we stuck to our game.

I agree that we could have beaten them but we don't really have a reliable offense so we will have many feast or famine moments. Unfortunately, it bit us in the 4th qtr.

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4/15/2012  4:54 PM
Knicksfan wrote:I was talking about Miami since they are the clear cut favorite, as Foe said.

I see now you are a sensation poster..lol..when did I say the were clear cut favorites? Your post come off way too emotional.

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4/15/2012  4:56 PM
Much focus on who we should draw in the first round. The truth is we can beat anybody if we have three things:

1. Health: We need Stat and Lin back ASAP.

2. Defense: Play the type of D you've been playing. Don't change it.

3. Rebounding: Can't expect to beat Chicago and Miami by playing great D and failing to get the board, giving them easy second chance points.

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4/15/2012  4:58 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Much focus on who we should draw in the first round. The truth is we can beat anybody if we have three things:

1. Health: We need Stat and Lin back ASAP.

2. Defense: Play the type of D you've been playing. Don't change it.

3. Rebounding: Can't expect to beat Chicago and Miami by playing great D and failing to get the board, giving them easy second chance points.

We are not just just failing to get the board. Chandler is always out of position helping when we get beat of the dribble. Chandler even said this after the Milwalkee game. We are also small without Stat.

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4/15/2012  5:05 PM
Ohh excuse me coach Foe. Now backing away from what you said about Miami? Dude, see the game the way you want to, I'll see it my way. If I was Woodson, considering what he said about accountability and all, I'd let them know how good they played for 3 1/2 quarters but how unacceptable it is to play as poorly as we played to end the game. I still love the team and root for them. As you said, we've been thru worse and all, but now that we finally have a solid team, we have to keep pushing to play better instead of being conformist simply because the other team is a Top 5 team, favorite to win the 'chip and all. If that was the way, then why bother making the playoffs since all the top seeds have the right to win? Nah, you push to win and today we could've if we had stuck to our gameplan and not sucked in that last half quarter.
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4/15/2012  5:07 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Ohh excuse me coach Foe. Now backing away from what you said about Miami? Dude, see the game the way you want to, I'll see it my way. If I was Woodson, considering what he said about accountability and all, I'd let them know how good they played for 3 1/2 quarters but how unacceptable it is to play as poorly as we played to end the game. I still love the team and root for them. As you said, we've been thru worse and all, but now that we finally have a solid team, we have to keep pushing to play better instead of being conformist simply because the other team is a Top 5 team, favorite to win the 'chip and all. If that was the way, then why bother making the playoffs since all the top seeds have the right to win? Nah, you push to win and today we could've if we had stuck to our gameplan and not sucked in that last half quarter.

They have far from a solid offensive team.

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