playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:Golden State should be up 2 games but they got 1 of them....

Young Team On The Rise.....Building Your Team Through the Lottery has it's benefits and if done right it doesn't take took long.

What about Cleveland? All they got was Kyrie Irving. Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters have been meh......

I think the key is that you build your core around those guys and then you add free agents.. but you are only as good as your foundation... I take the yankees for example.. they have won 5 rings and numerous division titles, many free agents have come and gone, but the constant has been jeter, rivera, petite...... look at the spurs, manu, duncan, parker.... that just seems to be a recipe for sucess, now there are exceptions to the rule, but honestly I don't understand the contempt for doing things in a way that has worked over and over again, more so than not.... this is not to say other ways can't work, but it tends to be the exception, not the rule...

No one is saying building through the draft is bad. Small markets have to build through the draft. Big markets can entice free agents. Knicks have been "building" through the draft for over a decade. The reality is unless your tanking yearly or lucky you are going to have a hard time building through the draft.

Sacrmento has/had Tyreke Evans, Demarcus Cousins, Fredette, Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, etc.

Minnesota has/had Kevin Love, Ricky Rubio, Derrick Williams, Wesley Johnson, Johnny Flynn, Ty Lawson, Corey Brewer, Brandon Roy

The list goes on and on.

the knicks haven't been building through the draft for decades, proof is the knicks have never extended any of their first round picks and KEPT them in almost 20 years, I think that is the case..
we haven't... building through the draft affords you several luxuries.... if it doesn't work, it allows you to reset or change course quickly.... which is why teams like Houston were able to take advantage and strike quickly, now they are set for years to come, the same can be said for Denver, GS and heck the wolves, the verdict is still out, but I sure would like to see them healthy.. when they were for a stretch they looked like a playoff team..

Again, if you are happy with the way the knicks are doing things.. Fine... but the contempt for building a team in a way that has worked, over and over again in pro sports, especially the NBA is just mind boggling.. again, no one said it was a surefire way, but jeez history shows it is a way that has benefited teams, over, and over, and over again.....

What young players can play and compete and be successful while wearing the Knicks Uniform in NYC at MSG in the PLAYOFFS with the organ going(dun dun) and the crowd yelling DEFENSE from the beginning to the end of games???

You have to have older veterans playing in those games for the knicks, cause even some vets + young pups although talented can't handle the pressure presented there. The mood & atmosphere at the garden during the playoffs, is surreal everybody can't produce there and if they do they are very special people.

Now guys on the opposing teams can play well, but when they put on a knicks uni they get a lil tight.

Last time the Knicks won a Championship the players ages were:

Frazier 27 yrs old
Bill Bradley 29 yrs old
D. Debusschere32 yrs old
Earl Monroe 28 yrs old
Willis Reed 32 yrs old
Jerry Lucas 32 yrs old
Phil Jackson 27 yrs old
Dean Meminger 24 yrs Old
Dick Barnett 36 yrs old

Young guys can't handle it at MSG, the pressure to succeed is too difficult.

So save all that young talent crap, because when the playoffs come nobody wants to shoot, everybody wants to get an assist.

It's one reason why Lebron didn't come an many others in their prime won't, expectations are so high (43 yrs no Title). So the argument of getting young talent with no veteran leadership playing and not (just sitting) on the bench will only sell tickets not win a CHAMPIONSHIP !

LOL players love playing at MSG. they just don't relish the thought of playing for a lowlife like dolan. the present version of MSG has been around since 1968. you make it sound like the new york crowd is so intimidating. it's electric when there's a good game going on but it's not intimidating. lebron wanted to win a title. he colluded to end up where he is-- we never had a chance to get him because he wanted to win.

knick fans collective basketball IQ has gone down over the years, way down. nothing intimidating about dumb fans at an arena except irrational hatred and violence. just take a look at those two ****heads in that miami photo and video flipping off taj gibson and higfh fiving.

nba is not the wwf!

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:Golden State should be up 2 games but they got 1 of them....

Young Team On The Rise.....Building Your Team Through the Lottery has it's benefits and if done right it doesn't take took long.

What about Cleveland? All they got was Kyrie Irving. Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters have been meh......

I think the key is that you build your core around those guys and then you add free agents.. but you are only as good as your foundation... I take the yankees for example.. they have won 5 rings and numerous division titles, many free agents have come and gone, but the constant has been jeter, rivera, petite...... look at the spurs, manu, duncan, parker.... that just seems to be a recipe for sucess, now there are exceptions to the rule, but honestly I don't understand the contempt for doing things in a way that has worked over and over again, more so than not.... this is not to say other ways can't work, but it tends to be the exception, not the rule...

No one is saying building through the draft is bad. Small markets have to build through the draft. Big markets can entice free agents. Knicks have been "building" through the draft for over a decade. The reality is unless your tanking yearly or lucky you are going to have a hard time building through the draft.

Sacrmento has/had Tyreke Evans, Demarcus Cousins, Fredette, Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, etc.

Minnesota has/had Kevin Love, Ricky Rubio, Derrick Williams, Wesley Johnson, Johnny Flynn, Ty Lawson, Corey Brewer, Brandon Roy

The list goes on and on.

the knicks haven't been building through the draft for decades, proof is the knicks have never extended any of their first round picks and KEPT them in almost 20 years, I think that is the case..
we haven't... building through the draft affords you several luxuries.... if it doesn't work, it allows you to reset or change course quickly.... which is why teams like Houston were able to take advantage and strike quickly, now they are set for years to come, the same can be said for Denver, GS and heck the wolves, the verdict is still out, but I sure would like to see them healthy.. when they were for a stretch they looked like a playoff team..

Again, if you are happy with the way the knicks are doing things.. Fine... but the contempt for building a team in a way that has worked, over and over again in pro sports, especially the NBA is just mind boggling.. again, no one said it was a surefire way, but jeez history shows it is a way that has benefited teams, over, and over, and over again.....

What young players can play and compete and be successful while wearing the Knicks Uniform in NYC at MSG in the PLAYOFFS with the organ going(dun dun) and the crowd yelling DEFENSE from the beginning to the end of games???

You have to have older veterans playing in those games for the knicks, cause even some vets + young pups although talented can't handle the pressure presented there. The mood & atmosphere at the garden during the playoffs, is surreal everybody can't produce there and if they do they are very special people.

Now guys on the opposing teams can play well, but when they put on a knicks uni they get a lil tight.

Last time the Knicks won a Championship the players ages were:

Frazier 27 yrs old
Bill Bradley 29 yrs old
D. Debusschere32 yrs old
Earl Monroe 28 yrs old
Willis Reed 32 yrs old
Jerry Lucas 32 yrs old
Phil Jackson 27 yrs old
Dean Meminger 24 yrs Old
Dick Barnett 36 yrs old

Young guys can't handle it at MSG, the pressure to succeed is too difficult.

So save all that young talent crap, because when the playoffs come nobody wants to shoot, everybody wants to get an assist.

It's one reason why Lebron didn't come an many others in their prime won't, expectations are so high (43 yrs no Title). So the argument of getting young talent with no veteran leadership playing and not (just sitting) on the bench will only sell tickets not win a CHAMPIONSHIP !

LOL players love playing at MSG. they just don't relish the thought of playing for a lowlife like dolan. the present version of MSG has been around since 1968. you make it sound like the new york crowd is so intimidating. it's electric when there's a good game going on but it's not intimidating. lebron wanted to win a title. he colluded to end up where he is-- we never had a chance to get him because he wanted to win.

knick fans collective basketball IQ has gone down over the years, way down. nothing intimidating about dumb fans at an arena except irrational hatred and violence. just take a look at those two ****heads in that miami photo and video flipping off taj gibson and higfh fiving.

nba is not the wwf!

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:Golden State should be up 2 games but they got 1 of them....

Young Team On The Rise.....Building Your Team Through the Lottery has it's benefits and if done right it doesn't take took long.

What about Cleveland? All they got was Kyrie Irving. Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters have been meh......

I think the key is that you build your core around those guys and then you add free agents.. but you are only as good as your foundation... I take the yankees for example.. they have won 5 rings and numerous division titles, many free agents have come and gone, but the constant has been jeter, rivera, petite...... look at the spurs, manu, duncan, parker.... that just seems to be a recipe for sucess, now there are exceptions to the rule, but honestly I don't understand the contempt for doing things in a way that has worked over and over again, more so than not.... this is not to say other ways can't work, but it tends to be the exception, not the rule...

No one is saying building through the draft is bad. Small markets have to build through the draft. Big markets can entice free agents. Knicks have been "building" through the draft for over a decade. The reality is unless your tanking yearly or lucky you are going to have a hard time building through the draft.

Sacrmento has/had Tyreke Evans, Demarcus Cousins, Fredette, Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, etc.

Minnesota has/had Kevin Love, Ricky Rubio, Derrick Williams, Wesley Johnson, Johnny Flynn, Ty Lawson, Corey Brewer, Brandon Roy

The list goes on and on.

the knicks haven't been building through the draft for decades, proof is the knicks have never extended any of their first round picks and KEPT them in almost 20 years, I think that is the case..
we haven't... building through the draft affords you several luxuries.... if it doesn't work, it allows you to reset or change course quickly.... which is why teams like Houston were able to take advantage and strike quickly, now they are set for years to come, the same can be said for Denver, GS and heck the wolves, the verdict is still out, but I sure would like to see them healthy.. when they were for a stretch they looked like a playoff team..

Again, if you are happy with the way the knicks are doing things.. Fine... but the contempt for building a team in a way that has worked, over and over again in pro sports, especially the NBA is just mind boggling.. again, no one said it was a surefire way, but jeez history shows it is a way that has benefited teams, over, and over, and over again.....

What young players can play and compete and be successful while wearing the Knicks Uniform in NYC at MSG in the PLAYOFFS with the organ going(dun dun) and the crowd yelling DEFENSE from the beginning to the end of games???

You have to have older veterans playing in those games for the knicks, cause even some vets + young pups although talented can't handle the pressure presented there. The mood & atmosphere at the garden during the playoffs, is surreal everybody can't produce there and if they do they are very special people.

Now guys on the opposing teams can play well, but when they put on a knicks uni they get a lil tight.

Last time the Knicks won a Championship the players ages were:

Frazier 27 yrs old
Bill Bradley 29 yrs old
D. Debusschere32 yrs old
Earl Monroe 28 yrs old
Willis Reed 32 yrs old
Jerry Lucas 32 yrs old
Phil Jackson 27 yrs old
Dean Meminger 24 yrs Old
Dick Barnett 36 yrs old

Young guys can't handle it at MSG, the pressure to succeed is too difficult.

So save all that young talent crap, because when the playoffs come nobody wants to shoot, everybody wants to get an assist.

It's one reason why Lebron didn't come an many others in their prime won't, expectations are so high (43 yrs no Title). So the argument of getting young talent with no veteran leadership playing and not (just sitting) on the bench will only sell tickets not win a CHAMPIONSHIP !

LOL players love playing at MSG. they just don't relish the thought of playing for a lowlife like dolan. the present version of MSG has been around since 1968. you make it sound like the new york crowd is so intimidating. it's electric when there's a good game going on but it's not intimidating. lebron wanted to win a title. he colluded to end up where he is-- we never had a chance to get him because he wanted to win.

knick fans collective basketball IQ has gone down over the years, way down. nothing intimidating about dumb fans at an arena except irrational hatred and violence. just take a look at those two ****heads in that miami photo and video flipping off taj gibson and higfh fiving.

nba is not the wwf!

Those fans that you speak of were Miami fans not Knick fans. I don't know a Miami fan over twelve. Miami has a lot of transplants. The women that flipped off Noah has a pretty colorful past and is far from your average fan. Also, I have never heard a player say that they didn't want to play for Dolan. Guys used to say they wanted to play for the Knicks but the Knicks never had the cap space or assets to bring them in. I remember during the summer of 2010 some 'experts' speculated that LBJ wouldn't sign in NY because he knew how important defense was. Also, the Knicks might have missed on Nash because D'Antoni resigned but I don't even think that was ever confirmed or said.

come on man what makes knick fans so special? thanks to stern the nba has become an entertainment business and has turned a beautiful game into a crass spectacle. it's more wwf than ever, with heroes and villains. most people go to the garden to be entertained. they aren't going to enjoy a basketball game.

First they schedule a sat eve game at 8pm, "super prime time" behind a west coast game (which hardly ever happens)

ESPN does a 30 for 30 documentry "Reggie Vs The knicks just now

Then as as that went off NBATV shows 94 Knicks Vs Pacer game 5

I just know The League wants a Heat/Knicks ECF, and a GSW/Thunder WCF.. ratings through the roof..
I dont think too much ppl will would watch a griz/spurs, heat/indi, or any of those boring teams

Dolan boy..smh..he knew exactly why MELO was a must $$$$$$$ BLUE CHIP STOCK BUDDY BOY!!

I'm just glad to be still watching my team play while the sun is still up, warm weather, chillin on the patio drinking, smoking, grilling..

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:Golden State should be up 2 games but they got 1 of them....

Young Team On The Rise.....Building Your Team Through the Lottery has it's benefits and if done right it doesn't take took long.

What about Cleveland? All they got was Kyrie Irving. Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters have been meh......

I think the key is that you build your core around those guys and then you add free agents.. but you are only as good as your foundation... I take the yankees for example.. they have won 5 rings and numerous division titles, many free agents have come and gone, but the constant has been jeter, rivera, petite...... look at the spurs, manu, duncan, parker.... that just seems to be a recipe for sucess, now there are exceptions to the rule, but honestly I don't understand the contempt for doing things in a way that has worked over and over again, more so than not.... this is not to say other ways can't work, but it tends to be the exception, not the rule...

Doesn't every team try to build through the draft? Everyone always points to the Spurs and OKC as having the blue print but then again we're talking about 2 teams in the entire league. The bottom line is that you have to get lucky to obtain the "franchise" player to build around in the 1st place. It's always been a mixture of drafting, trades and free agency. If it were so easy to say "This is the right way to build" everyone would be doing it.

NBA CHAMPIONS SINCE 1989
Pistons
Pistons
Bulls
Bulls
Bulls
Rockets
Rockets
Bulls
Bulls
Bulls
Spurs
Lakers
Lakers
Lakers
Spurs
Pistons
Spurs
Heat
Spurs
Celtics
Lakers
Lakers
Mavericks
Heat

That's 24 years of NBA Champions but only 8 teams.

again, you missed my points.. teams that tend to win, have their foundation, their core guys through the draft..

That's 24 years of NBA Champions but only 8 teams.

exactly and every last one of those teams drafted their star or core players... lakers signed shaq, but they had kobe... same with celts, they traded for garnett and Allen( draft picks and assets were traded) but pierce was also finals MVP..

Detroit.... Isiah and Dumars

spurs: Duncan

heat: Wade

bulls: MJ

rockets: Hakeem

Mavs: dirk

As you can see they didn't trade all of their young talent and assets to get these guys.. not at all.. doesn't that tell you something?

now these teams have added free agents but again, the core of their team came through draft, or draft day trades... History doesn't show at all you can trade your way to a championship, especially if no foundation whatsoever exists previously...

which is why you seem to get the old and tired defense that.. He doesn't have anyone to play with? really, well then why force a trade? sign as a free agent.. no matter how you look at things, it becomes hard to defend...

Yeah it tells me that you have to be fortunate enought to land a future hall of famer in the draft. We had it with Ewing but for whatever reason couldn't get him a "robin" until his best days were behind him. We haven't come close to drafting a "franchise player" after Ewing. Then again how many have?

Heck, let's go all the way back to the 1990 NBA draft and look at the HOF players that were drafted that a team could build around as in the MJ's, Bird's, Magic of the world.

1990 - Gary Payton
1991 - None
1992 - SHAQ & Alonzo Mourning
1993 - Chris Webber
1994 - Kidd, Grant Hill
1995 - Kevin Garnett
1996 - Iverson, Ray Allen, Kobe, Nash
1997 - Tim Duncan
1998 - Paul Pierce, Dirk
1999 - None
2000 - None
2001 - Tony Parker (Drafted #28)
2002 - Yao Ming, Amare
2003 - Lebron, Wade, Melo, Bosh
2004 - Dwight Howard
2005 - Chris Paul, Deron Williams?
2006 - Brandon Roy, Rajon Rondo
2007 - Kevin Durant
2008 - Rose, Westbrook, Love
2009 - Griffin, Harden, Steph Curry,
2010 - None
2011 - Kyrie Irving
2012 - Damian Lillard

I have a list of 34 players apanning 23 years. Of couse I have the ability to go back in time and look at lists of hundreds of players. Should you do the same you will come acorss drafts and say to yourself "Who the heck was this guy?"

What seems to be a constant is starting with a HOF player and adding other HOF players to that team. Grant Hill was amazing before his injuries and would have gone down as one of the best to ever play. Roy was on his way until his injury, YAO with his foot problems, etc. Taking it a step further, over the course of the last 23 years how many of the above players have had a HOF career and have won the hardware as the undusputed MAN for the team that drafted him?

Kobe
Duncan
Dirk

So what exactly is the blue print that continues to work time after time?

Again, the book is still open on half of these guys.. I stated not everyone will win a ring, but sustained winning and excellence means a lot.. don't you think? You are asking for a blueprint... I am telling you what has worked over the years.... don't you agree that when you drive your car, obeying speed limits, stopping at red lights and not texting while driving usually results in a safe driving experience? it doesn't mean some jerk off may run a red light or drive drunk or maybe even posting on the UK forum while driving and crashes into you? does that mean you should stop driving responsibly? NO!! but more times than not, a certain behavior will lead to good results..

The same applies here.. build through the draft, make smart trades, make good signings, ususally that leads to tangible results..

And no, you never know who is going to be a HOF player...so to say starting with a HOF player and adding other HOF players is the recipe then I dissagree... Dirk didn't have a HOF player with him, it it certainly wasn't clear that dirk was a HOF player, otherwise the bucks don't make the Draft day trade with the maverics, which sent dirk out west for Robert Traylor.. You consider billups and Rip Hamilton HOF players?

Not every draft is perfect, but I rather have that chance to determine my future and the point is, the point being made is, you either build with your picks, or if you trade assets better make sure you are making the right trade.... that is the point.. so to make it seem as if all of this is just pot luck is far from the truth.... and the teams that tend to do well, don't squander assets.. now if you think the knicks did the right thing.. well then great.. Long term, heck even short term I don't agree. I think we set ourselves back. only time will tell, but again, it is mind boggling how anyone can have such contempt for buidling through the draft, be it by daft day trades, or developing your own players...

23 years how many of the above players have had a HOF career and have won the hardware as the undusputed MAN for the team that drafted him?

funny you ask that, and then add "undisputed" lol... Ok.. pierce, duncan, dirk, wade, oh and add kobe, a host of them have been to the finals or ECF a few times... not bad at all.. not bad....

And honestly why limit to the team that drafted them. I have no problem trading for the right player.. I just don't think we did... plain and simple.. but here is the key, how many of those player won rings or been to finals on teams they didn't start with, but joined great players that were already drafted by the team they joined.. the fact still remains... build through the draft..

Garnett and Allen joined a great player in pierce, who was drafted by boston.. and won..

lebron an elite of the elite players joined wade who was drafted by the heat(and he previously won) and got a ring.

gary payton and alonzo joined the heat and wade and won

again, no matter how you chop it up, it comes back to that draft.. funny how that happens...

the rest of the players still have a lot of their careers left... not sure why you posted them..

Of course we didn't know that Dirk was going to be a hall of famer but that's what makes building a team through the draft so dificult. Dirk didn't have a hall of fame player with him? Yeah he did....Jason Kidd.

Build through the draft? The majority of players come into the league via the draft. With the being the case one could argue that all teams build through the draft. Worked will for Cleveland losing Lebron to Miami. Worked well for Toronto losing Bosh to the Heat. Worked well for the Wolves having to trade Garnett to the Celtics. Worked well for the Magic trading SHAQ to the Lakers. Worked well for the Magic again trading Howard to the Lakers. The Hornets trading CP3, etc.

I'm not arguing with anything you've stated regarding making smart trades, drafting good players, etc. but at the end of the day it's not an easy thing to do. If it were there would be more than 8 teams over the last 24 years that would have won it all. 8 teams have gotten it right and 22 have gotten it wrong over the last 24 years.

Look at the pool of difference making players in the league....there aren't many. You may feel that we didn't make the right move but the jury is still out.

As much as putting together a championship team takes skill it also takes some luck. Derek Jeter should have been drafted by the Astros. He wasn't and the rest is history.

that is true, but have you seen this type of move ever work? and if not, don't you think it was a big risk forw what we gave up... and considering the age and history of the player acquired? honestly had this been wade or lebron, you wouldn't be getting much of an argument...

I can't say that I have. IMHO, The only type of move that comes somewhat close is the Barkey trade to Phoenix minus the draft picks and cash. Worked out well until Charles and company got MJ'd.

Do I think it's a big risk for what we gave up? NO. Not to rehash the trade but what the trade has turned out to be is Mozgov, Gallo, Chandler, Quincy Miller (Nuggets 2nd round pick - NBA D League) and next years pick (2014) which is going to be a late 1st rounder which is now owned by the Sixers as part of the Iggy deal.

Take a look at the difference makers in the NBA. We were presented with the opportuninty to obtain a 26 year old, all star, scoring machine who was/is one of the best players in the game and we bit. As far as hisory of the player aquired it's a matter of taste. Did we trade for a player who never missed the playoffs, did a ton of scoring and who was eliminated by superior teams out West more often than not or did we trade for a player with a terrible post season record, low shooting % in the playoffs, chucker?

Lebron....no argument there. Wade on the other hand? Add in Shaq, Payton, Alonzo and crappy calls and bam you have a NBA Champ. No doubt that Wade did his thing in the Finals but he had help, same as any other player. 2 Hall of Famers and ZO.

I beleive that we're headed to an ECF showdown with the Heat. I beleive that if we can can beat the Heat we will win a championship. To me the only question is can we beat the Heat or are we going to get blocked by the best player in the game in Lebron same as we were by MJ?

playa2 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:Golden State should be up 2 games but they got 1 of them....

Young Team On The Rise.....Building Your Team Through the Lottery has it's benefits and if done right it doesn't take took long.

What about Cleveland? All they got was Kyrie Irving. Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters have been meh......

I think the key is that you build your core around those guys and then you add free agents.. but you are only as good as your foundation... I take the yankees for example.. they have won 5 rings and numerous division titles, many free agents have come and gone, but the constant has been jeter, rivera, petite...... look at the spurs, manu, duncan, parker.... that just seems to be a recipe for sucess, now there are exceptions to the rule, but honestly I don't understand the contempt for doing things in a way that has worked over and over again, more so than not.... this is not to say other ways can't work, but it tends to be the exception, not the rule...

No one is saying building through the draft is bad. Small markets have to build through the draft. Big markets can entice free agents. Knicks have been "building" through the draft for over a decade. The reality is unless your tanking yearly or lucky you are going to have a hard time building through the draft.

Sacrmento has/had Tyreke Evans, Demarcus Cousins, Fredette, Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, etc.

Minnesota has/had Kevin Love, Ricky Rubio, Derrick Williams, Wesley Johnson, Johnny Flynn, Ty Lawson, Corey Brewer, Brandon Roy

The list goes on and on.

the knicks haven't been building through the draft for decades, proof is the knicks have never extended any of their first round picks and KEPT them in almost 20 years, I think that is the case..
we haven't... building through the draft affords you several luxuries.... if it doesn't work, it allows you to reset or change course quickly.... which is why teams like Houston were able to take advantage and strike quickly, now they are set for years to come, the same can be said for Denver, GS and heck the wolves, the verdict is still out, but I sure would like to see them healthy.. when they were for a stretch they looked like a playoff team..

Again, if you are happy with the way the knicks are doing things.. Fine... but the contempt for building a team in a way that has worked, over and over again in pro sports, especially the NBA is just mind boggling.. again, no one said it was a surefire way, but jeez history shows it is a way that has benefited teams, over, and over, and over again.....

What young players can play and compete and be successful while wearing the Knicks Uniform in NYC at MSG in the PLAYOFFS with the organ going(dun dun) and the crowd yelling DEFENSE from the beginning to the end of games???

You have to have older veterans playing in those games for the knicks, cause even some vets + young pups although talented can't handle the pressure presented there. The mood & atmosphere at the garden during the playoffs, is surreal everybody can't produce there and if they do they are very special people.

Now guys on the opposing teams can play well, but when they put on a knicks uni they get a lil tight.

Last time the Knicks won a Championship the players ages were:

Frazier 27 yrs old
Bill Bradley 29 yrs old
D. Debusschere32 yrs old
Earl Monroe 28 yrs old
Willis Reed 32 yrs old
Jerry Lucas 32 yrs old
Phil Jackson 27 yrs old
Dean Meminger 24 yrs Old
Dick Barnett 36 yrs old

Young guys can't handle it at MSG, the pressure to succeed is too difficult.

So save all that young talent crap, because when the playoffs come nobody wants to shoot, everybody wants to get an assist.

It's one reason why Lebron didn't come an many others in their prime won't, expectations are so high (43 yrs no Title). So the argument of getting young talent with no veteran leadership playing and not (just sitting) on the bench will only sell tickets not win a CHAMPIONSHIP !

LOL players love playing at MSG. they just don't relish the thought of playing for a lowlife like dolan. the present version of MSG has been around since 1968. you make it sound like the new york crowd is so intimidating. it's electric when there's a good game going on but it's not intimidating. lebron wanted to win a title. he colluded to end up where he is-- we never had a chance to get him because he wanted to win.

knick fans collective basketball IQ has gone down over the years, way down. nothing intimidating about dumb fans at an arena except irrational hatred and violence. just take a look at those two ****heads in that miami photo and video flipping off taj gibson and higfh fiving.

nba is not the wwf!

Players love playing at MSG but on the OPPOSING TEAM because #1 they can get a rep by playing and performing well there. #2 they know the real pressure is on the hometown team knowing if they take the night off , the fans will actually BOOO the home team if they don't play well.

The crowd is very intimidating, what crowd screams out that the REFS SUCK REPEATEDLY DURING THE COURSE OF A GAME ?

what does shouting "these refs suck" have to do with intimidating the home team? don't fans elsewhwere boo their home teams when the home teams play badly?

Nalod wrote:Miami fans are really annoying! The botox laden warn out blond cougars are a joke!

i just read up on her. gold-digging lowlife riffraff if ever there was! she was once suspected of murder too. sickening. this is a great example of how the nba has been dumbed-down to wwf levels. it's not about the sport anymore it's about white hats and black hats. here we are now entertain us

dk7th wrote:

Nalod wrote:Miami fans are really annoying! The botox laden warn out blond cougars are a joke!

i just read up on her. gold-digging lowlife riffraff if ever there was! she was once suspected of murder too. sickening. this is a great example of how the nba has been dumbed-down to wwf levels. it's not about the sport anymore it's about white hats and black hats. here we are now entertain us

I just watched that game (been away a few games)- it was disturbingly similar to our game 1 vs the Heat last year- absolute BS officiating, completely one sided allowing the Heat to go up almost 40. But like the Knicks, the Bulls weren't playing well enough to win anyways. But it leaves me wondering why the ref's call a game like that- is it deliberate or do they just get caught up in the homecourt excitement? I mean the Heat were up by over 30 and the ref's still kept up with the 'ignore EVERYTHING the Heat do and call EVERYTHING on chicago' policy.

Don't blame Noah and Taj for getting ejected after those awful calls.

dk7th wrote:

Nalod wrote:Miami fans are really annoying! The botox laden warn out blond cougars are a joke!

i just read up on her. gold-digging lowlife riffraff if ever there was! she was once suspected of murder too. sickening. this is a great example of how the nba has been dumbed-down to wwf levels. it's not about the sport anymore it's about white hats and black hats. here we are now entertain us

honestly, I would not have a problem if noah hauled off and broke here nose..

Hersports85 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Nalod wrote:Miami fans are really annoying! The botox laden warn out blond cougars are a joke!

i just read up on her. gold-digging lowlife riffraff if ever there was! she was once suspected of murder too. sickening. this is a great example of how the nba has been dumbed-down to wwf levels. it's not about the sport anymore it's about white hats and black hats. here we are now entertain us

Yeah, she was accused of drowning her husband.

Pulled this from the paper

"We're humiliated," Tobias' daughter, Victoria Racanati, told Jose Lambiet of Gossip Extra, whose column appears in The Miami Herald. Racanati spoke to Lambiet from the family's $4.4 million-home at The Bears Club in Jupiter.

But the question I have ... why is it possible for her to get so close to Noah face? Why the lack of security? and why are the ushers just standing there? Why is it not someone between the player and fan. Emotions are running high, liquor is involved along with emotions of the opposing opponent being ejected ... she had the opportunity to do something worse, should not be allowed.

Respect 2 Noah for keeping his composure.

Some arenas have chairs right next to the players bench seats, which would be closer and more expensive.